how fast have you guys gone with a stock motor
 

How fast have you guys gone all stock? What about with just exhast and K&N? How many of you have seen a stock motored car get into the 12's with basic drag suspension, 4.10's-4.30s, 10.5's?

Me and Unit are having a duscussion about 1/4 times and I wanted some info. I personaly have never seen any times like these. But I'm not saying I'm right, that's why I'm asking. I did once see a 88 GT run a 13.9, but that was a freak occurance. He never ran close to that again, stock.

I went a 12.87 @ 104 with just 1.7's, K&N, ceramic long tubes, 2.5" off road and cat back,underdrives, 70/30's,50/50's, Eibach drag launch kit, no front sway, Weld big n' littles with 26" X 10.5" M&H RACEMASTERS dot approved, 3:73 gears, t-5 with a CF DF and a Pro-5.0. FULL WEIGHT 91GT.

The car got every bit of power it had to the ground, I had 1.60 60ft, and I cut a .501 light on a .500 tree. I was also able to get it to go 12.98/99 5-7 other times although most of the time it was a 13.2 car. The best I had ever done on BFG RADIALS was 13.28 I believe been a long time.

A lot of it has to deal with the driver...;)

I went 13.9@96mph with a completely stock long block, valve covers had never been off. That was with all the mods in my sig, minus the roller rockers (I never got a run in this past fall after I threw them on). I also think I could have done better, I never felt like I had a really good run the last trip to the track. And that's also with a set up for heads and an intake. I was probably hurting my times with the bigger exhaust and induction going into the stock intake and heads. I don't think it would be unreasonable for a good driver to get into the mid 13's with the right combo on a stock long block, maybe high 12's if it was stripped and had a drag suspension.

when my 91 gt was stock, of course i had a k&n filter. i had no traction problems i hooked up fine, and i ran a 15.6. i fined it very hard to believe someone can get into the 12's with nothing done other then suspension.

Blownpony91 you must not get out much

I ran a 14.5 with a 90 GT that had full exhaust, a couple suspension mods could get you clear into the 13's

13.72@100mph. K&N,pulley,superchip,magnaflow cat-back,3.55,hurst shifter,removed some weight,hollowed stock h-pipe,short belt.That was on street tire( toyo proxess) and no front sway bar 1.97 60'. I could have gone faster with an iced intake.

First real run at the track, I hit a 14.09 @ 94mph, second run was a 14.2-something. Judging by how I launch the car most of the time (on the street), I think it really was a fluke...I doubt I could do better than that except with a few bolt-ons. That was right after I got the car, so it was exactly as it came from the factory, on a moderately warm day.

POOPSTANG, im just telling you what my car ran when it was stock. i went and looked at the slip and its a 15.4 not 15.6.

but i also looked at my 60 ft time, it was a 2.3, so maybe i did have some traction problems.

by any chance were you running on a down hill track? lol b/c i find it hard to believe that you ran a 14.5 with only full exhaust

13.4@105 with all the stock parts except mufflers, chip, and gears.

O-yea, that was in my old 88gt.

It did have a lot of port work done but the parts were stock.

I went a best of 12.82 @ 104 at Byron, Illinois.

1993 LX 5.0 Hatch 5-speed
K&N
73mm C&L MAF
65mm T.B.
Pulley's
Removed front swaybar
Short belt
UNTOUCHED HEADS, CAM, INTAKE!
(Intake inlet ported for throttle body)
1.6/1.7 Roller Rockers
1&5/8" Long tubes
2&1/2" H-pipe into 2 chamber flowmasters dumped
Aluminum Driveshaft
Old Southsides
3.73 gears
Drag Radials

THE TRUTH, NO BULL!!!!!!

I'm askin what you guy ran with stock 2.73 gears. Also I'm talkin about running 12's with absolutly NO engine mods.

Unit says that his car is a low 13 second car(on slicks). I just don't see it runing that fast with just a high flow H-pipe with cats, a cat-back, a flex-fan, removed intake silencer, and a K&N. I really wish he would run it at the track, but from what he has described about the amount of money it takes for him to go to the track, I think it is out of the quesion.

