How to be cool?

cyberstang5.0 · 10-13-2002, 06:52 PM

I have a 2 core hi-effecency radiator in my pony now. When I had my stock motor, the temp never went above the 3rd line from the bottom durring Houston's summer in traffic. It cooled it so good, that I litterally didn't have heat in the winter time (my motor never got that hot). I have a Black Majic Electic fan too. So you can see, it cooled my motor really good.

Now that I have a big bad 347

, it's not doing it job as good as it use to. Mostly because my new motor runs hotter. Does anybody know of a radiator that I can get to cool it better?

I was thinking about the "Be Cool" radiator that summit has (Part number BCI-82165) but that's a lot of money for a radiator. I am thinking a 3 core alunium radiator will do the trick.

drtbiker · 10-15-2002, 12:08 AM

why not just try a differnt thermo first? that is what i would do

Coupe Devil · 10-15-2002, 12:43 AM

I got me a 3 core aluminum Modine radiator from NAPA for $125 bucks.. and I got a lifetiem guarantee with it to.. what yo ugonan get with a Be Cool. NOTTA.

Bradley

drudis · 10-15-2002, 08:35 AM

Check out the Griffin radiators.

Here is what I installed in mine:
http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/e...d_install.html

LX XLR8R · 10-15-2002, 09:37 AM

i run a ROn davis alum radiator with a sn95 fan and IMO is the best for the $$$..way cheaper and more efficent than a becool setup

whoops · 10-15-2002, 12:29 PM

Hey cyberstang5.0,
This is off topic, sorry, but where did you get your hood and ground kit? That' s exactly what I'm going for.

Thanks!
Justin

Eric4Nitrous · 10-15-2002, 01:09 PM

i too run a griffin radiator. They have excellent customer support and service. I highly recommend them.

WADS56 · 10-15-2002, 01:42 PM

another vote for the griffen

cyberstang5.0 · 10-15-2002, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drtbiker
why not just try a differnt thermo first? that is what i would do

I'm running a 160 therm as it is.

Quote:

Originally posted by whoops
Hey cyberstang5.0,
This is off topic, sorry, but where did you get your hood and ground kit? That' s exactly what I'm going for.

Thanks!
Justin

I got my hood from either ABC Exclusive or Design Concepts, I can't remember. I got the hood from one place, and the rear bumper and spoiler from the other. The front bumper is a Cervini GT Stalker. The sides are just the stock GT ground effects.

Someone told me to get a 3 core alunium rad and a small thin electric fan to mount in front of the rad to PUSH the air though the rad in addition to my black majic fan.

whoops · 10-15-2002, 02:05 PM

cyberstang5.0:
If your scoop is cut out already you picked it up from Design Concepts. The similar design from ABC is not pre-cut.

Thanks, by the way, your ride look identical to what I was going for. Just hope mine turns out as nice. I'm picking it up Thursday, then the work and fun begins!

Justin

whoops · 10-15-2002, 02:06 PM

Oops. Realized I mis-spoke just now. The Design Concepts is NOT cut out, nor is the ABC one.

Is it difficult to cut that out?

Thanks again,
Justin

cyberstang5.0 · 10-15-2002, 02:19 PM

I didn't cut out the front scoop cuz if it rains, my distrubitor sits right below it and I don't want that to get wet. The rear cowl vents are cut out though. So the back part is functional. I just used a drimil tool to cut out the cowl vents.

whoops · 10-15-2002, 02:22 PM

Sorry - cowl vents? On the hood? Am I missing something in the pictures I've seen?

Thanks again, your time is appreciated.

Justin

cyberstang5.0 · 10-15-2002, 02:24 PM

yeah cowl vents, just like the regular 2" or 4" cowl hoods. They suck air in from the back by the windshield. I cut the pannels out so they would be functional. The entire cowl part sits 3" high.

whoops · 10-15-2002, 02:28 PM

Thank you for all the information again. I'm picking up the car on Thursday and will then start my modifications list, starting with the hood.

Justin

Agent_4573 · 10-15-2002, 03:03 PM

Few questions and comments:

1. Try a 180 degree stat and you might be surprised that it will run cooler. With a large 351 the 160 stat will run in an open loop the whole time the engine is running at tempature. This won't give your coolant a chance to cool down in the radiator before going back into the engine.

2. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a cowl hood suck air OUT from under the hood at the windshield? not in. Physics tells us that fast air(above the hood) is at lower pressure than stagnant air(under the hood). so as you go faster and faster there is less pressure on top of the hood than under it, this should create a sucking effect at the windshield. This in turn allows for more cooler air to be brought in the front of the hood. Someone please correct this idea if I'm wrong. This is just the way I always thought it worked.

cyberstang5.0 · 10-15-2002, 04:29 PM

There is low pressure on top of the hood, which is cooler then high pressure. This gets "sucked" in like a vacume. That is why ppl have cowl hoods to take advantage of the colder air. Only carbed motors can use this to their advantage without spending an arm and a leg to run a custome intake design. If you check out NASCAR's, there is a "hole" infront of the windsheild. They are using the same concept, but with better airodynamics.

drudis · 10-15-2002, 08:50 PM

The only low pressure zone on the hood is between the radiator and the carb area.
The windshield is a high pressure zone. Thats why the cars use this area for your A/C, and cowl induction into the carb on 6-'s cars...

On our Mustangs, it is NOT a cooling thing. The reason I got the cowl hood:
1. looks cool (ok, so I had to admit it)
2. weight (but its only like 15# savings, and not a good bang for buck)
3. The cowel lets ar OUT, yes OUT when driving less than 40mph. Also when I park the car (drive it to work), I dont raise the hood when I stop.
4. Its NOT for the high-speed, as air run INTO the engine compartment, and stagnates the radiator air (throughput), and has a worse effect on the radiator, but does aid in getting air over the headers.

If you dont believe me, tape a piece of yarn on the back edge and see at what speed and where the yarn goes!

88workcar · 10-16-2002, 06:27 AM

I run a 3 core heavy duty from autozone, $130.00. I like the idea of alum. for $125.00. I have a 180 stat. I have an elec. fan but it never comes on. I went street race yesterday, 4 passes, the temp needle was on the secound line from the bottom. I do have alot less motor than most of you all.
The cowl hood, drive in the rain, the air goes in. I never have any dist, wire, elec, ect... problems. It does get the motor a little dirty.

10-13-2002, 06:52 PM	#1
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	How to be cool? I have a 2 core hi-effecency radiator in my pony now. When I had my stock motor, the temp never went above the 3rd line from the bottom durring Houston's summer in traffic. It cooled it so good, that I litterally didn't have heat in the winter time (my motor never got that hot). I have a Black Majic Electic fan too. So you can see, it cooled my motor really good. Now that I have a big bad 347 , it's not doing it job as good as it use to. Mostly because my new motor runs hotter. Does anybody know of a radiator that I can get to cool it better? I was thinking about the "Be Cool" radiator that summit has (Part number BCI-82165) but that's a lot of money for a radiator. I am thinking a 3 core alunium radiator will do the trick.

10-15-2002, 12:08 AM	#2
drtbiker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mt. Prospect,IL Posts: 474	why not just try a differnt thermo first? that is what i would do __________________ 87-ford-mustang-SOLD! mods: 3:73's, off road h-pipe, b303 cam in gt- 40 motor w/ Power Plus intake, edelbrock 70mm tb & egr spacer, 72mm C&L, bbk long tubes, tremec tranny, centerforce dual friction clutch, upr and lwr CA's 255lph FP and soon more to come.... when i have money again SOME ADVICE Don't do burn outs in reverse it is very expensive New times with dead hook on dr's 13.27@103 with 2.0 60 foots w/100lb system Fastest time to date: 12.8@113

10-15-2002, 12:43 AM	#3
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	I got me a 3 core aluminum Modine radiator from NAPA for $125 bucks.. and I got a lifetiem guarantee with it to.. what yo ugonan get with a Be Cool. NOTTA. Bradley __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

10-15-2002, 08:35 AM	#4
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	Check out the Griffin radiators. Here is what I installed in mine: http://www.dariusrudis.com/mustang/e...d_install.html __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com

10-15-2002, 09:37 AM	#5
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	i run a ROn davis alum radiator with a sn95 fan and IMO is the best for the $$$..way cheaper and more efficent than a becool setup __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

10-15-2002, 12:29 PM	#6
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	Hey cyberstang5.0, This is off topic, sorry, but where did you get your hood and ground kit? That' s exactly what I'm going for. Thanks! Justin __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 01:09 PM	#7
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	i too run a griffin radiator. They have excellent customer support and service. I highly recommend them. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

10-15-2002, 01:42 PM	#8
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	another vote for the griffen __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

