How much money to build a high 10 sec Honda (using V-tec engine)?

Fox Body · 12-07-2002, 11:02 PM

Okay, I'm not asking b/c I want to do this. I'm just curious. If you've just got to know why, then ask.

I figure far over $10,000. It's not like I've sat down and tried to figure it out.

Skyman · 12-07-2002, 11:14 PM

Depends if your going to gut it, or run a full weight car. And what chassis? The CRX is light.

Skyler

AntwaanRandleEL · 12-07-2002, 11:19 PM

It can't cost much. I mean really, how much can a pack of stickers cost?

fiveohpatrol · 12-07-2002, 11:25 PM

Quote:

AntwaanRandleEL

, stickers are getting expensive these days

btw, I love the line in your sig

-drew

Fox Body · 12-08-2002, 09:51 AM

Okay, let's say a Honda Civic EX (coup) 2-door. MINOR weight reductions-- not gutted.

Power adder: Turbo (either single or twin) or Nitrous

Major points: We need transmission, engine and accessories, gears, suspension, and power adder. (and of course driving experiences, but...). I guess we could add labor?

Chevyguy · 12-08-2002, 10:15 AM

Car craft did a 500 hp Honda buildup vs a 500 hp Buick 455 buildup. Seem to remember the Honda costing over 10,000 for the motor and NOS. And the buick motor was $4000 or so, and even was faster at the strip, neither car was in the 10's

I saw a CRX run a high 12 next to me, I made myself feel better thinking how much he spent to get there.

For that matter, wouldn't a 10 sec Stang cost some good coin too??

William Bowers · 12-08-2002, 12:18 PM

Almost a moot point....Fast Honda? never seen one except a few motorcycles. I hear those quick imports are all the rage on the west coast.Probably isn't one within 100 miles of hear that will break into the 13's.But I have a friend who digs that crap and he says 10,000 probably wouldn't touch it cuz even if you make all that power it takes mucho dollars to put it on the ground.The bone yards are littered with broken half shafts,those cars are a waste of time and money, even a quick one bores me to sleep.Only bikes should have 4cyls. My bike puts out more hp than my mustang

and it also wieghs only about 400 lbs. But she will go 5.80's on motor(1/8) and 5.50's on the button. Don't do much 1/4 mile but I have gone 9.10's on motor and 8.70's on the button. It is quite a ride with no wheelie bars!
Almost 270 hp when she is on the squeeze.(last dyno)

as for the 10 second mustang lets see:

beat up old 4 cyl car:300-800 dollars
big block/c6 out of early 70's ford 600-1000
new intake, cam ,carb, 800-1000
N.O.S. fogger 500-800
a little suspension work
removing all uneeded wieght
slicks
stall converter
race shifter
roll cage

I lost count and this isn't exact science but I bet you could put one in the 10's for just a tick under 6 grand if you pinched your pennies. And for 10 grand you could build one hell of a nice drag car

Dark_5.0 · 12-08-2002, 03:39 PM

The fast V-tec engines are not really V-tec at all.

You fix it to whare the extra valves are woirking all the time instead of waiting for the v-tec to open them.

Then you drop in an agressive cams. and ultra high compression around 13-14 to 1. You will have to go to a 4 throttle body set-up 1 for each cylinder. As well as have extensive porting on the head. Then you use a 4 to 1 header with open exhaust this along with extensive weight reduction is how most people achieve good times with all engine Honda's.

V-tec is actually for gas mileage and not power, you remove the V-tec on a DOHC head and fix it to where all 16 valves are working at all times.

I have worked on Hondas quite a bit I have a hopped up lil' CRX.

Its no fun,

LX XLR8R · 12-08-2002, 04:46 PM

my buddy in maryland has the fastyest steety honda in the world..its a 88 crx w/ turbo..9.7's at 150 with no wheelie bar

MidNiteBlu 5.0 · 12-08-2002, 07:36 PM

They are expensive and require a motor swap of course.

There are 12 sec CRX's out here that simply use a japanese spec B16 or B18. I dont know the exact specifics but it is more expensive than our cars by far.

Fox Body · 12-08-2002, 09:45 PM

Thanks guys. You are pretty much confirming what I already knew. Thanks for the added info about the V-techs Dark_5.0.

A friend of mine's been blabbing about how he's gonna build himself a 10sec honda for $7000

BLACK85GT · 12-08-2002, 10:22 PM

maybe he meant 10 in the 1/8th? just a thought.

