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How to be 11sec fast?
Look, some arrogant a$$ ls1 and other drivers around here that need to be beat, what could i do to run 11.9-12.0 with just motor? 331...351..? aluminum heads? anyone know any tried and true combos? and ran on e/t streets? i know a SC would be great too, but any ideas? sorry about another topic like this again, but i have nowhere to turn.
How many thousands$ will it take? ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 97.80 Best 60': 2.0047 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
I'm sure you no what it takes, but you are wishing for someone to give you a magical combo that only cost $19.95
If you want to stay NA you will need- intake,heads,full exhaust, fuel upgrades, and a good cam to complament all of the choices you will make. Pluss, you will need to ditch the 3.27's and get some 4.10's Lot's of people have done it with the stock bottom end, but a stroker with the parts listed above will put you where you want to be for sure. I am taking a guss off the top of my head, but I think you will need atleast 4000.00 ------------------ Blown 347 W/Canfield heads, solid roller cam, track times this spring mid 10's or bust 93lx 5.0 daily driver |
Now that I think of it, you should post this in the drag racing forum. Jeff Chambers is in the high 11's on his trophy stock car. He would know what it takes and how much cash.
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I just finished all my modifications as you can read in my signature line. The final cost for the project is approx $3000. Thats really not to bad. I mean this car was completly stock except for gears, flowmaster and cobra transmission when I started so ALL other mods listed only costed $3000.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 02-13-2001).] |
3.27's?????????? Must be an AOD car.
Better add about $2500 to whatever figure you come up with. AOD car to go 11's....I'd say $5k-$6k ------------------ 4.10's,long tubes & 75 shot...Goes 12.50's Check it out at http://www.burnouts.webprovider.com |
Depends on if you want to stay NA or if you want a power adder. You have to drop 2 full seconds to get there.
------------------ 89GT,T-5Z, D.S.S. 306 shortblock w\main support, B-303 cam, Cobra intake, GT40P heads, 1.72rr, MAC "P" headers, MAC off-road H-Pipe, MAC true-fit w\tips, 373's...and the list goes on! Throttle Junkie Powered by Ford! 12.824 @ 107.05 MPH PVT Blankenship leaving for BCT 14MAR01 MOS 67 Romeo |
Hey whats up man!
Got some LS1s to beat? Just call me http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif (kidding-flame suite on) With your car, and millage, I will say just start afresh. A 331 stroker kit (with your stockblock), TFS heads 300cfm-int/230cfm-exh) @500 lift, Victor jnr intake, 75mm TB, 80mm mass-air, custom cam (call Houston performance or Ed Curtis of FTI fame), 1 3/4 longtube headers. With that setup u will be running mid to low, low 11s with some sticky tires. Trapping @ 116mph-120mph (depending on weight of car. U might have to shift @6200-6500RPM though. But a 28ounce balanced crank will take that without a problem. Hey guess what? 2 weeks after I went to the track and posted these # (in sig), My cats would not let my car run (been running too rich). I gutted them ut and the car is a new monster. Haven't been to the track since (busy with school) but hopefully will visit soon. ------------------ TFS heads, Holley intake, AFM B-2 cam, 77mm MAF, 65mmTB, Bassani X-pipe with cats and Autologic custom chip. NOS dry kit, 80hp shot just installed. Black SN95 13.8 @105mph NA 13.2 @112mph 80hp NOS Wet track, running on NOS setting on NA runs (pig rich and 8 deg timing) |
Im sorry, but there is on way you got a 347 with those heads and the transmission put together for only $3000.
