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Electric Fan 8-10hp Ram Air 15hp Headers 15hp Mass Air 8-10hp Ported, polished and milled heads 40-50hp(if they are as good as you say) Ported polished intakes 35hp Cam 15hp Off Road H-pip 15hp 347 stroker 50hp that would give you about 450 fwhp. But the big thing you are missing here, as ALL motor builters and performance guru's know, you can't just start adding hp numbers up...it doesn't work that way. If you have a 225 hp car and add exhaust, a fan, pullies, rockers, and synthetics, then you would have a 290 hp car, and that is not how it works. I mean if it was, my old car that had TFS ported heads, TFS Intake, TFS cam, exhaust, rockers, pullies, ram air, and a fan, plus others, then I had according to magazine claims, I had roughly 425 fwhp according to your rating method. The only way to really find out is to run it and look at your mph, or just dyno it, and end this arguement. ------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... [This message has been edited by SaleenGTS (edited 02-22-2001).] |
What do u mean run it and look at my mph.. I cant do that til the track opens and i cant do it out on the road we used to race on.. I got busted for 132mph in a 55mph zone and lost my license for 6months..And 6 months after that of work and school only driving..I am just about done with it all and am not getting that done again. I was racing: One Bad R/T
sheriff clocked me at 132 and him at 122..his *** got away..the cop knew where i lived..needless to say he has made a few visits to my house before. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Man you have to admit this messageboard is big! and still growing..
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When you run at the track, your mph will indicate what kind of hp you are making...a 3200 lb car with a 110 mph trap is making roughly 360-370 fwhp/310-320 rwhp(my old car)
------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... |
well the track doesnt open for a couple more months..how about a GTech..are those very accurate i will just buy on of those..does it determine all its values on the 1/4 mile if so it wont work cause i aint a runnin a 1/4mile anymore on public roads. I bet it would work though if i have one of my buddys go a couple miles down the road..One stay back where i started and one in the middle to be watchouts for cops then give it hell..my car before was very loud..thats how the cops said he caught us last time..we were stupid and started only 1/2 mile out of town..The cop said with my car and that other truck taking off like they did it was screaming in town..The truck is running dynomax mufflers w/free flowing cats..very good cat growling sound..just like the WS6..dream car..even though its not a ford..
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I think i will try that one then..so is the gtech any good?? i already got 4 motorola portable walky talky things...The cops had previously been to my house on reports by people saying that they saw me being a menace. Such as unsafe starts(spinning tires), reving my engine, stero, getting sideways. All just fun stuff.
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i saw a 302 running 11.88 114 mph. I think
you could save your money instead of buying an expensive stroked motor. his mod: TFS head milled 10:1 compression edel. perf rpm intake cam: 510 exhaust , 500 intake edel 70 mm tb and spacer pro-m 77mm +k & n ram air using fog light opening elect fan performance pulley all msd stuff 3 inch pipe and muffler #30 inj. 255lph intank pump 3.73 gear 1.6 RR light weight wheels slick svo rpm extender i certainly forgot something... +bring the car under 3200 pounds with driver i know that the little 302 is pushed at his limit but that is the price to pay. SC |
Last night I purchased the F303 cam from summit. I am in the process of ording a set of Weld draglight wheels and slicks. I will NEVER go with aluminum heads ever. A buddy of mine had a big block cuda w/900hp+ on the juice. Every 4 times down the track replacing head gasket because they just dont seal as good as cast on cast. So I will always find cast heads and fully port then.
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I have friends running 18+ pounds of boost with graphite head gaskets on Aluminum heads, no O-rings and they have been fine for years. It's all in the tune...I strongly disagree that Alum. heads have sealing problems.
------------------ My Ride Check Out My Site 91GT, Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60",Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes, 2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe, 2 1/2" cat back, 12" K&N Filter, RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air, Ron Davis Radiator, Full Suspension,3:73's, Welds, Best on new motor-12.60 @ 108, no traction 1.98 |
It might have been something with his big block then. But I am just never goin to buy aluminum unless I come across an excellent deal. I am always watching....I am removing my gt40 intakes..i got my stock extrude honed. i dont know how those will work i have never had it done. So are you people trying to tell me i cannot get my car into the high 12's??