7SecYaRight · 12-08-2002, 11:47 PM

You could build a 10 sec honda with $7000...if you stole most of the parts.

Dark_5.0 · 12-09-2002, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fox Body
Thanks guys. You are pretty much confirming what I already knew. Thanks for the added info about the V-techs Dark_5.0.

A friend of mine's been blabbing about how he's gonna build himself a 10sec honda for $7000

1st I would gut my crx out to about 1600 lbs.

B18 4 cylinder with tranny $3,000.00 E-bay used
Flat top Integra pistons $300.00 E-bay
2 aggresive cams $500.00
4 throttle body induction $1,200.00
4 to 1 long tube header $500.00
Timing gears $250.00
slicks $300.00
255 LPH fuel pump $100.00
70 shot of Nitrous $500.00
_____________
$ 6,650.00

Considering you did all the work your self the engine could be set-up tp run 10's for 7,000.00.

By the time you got a roll cage welded in and al;l the suspension work you would need you are looking at 10,000 minimum.

7SecYaRight · 12-09-2002, 04:29 AM

there is no way in hell a civic will make it into 10's without atleast 3k in suspension work. I mean ****, i see race teams putting like 30k into their cars to make them hit low 9's

cyberstang5.0 · 12-09-2002, 07:58 AM

The only way to get an Honda into the 10's with no more then 10K of cash is to drop in a V8

MEDIK418 · 12-09-2002, 09:02 AM

Some guy I read about last year has a Saturn turning 9's. Saturn block and head, turbocharged and Lord knows what else. It is still FWD so ??? It's pushing over 400 horses.

Chevyguy · 12-09-2002, 09:15 AM

The newer Saturn L sedan ( the larger one) is actually rear wheel drive, the same chasis as the Caddy Cetera or CTS, or the Aussie Holden Commadore ( the sedan with the T-56 and LS-1 or LS-6). They are avail with a V-6 but the real power builder is the base 4 cyl.

This is the new GM Eccotec 2.2 L motor, only 145 hp in stock form. But if you read Car craft etc, according to GM this motor has enormous power potential. The stock bottom end can take almost 400 hp, and with aftermarket crank and rods and the stock block can hold over 600 hp. They made some drag Cavaliers that were still FWD. Don't know what this world is coming to, but slicks on a FWD car dont look right to me

spankaveli · 12-09-2002, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fox Body
Okay, I'm not asking b/c I want to do this. I'm just curious. If you've just got to know why, then ask.

I figure far over $10,000. It's not like I've sat down and tried to figure it out.

10K including the price of the car, or does he already have the car? If he already has it, what is it?

Also, Dark_5.0, if you know so much about Hondas, one would think you'd know that it's VTEC and not V-tec...

Dark_5.0 · 12-09-2002, 11:54 AM

V-tec or Vtec or Vtech...........It doesnt matter, I dont claim to know so much. I only claim to have totaly rebuilt 2 VTEC engines.

I was only offering up what I know and sharing my experience. I really do appreciate you finding and pointing out my grammatical error.

Thanks for caring,

12-07-2002, 11:02 PM	#1
Fox Body Mustang Maniac Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: GA, U.S.A Posts: 2,266	How much money to build a high 10 sec Honda (using V-tec engine)? Okay, I'm not asking b/c I want to do this. I'm just curious. If you've just got to know why, then ask. I figure far over $10,000. It's not like I've sat down and tried to figure it out. __________________ 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang Ghia notchback '79 Video @ Idle Stock 5.8L under 4" cowl 'glass hood, C4 w/ Transgo shift kit, Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake; Fluidyne Al radiator, Flexalite 175 electric fan, 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, FRPP Al driveshaft; S&W 6-point cage; 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters, 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s; Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 275/50/15 Nitto NT 555R Drag Radials; 14 x 4” K&N X-stream air filter. '92 GT (5-speed) Small In Car Video Stock 5.0L, 2-chamber Flowmasters, MAC CAI, Tri-Ax, Al pedals... "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body

12-07-2002, 11:14 PM	#2
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Depends if your going to gut it, or run a full weight car. And what chassis? The CRX is light. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

12-07-2002, 11:19 PM	#3
AntwaanRandleEL Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Naperville, IL, USA Posts: 76	It can't cost much. I mean really, how much can a pack of stickers cost? __________________ There will always be someone faster then you.