I agree, I think you will know what it takes to hit 11's. I would not go with a 331 or 347 stroker. Thats maybe another 40-50hp at best, and its going to cost a lot more. Your either going to need a lighter car with a high compression 306 with a high revving cam and heads, and deep gears with suspension work, or a power adder. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, Edelbrock intake, E-303, 3.73's, 1 5/8 shortys, Offroad-H, 2chamber flows, 36psi FPR, 15degrees timing, 70mm tb, 73mm maf, 24lb inj, Crank pulley, MSD6A, Alum driveshaft, ripper shifter, and turndowns. 13.2@106mph Daily Driver STOCK-1994 Integra LS 15.48@91mph |
Skyman..I just finished my mods so I dont think you have the right to tell ME that it didnt cost me that much. I can list you the price of every item if you like. And if you would have read farther into my listing you would have read that I already had the cobra transmission. Also I didnt have to pay for installation or have to pay to have it put together because my dad owns his own machine shop.
Thanks alot. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 02-14-2001).] |
suspenion tires and a good breathing 302..im hoping to hit the 11.99 mark with my current mods after i tune it..
------------------ 1987 black notch(ex 4 banger) DSS 306 w/ main support...Elderbrock 6028 heads..gt-40 intake..24# injectors...70 mm tb..77 pro-m...accel 300+..mac full legnth..tremec w/ pro5oh...full MAC exhaust,off road h-pipe,long tubes, catback...ron davis radiator..subframes, control arms...CFDF II..o yea holley FPR sucks..dont buy one.. |
A 347 adds more than 40 to 50 horse skyman. I seriously think you have no idea what you are talking about. A 347 will give you 375HP. Proven Fact. With my setup I am pushing over 440HP.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Smokedawg, based on the information in your signature, I'd say a 302 would be making at least 350hp, if you are making 440hp, that'd be a 90hp advantage. The 331 or course wouldn't make much more than 50hp more N/A over the 302 if the 347 is only giving you 90hp. I'm sure what Skyman is saying is that the 331-347 will only give 50hp over a 302 in a light modded equal configuration. IE: GT-40 302 vs GT-40 347. Course, I don't pay any attention to strokers, I can't afford them, http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/frown.gif I wouldn't be likely to buy one based on reliability issues. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...ard/tongue.gif So I'm certainly no master on that subject.
I do know the more mods you make, the more the 347 is going to benefit over the 302, but it will never be as reliable as the 302, and you shouldn't add forced induction to a 347. The 331 and lower strokers can be put on the squeeze though. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/cool.gif As far as your combo costing $3k, I have no idea, if the heads are irons for sure, if they are aluminum it's harder to compute, obviously with new units most people would be riding over the 3k pretty decent, but whatever. You're right about Sky missing the fact that your tranny was a freebie though, oh well, everybody makes an error sometimes. Gasp, shock, horror, even the almighty Unit 5302. No, no, don't try and stop me, I can admit it, even I can sometimes, rarely, possibly make an error. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif I'll have to say Skyman has been researching combos for a good minute and he's been a very productive member of this board, to have him flamed by a new member is kinda hard to ignore. |
Hey...you can just spend ONLY $19.95. Just go buy some Giant sticker, and japanese writing...then get some clear lights and neons underneath....that is good for atleast 11.50's.
Really though, I'd get a good stroker(coast has a good kit)heads that flow 270+ int, .550-.560 cam, good intake(Holley,Saleen/Vortech,TFS TH...) and long tubes, with the other givens...with 10.5-11.0 comp you should have 375-390 rwhp...I've seen it done mesef http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif SMOKEDOG- like unit said, don't start that here and with our bud Sky. He DOES know what he is talking about, and is in-fact correct. a 347 vs.302 will net you about a 40-50 hp gain with everything that was in the 302 swapped over to the 347....what do you actually think that by just installing a 347 you will magically have a 11 sec car?? hell no. My bud has a 300 rwhp 347, so there is proof there. And he is right on another issue. Cost of getting a stroker to run good times....I'll list it for ya so there isn't any arguement. I'll even list the cheapest prices I have seen. 347: $1500 from Summit HEADS: $950(TFS from Saleen) INTAKE: $400(TFS or Cobra) CAM: $150(TFS from Summit) RR's: $200 TB: $200 MAF: $200 HEADERS: $200(shorties) H-PIPE: $150(MAC) CAT-BACK:$180(Dynomax) GEARS: $300 installed I'm sure I forgot some stuff, but that alone is $4,400, and that doesn't include shipping or having the motor built. So Sky was very much right http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif ------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... [This message has been edited by SaleenGTS (edited 02-19-2001).] |
How experienced are you people with building mustang motors. I have rebuilt nearly 25 302 mustangs. Now if your friend has a 302 and made it a 347 and he is getting 300hp then that is a giant jump, because they only have 225hp. Now I am not for sure but if my math is correct thats 75 HP. Like I said My father and I own and work in our own shop so we get all parts free shipping and no labor for motor build. We ported and polished my heads. Ported and polished upper and lower intake. They port job on the head is worth 500. and 150. for the intakes. So Like I said I only have cost in new parts estimating around 3000.