By low 13's that would be 13.3s or better. I do not know if my car is, or is not a low 13 car with slicks cause I've never run it with slicks.

I do know it's capable of trapping at over 100mph and running high 13's in it's current form with crap traction on stock street tires.

I ran 13.52 @ 100 with stock 3.08 gears, 2.5 inch H-pipe and a k&n. Of course this was with slicks. Best on radials was 13.88 @ 99. I had nothing else done to the car but the above mods.

all about the driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tireburner, i agree with you there is no way that a stock fox body mustang is running in the 13's. i dont car what kind of suspension or slicks.

May want to read the post 2 above you. May also want to talk to Mr 5.0, who I know has seen a killer driver put a stock Fox with optional 3.08's into the 13.8's as I recall. Or read the rest of the posts with people running mid 13's with basically gears and very minor bolt ons.

i have and i dont believe any of it!

I think a High 13 is able out of a all Stock car With a Good driver and a Good Running car. I have Drove a ALL STOCK expt. for ONE MUFFER A (WALKER) yes 1!! and the other the stock one from the Dealer. 87 notch with the 3.08 And new Control arms to. with a stuff in the back (amp, Sub, and a bit of other stuff in the back. And With a Passanger about 150lbs and me 160lbs. With a G-tech I know that the track and so on.... But the time is very close to the track MPH is all messed tho. 14.15-25 about 6 times A High 13 I feel you be done on that car. Man You go it Halling there Rick in yours!!!

Blownpony91, I feel ya bro.. I does happen though. Its been happening for over 10 years now but I've yet to see it on the track. It all depends on the tune, the weight, the driver and the suspension of the car. There are those that can and have done it but they are far and few between.. it does happen though. I remember an article from 10yrs ago that listed 10 steps to get to low 13s with a 5.0, they were; slicks, gears, K&N and silencer, remove front sway bar, bump timing, iced intake, remove extra weight(I think), wash(yeah they actually listed that.. lol).. I really can't remember the rest at the present time but I'm sure I can dig it up for you.. I think mufflers and h-pipe..

The thing is... most of us will never see it. It has and can be done but I've yet to see a stock 5.0 run low 13s. It takes most of us heads, cam, intake or a blower and then we're lucky to get close to that..

14.75 with h-pipe and flowmaster catback also have cold air inka bbk

Well i have to be heard on this, elevation might play a role in this, but if anyone remebers my old sig, I had at one time: just removed silencer, box with knN, all cat cvters, 3cbr mufflers, aluminum d/s, going 14.1's.

with electric fan and swaybar removal, i nailed a 13.91 on little tires in sig with a 2.0 60', i could have made a 13.80 easily i know, now with my h-pipe and SFC's, and my friends e,t, streets, i ran 13.6 on a very humid night, and the tires were to low psi bogging, with more air in them i could have cut a 1.7 and seen 13,4

but unit i dont believe your car will trap more than 100mph, maybe 99, but being you can stay in 3rd you will be close, but with stock h-pipe i dont see it happening, plus the stock cluch fan really drags a stang down on the topend. your looking at g-teck maybe.

Well bone stock except a Flowmaster American Thunder cat back, I went 14.7 @ 95 or so if I remember correctly, that was with a 5spd and 2.73 gears on BFG's COMP TA's 245/45/16ZR tires, I don't remember the exact 60ft but it was 2.0, and I have no idea what the light was.

I agree with poopstang..A LOT IS IN THE DRIVER.

Blownpony91- Where at in MD are you? Use to live in MD but moved to get away from all the emissions bull, now I'm right over the MD/PA line.

Muscle Mustangs and fast fords did an article a few years ago about this exact topic. the article was all naturalally aspirated, and while some of them were extreme engines, a few of them were mostly stock.

the one that comes to memory was an 87 LX. stripped, slicks, 5 speed, weighing 2400 lbs, launching at some oddball rpm, something like 5000 rpm, ran a low 12 at something like 105. i forget exactly what the specs were. i will try and find the article and get back to you.

but it is veeeeery possible. it is all DRIVER and WEIGHT.

It's weird how the trap speeds and ETs differ.


Rick 91GT trapped a mile per hour faster than me, but with a six-tenths higher ET...guess that means he had better top-end but I got a better launch?