10-15-2002, 02:05 PM	#10
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	cyberstang5.0: If your scoop is cut out already you picked it up from Design Concepts. The similar design from ABC is not pre-cut. Thanks, by the way, your ride look identical to what I was going for. Just hope mine turns out as nice. I'm picking it up Thursday, then the work and fun begins! Justin __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 02:06 PM	#11
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	Oops. Realized I mis-spoke just now. The Design Concepts is NOT cut out, nor is the ABC one. Is it difficult to cut that out? Thanks again, Justin __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 02:19 PM	#12
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	I didn't cut out the front scoop cuz if it rains, my distrubitor sits right below it and I don't want that to get wet. The rear cowl vents are cut out though. So the back part is functional. I just used a drimil tool to cut out the cowl vents.

10-15-2002, 02:22 PM	#13
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	Sorry - cowl vents? On the hood? Am I missing something in the pictures I've seen? Thanks again, your time is appreciated. Justin __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 02:24 PM	#14
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	yeah cowl vents, just like the regular 2" or 4" cowl hoods. They suck air in from the back by the windshield. I cut the pannels out so they would be functional. The entire cowl part sits 3" high.

10-15-2002, 02:28 PM	#15
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	Thank you for all the information again. I'm picking up the car on Thursday and will then start my modifications list, starting with the hood. Justin __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 03:03 PM	#16
Agent_4573 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 375	Few questions and comments: 1. Try a 180 degree stat and you might be surprised that it will run cooler. With a large 351 the 160 stat will run in an open loop the whole time the engine is running at tempature. This won't give your coolant a chance to cool down in the radiator before going back into the engine. 2. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't a cowl hood suck air OUT from under the hood at the windshield? not in. Physics tells us that fast air(above the hood) is at lower pressure than stagnant air(under the hood). so as you go faster and faster there is less pressure on top of the hood than under it, this should create a sucking effect at the windshield. This in turn allows for more cooler air to be brought in the front of the hood. Someone please correct this idea if I'm wrong. This is just the way I always thought it worked. __________________ '89 LX 5.0, off-road h pipe, flowmaster muffs, underdrive pulleys, rebuilt WC T-5, King Cobra Clutch, 65mm throttle body, Explorer Upper/GT40 lower, Lakewood Rear Lift Bars. 76mm C&L Mass air w/ inlet pipe, Twisted wedge heads w/ stage 2 port,polish, MAC equal length shorties, Billet AFPR, 255LPH fuel pump, fresh low end w/ 10.5:1 compression. If anyone ever wants to go to Raceway Park in Englishtown New Jersey, give me a shout. RICER HATERS CLUB MEMBER 87! www.ricehatersclub.com

10-15-2002, 04:29 PM	#17
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	There is low pressure on top of the hood, which is cooler then high pressure. This gets "sucked" in like a vacume. That is why ppl have cowl hoods to take advantage of the colder air. Only carbed motors can use this to their advantage without spending an arm and a leg to run a custome intake design. If you check out NASCAR's, there is a "hole" infront of the windsheild. They are using the same concept, but with better airodynamics.

10-15-2002, 08:50 PM	#18
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	The only low pressure zone on the hood is between the radiator and the carb area. The windshield is a high pressure zone. Thats why the cars use this area for your A/C, and cowl induction into the carb on 6-'s cars... On our Mustangs, it is NOT a cooling thing. The reason I got the cowl hood: 1. looks cool (ok, so I had to admit it) 2. weight (but its only like 15# savings, and not a good bang for buck) 3. The cowel lets ar OUT, yes OUT when driving less than 40mph. Also when I park the car (drive it to work), I dont raise the hood when I stop. 4. Its NOT for the high-speed, as air run INTO the engine compartment, and stagnates the radiator air (throughput), and has a worse effect on the radiator, but does aid in getting air over the headers. If you dont believe me, tape a piece of yarn on the back edge and see at what speed and where the yarn goes! __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com

10-16-2002, 06:27 AM	#19
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	I run a 3 core heavy duty from autozone, $130.00. I like the idea of alum. for $125.00. I have a 180 stat. I have an elec. fan but it never comes on. I went street race yesterday, 4 passes, the temp needle was on the secound line from the bottom. I do have alot less motor than most of you all. The cowl hood, drive in the rain, the air goes in. I never have any dist, wire, elec, ect... problems. It does get the motor a little dirty. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

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