Ross Racing Forged Pistons 500 Eagle Forged 5.400 Rods 320 Motor Bored 100 Melling High Vol Oil Pump 30 Rings 30 Barrings 30 Fel-Pro Gasket Rebuild Kit 90 B303 Cam 160 Heads and Intakes 350 BBK Headers 160 Off Road H-Pipe 130 Cobra Computer Stole It Accel wires 80 Accel Coil 50 Ram Air 150 Underdrive Pulleys 90 Roller lifters 160 See Thats quite a bit of stuff there and still not close to 3000.00 ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Now check out this site for 347 Horsepower
http://www.ford-power.com/370-347.htm everything in this I have accept the heads and mine are gt40 iron Fully ported and polished Now plus my other mods 77Mass Air Ram Air Underdrive Pulleys Cobra Computer Ported and Polished Upper and Lower Intake Off Road H Pipe Headers Accel Distibutor, COil, Wires BM Electric Fan And I am not an inexperienced poster, I have been posting here for months. Like you said you dont have much knowledge in stroker motors so how can you say the HP difference. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
I'm not saying that a 347 can't make serious HP. I did forget to mention that he also has the SystemMax 2 kit with his 347, now that isn't so impressive is it?
Your list of info is good, but until I see a dyno sheet, I don't see your 440 hp, but for now I'll have to take your word for it. Like you said, you get stuff for cheap and free because your dad has a shop. This guy doesn't, and will have to pay the full prices for stuff if he wants to do it right. So your prices don't really hold water, do they? ------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... |
I didnt intend to start a flame here or straight out attack you, but that looks like what you have done to me here.
First off, sorry I didn't notice that you already had the Z spec tranny. Heres your first quote of ignorance... "A 347 adds more than 40 to 50 horse skyman. I seriously think you have no idea what you are talking about. A 347 will give you 375HP. Proven Fact. With my setup I am pushing over 440HP." Adds more than 40 or 50 horse to what? Im talking on a well breathing 302 given around 300hp w/ heads, cam, intake etc. You add a 347 its going to add roughly 50hp just given the cubes. Your saying a 347 will give you 375hp proven fact? With what heads is that? E7TE's? I highly doubt it. With what cam? What compression? What intake? So I can just go get me a 347 slam it all together and make 375hp. Oh jeeze I wish building engines was that simple. And don't go quoteing how much horse power you have untill you dyno your car. I'm willing to bet you your first pull wont even net you 390hp. Now I'm looking at your parts list. Doesn't seem like your engine is going to be running very well here with out a crank. Doesn't that usually cost some money? That puts you over $3000 right there. Also were those 30lb Injectors free? I doubt it. You say you got your heads and intakes for only $350. Thats damn cheap, but I can't argue with you on that really. Oh by the way, my off road H-pipe was only $89 and I didn't get any special discount. No fuel pressure regulator? Going to be tough tuneing that beast with out one of those. Also looks like your running that stolen Cobra computer. Anyone thats been around stangs know the cobra computers are sh*t. I would think someone that has rebuilt 25 5.0's would atleast not to know to use a Cobra computer. You ought to go get yourself a A9L (Just a peice of friendly advice). Your using a B-303 cam in that car. You dont mention 1.6 or 1.7 rockers. If your running 1.6's theres no way that cam is going to be enough to get 400+ hp out of that 347. Even with 1.7's it may not be enough. The high duration maybe the only thing that gets you there if you use 1.7's. Also what kind of compression are you running? 