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
hey all you gearheads..stop crying about how much power its ganna take and start thinking about getting the power to the ground..get shocks, struts, 4 banger springs, and a trip to Jenny Craig and some control arms and slicks then get heads, intake and all the other crap..yea 350hp is pretty cool when your spinning 4th gear
------------------ 1987 black notch(ex 4 banger) DSS 306 w/ main support...Elderbrock 6028 heads..gt-40 intake..24# injectors...70 mm tb..77 pro-m...accel 300+..mac full legnth..tremec w/ pro5oh...full MAC exhaust,off road h-pipe,long tubes, catback...ron davis radiator..subframes, control arms...CFDF II..o yea holley FPR sucks..dont buy one.. |
hey all you gearheads..stop crying about how much power its ganna take and start thinking about getting the power to the ground..get shocks, struts, 4 banger springs, and a trip to Jenny Craig and some control arms and slicks then get heads, intake and all the other crap..yea 350hp is pretty cool when your spinning 4th gear
------------------ 1987 black notch(ex 4 banger) DSS 306 w/ main support...Elderbrock 6028 heads..gt-40 intake..24# injectors...70 mm tb..77 pro-m...accel 300+..mac full legnth..tremec w/ pro5oh...full MAC exhaust,off road h-pipe,long tubes, catback...ron davis radiator..subframes, control arms...CFDF II..o yea holley FPR sucks..dont buy one.. |
I really dont want to lower my car. Wont some traction bars help me keep my back end to the ground and not spinning??
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smokedawg, look back up to the front of the room, your teacher is talking to you.
your really lost and prolly have no idea what it takes to run an 11, what this poor guys post was about before you ruined it. BELEIVE ME, others feel the same way and just dont want a confrontation. please dont click in arguing as soon as another reply comes in. start new posts on your own personal ?'s if it is a subject not related. you've OBVIOUSLY never been to the track before so I'm sure you first trip will be a struggle for 13's on street tires, I could see you cutting a 15 on your first run, smoking the tires in every gear just please don't pass info if you don't know yourself, and express your facts in oppinions this will be sealed and it is obvious why |
oh wait, I just realized, this post is- "Smokedawgs fish stories and guru tech, r something"
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i don't get how he could even get into the 12's unless he ditches his "cobra" computer. those computers pull timing and are actually programed for 24# injectors.... how are you running 30#ers?
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In my opinion the stock manifold even Extrude Honed is never going to pass enough air to let that 347 breath, you need a Holley or TFS intake, or a Edelbrock RPM. If you do not give the motor all the air and fuel it is made to handke then it will never make the power it is capable of.
As for suspension there is no miraclr cure for traction no matter what parts you have. I have full suspension, 70/30, 50/50, Eibach drag launch kit, SSM lowers, boxed uppers, sub frames, no front sway, I ran 26 x 10.5" M&H RACEMASTER DOTS, and yet I still can't hook on my new combo. the best 60ft I have been able to muster out was a 1.98, most are in the 2.4 range and it still goes 12's. On a basic stock motor, stock heads,cam,intake with the same suspension set-up I pulled low 1.6 consistantly. My new motor and cam combo doesn't com on till 3500 so I have to come off the line hard to take full advantage of my power anything over 2500rpms resulted in masive Wheel spin, I even spun them in third gear! (I have never done that on a pair of sticky tires) I have been using these tires for a while so I no how hot to get them on so forth but the motor is a whole new ball game. So as mentioned if you can't get the power to the ground then all the power is a waste. Your car should be 12 second capable but a lot resides in the driver. I have driven my friends car to a 12.89 his best is 13.32, go figure? ------------------ My Ride Check Out My Site 91GT, Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60",Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes, 2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe, 2 1/2" cat back, 12" K&N Filter, RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air, Ron Davis Radiator, Full Suspension,3:73's, Welds, Best on new motor-12.60 @ 108, no traction 1.98 |
yeah, I run ET streets and it spins on the street
best thing for the track is some ET DRAGS yeah, I'd prolly skip over the GT40 stuff too, though it can work great, just not outta the box. I'd prolly aim at tfs, afr, or canfield as a foundation |
Well, if cobras are so junky then what kind should i use. My stock one?? How much is a better computer?? Brand?? Are there any chips that will fix the cobra thats cheaper than buying a new computer. I am running 30's with the cobra.. But i only got a 190fuel pump. it seems pretty well.. This car hasnt been finished now for about 2 weeks. So i am just getting to put on the fuel regulator. My motor seems to be breathing perfect.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Dump the Cobra computer right away. POS is the only way to describe it. I've seen guys pick up two tenths on back-to-back runs by swapping it out with an A9L. It takes 7 seconds under load for the Cobra to go into open-loop mode. That's halfway down the track! The A9L is the most aggressive in terms of the tables.
There's no problem running the Cobra or any computer with 30# injectors if his MAS is cal'd for 30's. The stock A9L computer has 19# on the main variable table, but the computer doesn't actually use it for anything. The important part is to make sure your injectors and MAS match. Smokedawg: Your cam is sorely mismatched with the rest of your combination. Dyno the car with that B cam, then put in a real cam and be amazed with the extra power! Those extra cubes need to breathe. I'd be looking for something in the 250 degree duration range with .540" lift or more. The car should easily get to the low 12's just on the cubes alone. You may have to fight to reach the elevens. Tuning, tuning, tuning. ------------------ Jeff Chambers Trophy Stock #3 11.97 Seconds / 114.5 MPH Chambers Racing Team |
Just a note here smokedawg. Look what everyone else is saying now. Now look back at what I told you all along, when you completely cussed me out, and said I had no clue what I was talking about.