12-08-2002, 09:51 AM	#5
Fox Body Mustang Maniac Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: GA, U.S.A Posts: 2,266	oops, forgot bout weight... Okay, let's say a Honda Civic EX (coup) 2-door. MINOR weight reductions-- not gutted. Power adder: Turbo (either single or twin) or Nitrous Major points: We need transmission, engine and accessories, gears, suspension, and power adder. (and of course driving experiences, but...). I guess we could add labor? __________________ 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang Ghia notchback '79 Video @ Idle Stock 5.8L under 4" cowl 'glass hood, C4 w/ Transgo shift kit, Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake; Fluidyne Al radiator, Flexalite 175 electric fan, 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, FRPP Al driveshaft; S&W 6-point cage; 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters, 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s; Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 275/50/15 Nitto NT 555R Drag Radials; 14 x 4” K&N X-stream air filter. '92 GT (5-speed) Small In Car Video Stock 5.0L, 2-chamber Flowmasters, MAC CAI, Tri-Ax, Al pedals... "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body

12-08-2002, 10:15 AM	#6
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	Car craft did a 500 hp Honda buildup vs a 500 hp Buick 455 buildup. Seem to remember the Honda costing over 10,000 for the motor and NOS. And the buick motor was $4000 or so, and even was faster at the strip, neither car was in the 10's I saw a CRX run a high 12 next to me, I made myself feel better thinking how much he spent to get there. For that matter, wouldn't a 10 sec Stang cost some good coin too?? __________________ 2001 Crown Vic Maurader Airbox/MAF, DR chip Edel IAS shocks Single exhaust :wtf: 93 P-71 Vic interceptor Backup car now 90 5.0 LX Notch SOLD 74 Chevy Laguna type S-3 454 under construction Currently apart undergoing bodywork.

12-08-2002, 12:18 PM	#7
William Bowers Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: LEXINGTON S.C. Posts: 30	Almost a moot point....Fast Honda? never seen one except a few motorcycles. I hear those quick imports are all the rage on the west coast.Probably isn't one within 100 miles of hear that will break into the 13's.But I have a friend who digs that crap and he says 10,000 probably wouldn't touch it cuz even if you make all that power it takes mucho dollars to put it on the ground.The bone yards are littered with broken half shafts,those cars are a waste of time and money, even a quick one bores me to sleep.Only bikes should have 4cyls. My bike puts out more hp than my mustang and it also wieghs only about 400 lbs. But she will go 5.80's on motor(1/8) and 5.50's on the button. Don't do much 1/4 mile but I have gone 9.10's on motor and 8.70's on the button. It is quite a ride with no wheelie bars! Almost 270 hp when she is on the squeeze.(last dyno) as for the 10 second mustang lets see: beat up old 4 cyl car:300-800 dollars big block/c6 out of early 70's ford 600-1000 new intake, cam ,carb, 800-1000 N.O.S. fogger 500-800 a little suspension work removing all uneeded wieght slicks stall converter race shifter roll cage I lost count and this isn't exact science but I bet you could put one in the 10's for just a tick under 6 grand if you pinched your pennies. And for 10 grand you could build one hell of a nice drag car

12-08-2002, 03:39 PM	#8
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	The fast V-tec engines are not really V-tec at all. You fix it to whare the extra valves are woirking all the time instead of waiting for the v-tec to open them. Then you drop in an agressive cams. and ultra high compression around 13-14 to 1. You will have to go to a 4 throttle body set-up 1 for each cylinder. As well as have extensive porting on the head. Then you use a 4 to 1 header with open exhaust this along with extensive weight reduction is how most people achieve good times with all engine Honda's. V-tec is actually for gas mileage and not power, you remove the V-tec on a DOHC head and fix it to where all 16 valves are working at all times. I have worked on Hondas quite a bit I have a hopped up lil' CRX. Its no fun, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

12-08-2002, 04:46 PM	#9
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	my buddy in maryland has the fastyest steety honda in the world..its a 88 crx w/ turbo..9.7's at 150 with no wheelie bar __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

12-08-2002, 07:36 PM	#10
MidNiteBlu 5.0 I got something to say Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,557	They are expensive and require a motor swap of course. There are 12 sec CRX's out here that simply use a japanese spec B16 or B18. I dont know the exact specifics but it is more expensive than our cars by far. __________________ 91 LX Hatch 5.0 - made for the twisties 89 LX Hatchback 5.0 5spd. stolen/stripped 4/7/05 http://www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/...splay.cgi?3494 1987 Toyota Pickup Ricer Haters Club Member #33 Want a custom gauge cluster for your Vintage Mustang? www.jmeenterprises.com