13.5:1? Then you may make 400+hp. You never specified this. This link you show of a 370hp 347 engine uses World prodcuts heads with 2.02" valves. MUCH larger valves then your GT40 heads have. Though with porting they should flow about the same. So where does the extra 70hp come from? Are you going to rev your engine to the moon? It sure isn't going to make power that high with that B-303 cam. Also this engine is just magically rated at 370hp. They give you no dyno #'s or actual real life facts. Yes, it will probably make that much power once setup right with all the right components and tuned well, but this is no way in hell to gauge what kind of power your engine is making. I'm not normally an ******* . But when someone comes out and attacks me when they don't even know theyre own crap or have anything to back up what they are saying then I do get a little irritated. Honestly though, no flame intended. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and a whole lot more. 13.2@106mph -Shooting for 12's and a 351 slowly in the works! Stock-94 Integra 15.48@91mph |
Damn, Sky, go bud.
My thoughts exactly, I just didn't want to type all night, lol j/k. Seriously though, if SmokeD has built 25 motors like he described, then hell, I bet he has a few pi$$ed customers...it's like:"hey man your motor is done!" "cool, I'll come pick it up" "OK for the 347 it will cost you $2000 with labor, heads, Intake, .300" cam, but you won't have the benefit of rockers, or a crank...hope you like it!!!" I just hope that nobody on here lives by Smoke, because of this little scrub, his dad could have possibly lost s ton of business because of an arrogant kid that thinks he knows more than ME!!! And that surely is a mistake http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif J/K Seriously though, if you are going to preach motor construction, atleast get your dad to look over your post before you insert your foot in your mouth so you don't make him look bad...k? ------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... |
Ok, Lets get it going here. The 30lb Injectors were free w/my 77 C&L Mass Air. I got the Heads and Intakes used for 350 plus all the race prepped porting and polishing was free. My compression ratio is 12.5:1. The reason my whole 347 stroker project started is because I received the crank on a liquidation. So I got the Eagle Crank for 300. The reason my H-pipe was more expensive is because it has a powerbox on it. You got a good deal no yours for 89, I’ve never saw one for under 100.
The duration of the cam is 289, that is enough to get me there for you opinion. I have net gain HP up to 6500RPM with my comp. Springs and retainers. I have 1.72 Comp Cams roller rockers. The heads in the url I addressed were IRON, and my ports are bigger than those. If you read down farther you could receive ALUMINUM heads for an addition 600. And anyone w/computer knowledge knows the bad years for cobra computers were 94 and 95 smartone, I have 3 A9L but to run mass air need better set up, you should all know this come on now. This is all in fun but know your stuff before you try to catch me in something. And by looking at your stats you people havent done enough mods to know how to change a set of spark plugs. And one of your friends must have helped that other guy put that 347 together w/that systemMax 2 kit because that is just plain out pathetic. "I'm not normally an ******* . But when someone comes out and attacks me when they don't even know theyre own crap or have anything to back up what they are saying then I do get a little irritated." So lets keep your little questions coming so I can keep answering them and prove you guys wrong. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Okay my $.02. If you have your own machine shop and get really good deals on everything. You can build a stroker for 3 grand, but for everyone else it's gonna cost you atleast 4 grand. Give or take a little. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...board/wink.gif
------------------ 89GT,T-5Z, D.S.S. 306 shortblock w\main support, B-303 cam, Cobra intake, GT40P heads, 1.72rr, MAC "P" headers, MAC off-road H-Pipe, MAC true-fit w\tips, 373's...and the list goes on! Throttle Junkie Powered by Ford! 12.824 @ 107.05 MPH PVT Blankenship leaving for BCT 14MAR01 MOS 67 Romeo |