Rick, im from the baltimore area.

I usually race at capital raceway if you know the place, where were you from?

My car ran a 15.4 @89 @3000ft bone stock 88GT vert

Well I am from the Manchester/Westminster area and I lived in the Reisterstown area for about 2 years. I actually have some buddies from the Glen Burnie area and I have raced at Capitol although Fri nights there can get crazy.

I usually race at 75/80 or Mason Dixion and did hit Cecil County a few times last year as well.

I won both of the Ford Shootouts last year at 75/80.

Well, I never ran with 2.73's, my car came with a 3.08.

But, the "stockest" I ran it was with a short belt and a race crank pulley, but that was with slicks and it went 13.40, I forget the mph.

I went

13.30@101

stock full weight 88 GT with pep boy tires on a high 1.8 60 ft.

car has cat X-pipe, dyno max cat back,Ram air and timing advance.. thats it. still stock gears (posi went last trip so she might get some 3:27 's soon).


fast as I've seen..... I am going for 12's with nittos ,iceing intake and short belt.

13's stock... NOT
 

I don't consider gears and exhaust stock. I have had 4 mustangs and i think i'm an ok driver with 15 years of street racing experience. and i can say that i have NEVER run mid 13's on a bone stock mustang even with slicks and a good launch. Alot of blood sweat and tears went into all of my decent sprints.

He didn't ask about a stock car... he asked about stock motor..

My car was a 15sec ride with the stock motor(aod vert).

well, I stand corrected. Thankyou.

Rick, how do you stand corrected? now talking about weight, I could have dropped my spare, and my smog pump, and maybe dropped an extra tenth? so with e.t. streets, and before all of the mods in my sig(wow my `oh so powerful mods) i could have gone 13.8's. It has alot to do with driving, im still using a stock shifter too, On my 13.9 run i was launching at idle, thats all my 225/60's would take, i'll admit, i only ran that once on street tires, and the electric fan and swaybar removal isnt stock, but I believe all stangs should have came with electric fans.:p

Then again i see guys running stock fox gt's that can't break outta the 15's, even with gears and free mods.....

I see that at the track all the time you have some good running cars and some bad, I still feel a lot is in the driver and I guess it depends what day of the week that motor was put together.

At the track I race guys with blower, N2O, and strokers and beat them all day long, they always scream cheater and that I have a stroker, they can't seam to get it through their thick skulls that you ca have a good running NA 302, it really shocks them to see it bring the wheels off the ground:D

Wait till this season:D:D

The last post i put in here was with an H pipe and K&N. This will give you an idea of what a totally stock stang will run. This was when i first got it. Stock H pipe and no K&N. Just bumped up timing And thats it. On slicks. 14.12 @ 96. On radials. 14.41 @ 94. Of course this is a coupe so its a little lighter than a GT or Hatchback.

Rick,
i ride through glen burnie every once and a while but lately ive heard that the cops are cracking down on people. i havent had the chance to go any where but capital, but i heard that mason dixon is really nice track.
are you going to be going to any ford meets this year?

Yeah..the last time I crusied down there a lot of cops were out, they look for off road pipes down there, atleast I have PA tags now.

I plan to hit all the meets this year at 75/80 (I need to defend my title:D) and Mason and Cecil, and if all goes well I will be racing at the NMRA Ford Nats in Maple Grove. I'll let you know when they are and maybe you cna make a few.

I just started taking my car apart for all the winter/spring additions, I am getting the car painted and may be adding a few small goodies. It just has to be all together for the Ocean City Hot Rod Weekend in May, what a blast that is, we trailered my car down last year but it rained a lot only drove it a little bit down there.

Keep In Touch,

Rick
Home E-mail Rick91GT@onemain.com

Thats cool, let me know when the meets are when your going, if you want you can e-mail me Homrunhitr22@hotmail.com.

im in the same boat with my car im putting in a new engine hopefully by the end of the this month.

My brother was down the ocean last year he told me about all the rain, but he drives a 89 camaro so you probably didnt pay any attention to him, lol

lol..just as I drove bye him:D

I'll let you know about the races, good luck with the motor swap.