Why are you listening now? Were you just to subborn to listen to me? Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and a whole lot more. 13.2@106mph -Shooting for 12's and a 351 slowly in the works! Stock-94 Integra 15.48@91mph |
hey sky, don't worry about smoke dawg i have a feeling he is talking out of his bum...either that or he is talking about a combo that he dreamed up. most guys that say "gt-40 this and cobra that" usually are just trolls trying to prove they know more than you. 12.5:1 compression.... with steel heads?... what kind of cooling system do you have smokedawg??? that car must run hot. is it a gt-40 radiator? do you have the upgraded cobra waterpump... every mustang owner knows your car won't cool right without a cobra waterpump!
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I am just running 1 18" black magic electric fan. Its not cooling my motor at all. I am going to switch to another cooling setup. I will post a pic of my motor tomorrow.
My mass air is calibrated for 30lbers. Skyman-the reason I jumped at your and i never cussed you out man. is because you have no idea how much people can get stuff for so when u try to tell me that there isnt anyway i got that combo for that certain amount. It really ticked me off. Actually you can go to my webpage and look at all my parts on my way putting my motor together. http://php.iupui.edu/~drramsey Thanks alot ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
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Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406-TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and more. -Videos (MPEG)- 0-110MPH In car view (963k) All Throttle through 3 gears! (497k) Tire Smoking Burnout! (218k) |
Sky SWEET videos man, I hope to get tome soon like that :-D
------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... |
I really like to stay quiet on these boards and just to monitor them. But after seeing this thread I had to say something. Smoke, you are getting way out of line. I will take skyler's advice any day of the week over yours. I have been watching his posts a lot longer then you have been spamming this newsgroup and you are getting way to defensive about this $3 purchase. It's like all those liars I know they get too defensive about stuff and that's how you know they lie. Not to say that you are lying but take it easy *huh*. What are you trying to prove here?
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That i got this setup for around 3000...
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You people really helped out this guy who posted. I saw two pages and figured a great bunch of combos would be listed here for the benefit of everyone - yet only 3 were listed of the gazillion posts. How informative.
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My turn http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif You all know I have been here quite some time. I have been questioned about my time slips and just what my car can do. What I would like to know is this. How much power do I have at the flywheel? I showed a best of 339RWHP. This is with a very simple combo. 65mm TB, B-303,cobra, (bottom ported by me), Edelbrocs (decked.020), 1 5/8 long tubes, race pully, 1.6RRs, tremac, 4.30s, and old hard MTs 26 x 10s. Launch at 3500rpms, shift at 6000. This yielded a 12.17 @112, 1.72 60ft, fronts off the ground. And with a speed density computer. I also hit the 100hp NOS and missed fifth gear after spinning and letting off out the hole. This yielded an 11.72 @ 116 with a 1.87 60ft. This was all done on a stock bottom end with 90,000 miles on it. So here is an 11 sec combo like the man asked for, But what would my HP at the flywheel have been? Thanks Jason
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I hate to be the devils advocate here, but Smoke stopped being an "a$$hole" a long time ago! He may have jumped the gun a little bit in the beginning, and didn't tell us everything about his "connections", but he's since stopped doing that. He IS asking questions, so just lay off already! After all, even in the beginning he was trying to offer help, he'd still even now offer help after he's been quadruple teamed! I'm sure nobody expects him to apologize, and he shouldn't have too! Even Sky said it's good to have an argument, but stop telling him that he "has no idea what he's talking about", and he's "talking out of his a$$"... At least he don't own a z28... http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif
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------------------ My Ride Check Out My Site 91GT, Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60",Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes, 2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe, 2 1/2" cat back, 12" K&N Filter, RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air, Ron Davis Radiator, Full Suspension,3:73's, Welds, Best on new motor-12.60 @ 108, no traction 1.98 |
Hey again..Does anyone have any input on the GTech???
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
I have a gtech... Its quite accurate, about 4mph fast though. Definatly worth getting.
88workhorse, I think your car is a freak http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif Lucky to have it though. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406-TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and more. -Videos (MPEG)- 0-110MPH In car view (963k) All Throttle through 3 gears! (497k) Tire Smoking Burnout! (218k) |
It is very simple get your subframes and H-pipe installed then:
1.Headers 2.Intake 3.Vortech S-Trim with 12# or so OR Turbo system Then be done with it! I am sure that will get you 11's with slicks (or very close). Plus if you don't run it like a raped ape then you will retain near-stock gas mileage. A bigger motor has more potential but is alot more expensive on gas.IMO Good Luck ------------------ C ME FLY 88 coupe = MAC headers, H-pipe, and Chrome 2.5" pipes, pullies, K&N filter, BM shifter, 17" ROH ZR6, Dropped 1.5". |
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