Well I have had bad experience with Keith Black pistons so I didnt want to stick with there Summit 347 Kit. So we ordered from different catalogs. Ross Pistons 500 Eagle Rods 320. But actually in the 347kit from summit for 1500. I got all the same parts(different better brands) for 1250.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
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Just speaking from first hand experience with a 93 Cobra computer, they are worthless
We yanked the Cobra computer because it pulls so much timing out at the top and makes the car flat if it has any kind of *** and power. That's why Pro-M sells a adapter to get rid of the limiters in the Cobra computer. We are now running s Speedbrain and will never look back..... $320 for a set of Rods is a awsome deal, if I/or any of us need some for my/our next motor can you help me/us out? I have well over $3000 in my motor, and I am running stock rods, pistons, crank. How did you get your injectors for free with the meter, they are a $200 value. I agree that the numbers on the 347 with the Holley kit are low, Dave_5.0_Mustang got 300RWHP on the dyno out of his hi-mile 302 with the kit, that roughly 350 FLYWHP. I'm going to dyno mine in the spring and I am really looking for 400FLYWHP after some minor porting/polishing and a new cam swap, I don't see it being far out of reach; I have the Holley kit but with the newer 2.02 heads and they flow pretty good out of the box. I would like to know where the 440HP number came from? Did you dyno it? If so post the numbers as the old saying goes "PUT UP OR SHUT UP? SaleenGTS tell your friend with the Holley kit to check his heads, I just pulled mine off since I had a oil consumption problems and found almost every valve seal had pulled out, one broke and was clogging my return hole in my head. I know 3 other people that have had bad heads from Holley, guides, seals mainly. ------------------ My Ride Check Out My Site 91GT, Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60",Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes, 2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe, 2 1/2" cat back, 12" K&N Filter, RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air, Ron Davis Radiator, Full Suspension,3:73's, Welds, Best on new motor-12.60 @ 108, no traction 1.98 [This message has been edited by Rick 91GT (edited 02-20-2001).] |
I sure can help with prices. And for some of you that dont believe me call Automotion located in Indianapolis Indy. High Performance parts dealer. They have the Eagle 5.400in Rods for 319.00
My best friend had a 91 gt that he was working on and had the injectors and the mass air unit and he traded me those for a couple dakota r/t wheels. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Those are the hp numbers that quinlin racing gave me. They said I should be pushing around 440hp. Do people not see the extra power I have. Electic Fan frees up 17hp
underdrive pulleys headers offroad h-pipe RAM AIR!! ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Holy sh*t, lots of replies, guys my ISP was down for weeks, im just now getting to read these, but im starting with some poweradder mods probaly, after heads and cam, im going towards a 150 shot.
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I need to correct NOS_NOTCH, my car is (not) an AOD, the 3.27's came out of an aod ver, and work well.
Hey Blkrain, glad to see ya back man, as you probaly noticed i hit gool ole 13.9, im just ready to go much faster http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 97.80 Best 60': 2.0047 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
Ok, I have to point out all the flaws in your $3000 estimate here Smokedawg. No one else is going to get free injectors, such good deals on heads and intakes. Even in the classifieds they are never that cheap. All the other peices and all are going to cost over $3k. So we are just going to have to throw that all out.