12-08-2002, 09:45 PM	#11
Fox Body Mustang Maniac Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: GA, U.S.A Posts: 2,266	Thanks guys. You are pretty much confirming what I already knew. Thanks for the added info about the V-techs Dark_5.0. A friend of mine's been blabbing about how he's gonna build himself a 10sec honda for $7000 __________________ 351W-powered 1979 Ford Mustang Ghia notchback '79 Video @ Idle Stock 5.8L under 4" cowl 'glass hood, C4 w/ Transgo shift kit, Holley 750 cfm, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake; Fluidyne Al radiator, Flexalite 175 electric fan, 1 5/8" MAC shorty headers, FRPP Al driveshaft; S&W 6-point cage; 2.5" Off road H-pipe, 2-chamber Flowmasters, 8.8" Rear w/ 3.55s; Weld wheels (15x6;15x8), Front: 225/60/15, Rear: 275/50/15 Nitto NT 555R Drag Radials; 14 x 4” K&N X-stream air filter. '92 GT (5-speed) Small In Car Video Stock 5.0L, 2-chamber Flowmasters, MAC CAI, Tri-Ax, Al pedals... "Red, thou art my companion. Hasten now your quickened metamorphosis to Green that I may conquer all who dare abide there beside me. May they be left thither behind burnt black." ---Fox Body

12-08-2002, 10:22 PM	#12
BLACK85GT Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tampa,FLORIDA Posts: 340	maybe he meant 10 in the 1/8th? just a thought. __________________ 5.0, Holley heads, 1.7 Scorp Rockers, Stealth intake, Holley 600 carb, Holley Mech. Fuel pump, MSD 6Digital, MSD distributor, Hotchkis upper/lower rear control arms, FMS B Springs, 3:73 (8.8) rear. Production # 9,377

12-08-2002, 11:47 PM	#13
7SecYaRight Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 60	You could build a 10 sec honda with $7000...if you stole most of the parts.

12-09-2002, 04:29 AM	#15
7SecYaRight Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 60	there is no way in hell a civic will make it into 10's without atleast 3k in suspension work. I mean ****, i see race teams putting like 30k into their cars to make them hit low 9's

12-09-2002, 07:58 AM	#16
cyberstang5.0 347ci of HORSE POWER!!! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,416	The only way to get an Honda into the 10's with no more then 10K of cash is to drop in a V8

12-09-2002, 09:02 AM	#17
MEDIK418 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Amarillo, Texas, USA Posts: 780	Some guy I read about last year has a Saturn turning 9's. Saturn block and head, turbocharged and Lord knows what else. It is still FWD so ??? It's pushing over 400 horses. __________________ 1986 four-eyed LX coupe, 358 Cleveland, Tremec TKO600/centerforce clutch, dish cut Probe forged pistons, comp cams hyd.roller cam, .579/.588@224/230, Edel.performer, 670 holley street avenger, CPR custom built long tubes, ported and polished 4bbl heads, manley valves, beehive springs, MSD peo-billet dist/MSD6AL, fluidamper, 5 lug conv. with 17x8 bullits there's more but it's still not finished yet. Oh, and the oldest boy is turning his 89 GT into a FFR cobra this next summer.

12-09-2002, 09:15 AM	#18
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	The newer Saturn L sedan ( the larger one) is actually rear wheel drive, the same chasis as the Caddy Cetera or CTS, or the Aussie Holden Commadore ( the sedan with the T-56 and LS-1 or LS-6). They are avail with a V-6 but the real power builder is the base 4 cyl. This is the new GM Eccotec 2.2 L motor, only 145 hp in stock form. But if you read Car craft etc, according to GM this motor has enormous power potential. The stock bottom end can take almost 400 hp, and with aftermarket crank and rods and the stock block can hold over 600 hp. They made some drag Cavaliers that were still FWD. Don't know what this world is coming to, but slicks on a FWD car dont look right to me __________________ 2001 Crown Vic Maurader Airbox/MAF, DR chip Edel IAS shocks Single exhaust :wtf: 93 P-71 Vic interceptor Backup car now 90 5.0 LX Notch SOLD 74 Chevy Laguna type S-3 454 under construction Currently apart undergoing bodywork.

12-09-2002, 11:54 AM	#20
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	V-tec or Vtec or Vtech...........It doesnt matter, I dont claim to know so much. I only claim to have totaly rebuilt 2 VTEC engines. I was only offering up what I know and sharing my experience. I really do appreciate you finding and pointing out my grammatical error. Thanks for caring, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

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