I've been thinking it over. You really should go with a custom cam for your setup. That B303 is not going to make power to 6500 rpms like you would like it too. And that GT40 intake better be cut and welded if you want it to breathe that high. Those intakes are not known to breathe are super high rpms like your looking for. The 12.5:1 compression is definatly a big plus, and is going to be the big point in pushing you to 400+ HP. There is no way your going to be able to run this car on the street though with street gas with iron heads and 12.5:1 compression. "The heads in the url I addressed were IRON, and my ports are bigger than those. " Your heads are IRON too. I'd like to see the flow #'s on your heads just outta interest. And yes the 93 cobra computer is a peice of crap too. So if you hope to make any power swap in the A9L that you have 3 of. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. And yes, I know how to change a set of spark plugs ******* . And for your own information, you havn't proved anyone wrong yet. You've just led us on with mis-information, and then saying I'm wrong and having nothing to really back yourself up with. However, with a custom cam, and some good tuning, and if your combo does come together right you should see 440hp at the flywheel. Its that 12.5:1 compression thats going to do it for you. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and a whole lot more. 13.2@106mph -Shooting for 12's and a 351 slowly in the works! Stock-94 Integra 15.48@91mph |
No need for flames, but thanx guys, i accepted the fact im gonna need around5K to be on the safe side, and forget about my stock t-5 holding up on a 11 or low 12sec car, plus my car will need suspension and 3.73 or 4.10 grs, especially tires http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif
------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 97.80 Best 60': 2.0047 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
Skyman--
I am just a little leary on the extrude honing of my intake. What kind of cam do you people expect me to be running with this setup? Yes I do have irons but they have been fully race prepped ported. And by the way none of you have proved myself wrong either skyman. If you call around you can find much of these prices the same also, just look before you buy. Automotion in Indy, IN is an excellent High Performance dealer and can save you $$$. There only thing I believe they are expensive on is there nitrous express systems. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Been following this thread for a few days. Seems that no one is probably really wrong, just some big differences in how you and others are getting your motors together. Smoke, you probably did put your combo together for 3k. The only problem is 99% of the people on this board could not come close to duplicating what you did, in terms of no cost machining and assembly and matching some of the deals you got on parts would be difficult. The reality is you 3k motor is everyone elses 4 to 5 k motor and thats the reality that most on this board deal with.
------------------ 1965 K code coupe - numbers matching - restoration ongoing. 1987 LX notch, stock heads and intake, 3.55's and typical bolt on's 13.89@100.25 |
Ya you are right on that one. I did get a great deal on my setup for 3. But I am certain if someone didnt rush into this and took there time and researched were to get parts and asked around w/friends they could get this setup for 4. Just take your time when you piece this together. My car was down for months.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
Smokedawg-first off, you have no business saying that I don't know how to change spark plugs?? You are a rookie here and have no idea what we have had in the past, and I am sure there are more than a few guys on here that will back me, and that there are a few on here that will tell you I know a little about cars and motors.
If you really do have a motor shop, GREAT, I am glad for you, but don't come on here using your god-given knowledge of motors, and insult us that are trying to help the guy that posted here. Why not use your knowledge wisely, and not smarta$$ly, and try to be cool, and informative instead of a little $hit and derrogatory. ------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... |
If you see all my other posts you can see i am not a @sshole. But when someone trys to tell me how much money I have in my setup when they arent the ones purchasing it, it irritates me. You all are the ones who gang up on my like a bunch of @ssholes.
I didnt post any negative comments til someone jumped on me first. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
I have to jump in here...Smokedawg why don't you get your panties out a bunch and realize that you are really being a little bit of a jack@ss here.
Whether you truly are or not, you are making yourself sound like Daddy's little man and nobody knows more than you do. You are quick to insult and are not open to interpretation and lack respect for the senior members on this board. Why don't you sit back and think about why you come to this site in the first place...to learn and to share your knowledge...not to rub peoples noses in it. Grow up. ------------------ 1992 5.0 LX, V-1 S-Trim @8LBS, Edelbrock 6037 Heads, Cobra Intake,E-303, 1.6 Roller Rockers,65MM Holley TB, 75 MM Pro M Mass Air, 190 LPH FP w/ 24 lb injectors,MSD 6A and BTM, BBK equal length shorties, offroad h-pipe,Mac Flowpath Mufflers, Pro 5.0, 3.73's,Motorsport "C" springs,welded subframe connectors, Ponies w/ 225/50 Nittos, Dark Green w/ 93 Cobra Spoiler Daily driver: 89 Coupe with 207K plus, BBK shorties,offroad h-pipe,2-chamber flowmasters with dumps |
I have shared quite a bit of knowledge here. If you read back you people are the ones who started this whole thing. I have never gotten smart@ssish this whole time. I just keep telling you what I have. I never meant to come across saying that you people dont know what you talk about but when you say you dont know much about strokers then dont put you opinions in on them. Its hard to fight with facts isnt it. This is all fun to me. I havent taken one comment badly. I am just here chatting with people who disagree with me. I try to enlighten ones being.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
At the risk of getting attacked, here my $.02 (maybe $.03)
Smokedawg - The original question was "How much would it cost" but I believe it was asked more for a "regular guy/gal", not someone with contacts. Your original post basically says "Look at my sig for mods and I paid $3k". You never mentioned how much you did yourself, that you had [free] access to a machine shop, and had access to free knowledge (ie your father). Imagine if someone with less knowledge than the people on this thread read this and took it at face value. They would think they could duplicate your setup for $3k. It was only after someone (Skyler I believe) questioned your claim, that these things came to light, then you attacked him. While this is great for you, it does not represent the norm. Given that you have this "extra" machine shop knowledge, why didn't you use it to let people know the maching costs and procedures that they could expect? Instead, you attacked the people who questioned your cost figure, but they had a valid argument until you clarified. You also fail to realize that your car is not real practical as a driver (iron heads, high compression) I know the original question didn't include this, but he was comparing to an LS1 (Anyone can beat one with a "race car") In reference to HP numbers, I would agree with Sky - Don't say it until you can back it up with dyno results, you may be surprised. As far as Cobra vs A9L, injector intakes, etc... I have no clue, my 347 is in a "pre-space age" vehicle. However, aside from the block machine work, and install of the crank, rods, & pistons I did everthing else all by my wittle self http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif In the words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along" ------------------ 347, 279/284 .493/.510, TFS TW, Stealth, 750, Flowtech hdrs, Dr. Gas X, 2 Chmbr Flowmaster, MSD 6AL-Dist.& SS coil, Art Carr C-4, Currie 9" w/3.55, alum Drv Shft, susp mods, 4 wheel power disc In a 66 coupe |
Its all good man, i originally asked the question, and everyone was helpful, no i dont have connections in machine shops, (like my dad did when he was in HS) so building a low 12 sec car is gonna be costly, and i dont even have a garage, but i figure lots of boltons, longtubes, and a 150 shot will be my route.
thnx again ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 97.80 Best 60': 2.0047 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
Also, I have never seen a claim brom Black Magic, or any other elec fan manufacturer that states "freeing-up 17 hp"
My last car had one, and I didn't see even a 10 hp gain...maybe 5-7 hp. ------------------ Dustin 1993 Cobra #1926 Bassani Full lengths,Bassani short X-pipe, American thunder Cat back, 3.55's. More to come... |
Acually Rodney King said "Can we all jus get along?", not "Can't we all just get along?".
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As for the fan look in summits racing catalog. Look in the fan section(pg 93 in my catalog). In the blue box it reads and I quote "Up to 17 free horsepower from a fan change." That means replacing stock fan w/electric will free up hp. Ok, I am done arguing about this conversation.
If anyone needs help finding parts reasonable let me know. I will be more than happy to help out fellow mustangers. As for any machine shop once you get enough done there they start cutting you deals. So talk to someone who has been there and ask them to go with you when you go. But I seriously think someone if they were careful could be setup with my exact setup for 4000 give or take a little. (Not including labor) Although I did forget to mention an expensive item on my rebuild list, the motor mounts. Damn things cost me over 100. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 02-21-2001).] |
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and 12.5:1 on an all iron motor? what kind of fuel are you running? with all of that cylinder pressure that small cam and those headers are huge bottlenecks. |
Yes I am running that compression on an all Iron motor. The motor has been decked and heads have been milled and high comp flat top Ross Pistons. I hate aluminum heads with a passion, have bad luck with sealant. the cams specs are Duration @ .50":224/224. And the motor is breathing excellent
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
didn't know the b cam had that much duration. i guarantee those headers are bottlenecking your setup like crazy btw, there is no doubt about it or denying it.
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Hey smokedawg, I didn't mean to break your spirit or anything. I look foward to talking to you more on here and reading more of your posts. I really look foward to seeing what your car turns at the track when its all set to go. I just like debating things, and theres no reason to get all mad or anything. I think its good when we can have a heated argument, but were all still here for the same reason, mustangs and power, so lets not hate each other.
Anyways, about your magic 375hp 347, check out 5.0 mag this month. They swapped out a short block on a stock engine for a 347 short block and it only made 20 more hp! 245hp total, thats it. Anyways, they did it with good heads, cam, intake and 11.5:1 compression and it make ~450hp all motor. This was with no accessories and no exhaust. So thats probably about 400 on the motor with accessories and exhaust. The cam specs were much larger than yours. So I doubt your going to make 440. If you do, thats awesome, and I'm really interested to actually see what your car makes. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303 Cam, Edelbrock Intake, and a whole lot more. 13.2@106mph -Shooting for 12's and a 351 slowly in the works! Stock-94 Integra 15.48@91mph |
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You can check the duration on it in about all mustang mags. They power you get from a 347 swap is goin to be compared to the quality of parts you use. Thats why I stay away from Keith Black... ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
smokedawg, I hate to step on your toes bud, but you have your head pretty far up your a$$
your heads are smaller than windsor Sr's, and that's guaranteed. I know you ported em, there isn't enough tolerance in the casting to make it as large as windsor sr. I KNOW your really caught up in hype and advertisements, lmao, adding up whatever the catalog quotes and spitting out figures. get to a dyno or a track and post slips or dynographs before you make yourself look any worse than you already do. you prolly barely(maybe not even) have 300rwhp 11's- TFS heads, ported, holley sytemaxII, tfs stage2 cam, vortech s-trim that will go ten's you'll need a light package w/good chassis and a LOT of hook ------------------ ram air 70mm tb ported performer ported 289heads 1.94,1.6 1 5/8 LT's |
what fuel w/12.5:1?
oh your buddy owns an airport ok |
Slow87GT--why dont your shut your ignorant mouth, pull it out of your a$$ first. I would like to take bets on that 300rwhp. Would you like too? I would love to bet 150.00..But now no backing out. I will post dyno slips. I run Blue Streak 110 Octane.
------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 02-22-2001).] |
Well then lets cut down each one of my power adders from what they are suppost to be to more to what you people expect
Underdrive From 15hp to 1hp Electric Fan From Approx15 to 1hp Ram Air From 15hp to 1hp Headers From 15hp to 1hp Mass Air From ?? to 1hp Ported, polished and milled heads 1hp Ported polished intakes 1hp Cam 1hp Off Road H-pip 1hp 347 stroker 1hp All other mods probably only add to about 1 hp So lets see..starting out with 225 + all other mods that gives me 236HP My gosh I am so glad to see thousands of dollars wasted for 11hp. Maybe One Bad R/T was right about all mustang cars! check out him on mustangworks at: One Bad R/T he has a tight *** ride. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Cobra Computer, Cobra Transmission, GT40 Ported and Polished Upper and Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, March Underdrive Pulleys, Electric Fan, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 77mm Mass Air Unit, FlowMaster Exhaust w/offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, High Tolerant Painted Calipers and Drums. |
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