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Old 12-22-2003, 11:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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4.10’s, FORD “B” springs, rebuilt AOD w/ shift kit, Flowmaster 3 chamber catback, off-road H, equal length shorties, adj. FPR, fender well CAI, pulleys, MSD 6al, MSD wires & coil, MSD in-car timing control knob, NOS kit currently jetted at 125hp.
In this form, (not spraying off the line) the car ran a 13.19 ET. On street tires.

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TwistedWedge heads, E cam, new timing set, new lifters, new 6.75” pushrods, CRANE 1.6 stud mount rollers, StreeHeat intake, 24lb. injectors, C&L 76mm MAM. T-Body & EGR plate are still stock.
After these mods, I can’t get the car to run properly. It’s overly rich, bogging and backfiring. It seemed fine for a lil while and then something went bad. With the stock H-pipe on(for emissions test), the first cat on drivers side seemed to be getting a dull red glow, so I put on the off- road. Suggestions made are: 1. dist. off 180 deg. (I don't think so because the car runs, just very poorly. Plus it ran decently for awhile after mods). 2. Air pump not working causing O2s to read incorrect. (I checked the discharge tube that goes into the exhaust, and it's blowing air). 3. I can't find any vacuum leaks. After I shut it off, it won't start for awhile (I'm assuming it gets flooded). What else can cause this? I'm desperate! If I can't fix it, it's going to be for sale!
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Old 12-22-2003, 11:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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whats your timing at?

whats your fuel pressure at?

changed plugs lately?

what heat range are they?
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Old 12-23-2003, 12:05 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Last time I had a glowing cat converter, it was a vacum leak.
Did you plug all the holes in the back of the heads?
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Old 12-23-2003, 12:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
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All holes are plugged; new, stock-range plugs installed with parts; FP was at 42 psi w/line off, timing at 14deg. I've been playing with both in infinite combos to no avail.
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Old 12-23-2003, 12:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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All holes are plugged; new, stock-range plugs installed with parts; FP was at 42 psi w/line off, timing at 14deg. I've been playing with both in infinite combos to no avail.
Now you say it just went bad all of a sudden, or was it kind-a-bad and just got alot worse all of a sudden?

What size injector?
What mass air flow sensor?
Is it calibrated for your injectors?
42psi....it should be 36-38 psi with no vacuum signal.
Did you check your idle air control valve?
Check engine light on?
Whats you T.P.S volt at idle?
Does it miss with or with out a load.
Let me know.
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Old 12-23-2003, 12:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Ohh.ohh,
Does it make a screech sound from the back of the engine then rpms jump up and down?
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Old 12-23-2003, 01:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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After assembling everything, it ran okay. Actually stronger on the top end than before, but it felt like it should've had more power. I figured it needed fine tuning. Then it started bucking and popping after about a week or so and gradually got to the point where I can't even drive it.

24lb injjectors w/ corresponding tube in C&L MAM.
F.P. at 42psi. w/ no vacuum signal( a lil high maybe, but when I turn it down now, the car wants to die out).
How do I check the IAC valve?
Check engine light comes on sometimes.
TPS was set at .99v a long time ago. Do I need to recheck it?
Before, it would only run bad under load,and off idle til about 2800 rpm. Now it does it even while idling.

I haven't noticed any screech sound, but when I rev it, it seems to take a while to wind back down to idle. Kind of a "rev-on" type deal.
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Old 12-23-2003, 01:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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After assembling everything, it ran okay. Actually stronger on the top end than before, but it felt like it should've had more power. I figured it needed fine tuning. Then it started bucking and popping after about a week or so and gradually got to the point where I can't even drive it.

24lb injjectors w/ corresponding tube in C&L MAM.
F.P. at 42psi. w/ no vacuum signal( a lil high maybe, but when I turn it down now, the car wants to die out).
How do I check the IAC valve?
Check engine light comes on sometimes.
TPS was set at .99v a long time ago. Do I need to recheck it?
Before, it would only run bad under load,and off idle til about 2800 rpm. Now it does it even while idling.

I haven't noticed any screech sound, but when I rev it, it seems to take a while to wind back down to idle. Kind of a "rev-on" type deal.
Yes, check your tps volts again, and take off your iac valve and clean it with carb cleaner or something.
Your engine is not making any noises right?
Your timing is set with the spout connector off right?
If your tps volt is at 1.0 volt or higher the computer will think your at part throttle and cause havoc.
Double check for vacuum leaks.
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Old 12-23-2003, 01:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Hey you said if you drop the fuel pressure below 42 pounds...it wanted to die out?
If true, your guage might be bad...crank it up some more to see if it likes it...If it does then most likley your guage is bad.
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Old 12-23-2003, 01:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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FP gauge is new, I cleaned the IAC valve out w/carb cleaner before reassembly, and timing was set with spout plug out. I'll check TPS voltage tommorow and maybe disonnect the MSD timing control knob. Maybe it went bad
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Old 12-23-2003, 08:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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If you used a freshly oile K&N filter you may have a contaminated MAF wire, or it may just need cleaning. Take alchohol and a q-tip and gently clean the sensor wires. It's cheap or free and it may cure your problem.
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Old 12-26-2003, 02:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I agree with tmoss, sounds like a mass air problem to me.
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Old 12-27-2003, 02:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Get a Pro-m mass air and your problems will be solved. I had this same problem this spring, got a new maf after trying everything else and it fixed the problem.
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Old 12-27-2003, 04:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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420nitro, what would that screetch sound be? i kind of hear that in mine. (not loud though)
also i like the last reply, the pro-m is a good part, i chunked my c&l for a pro-m and my car runs better than ever.
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Old 12-27-2003, 05:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I rechecked the TPS, and it was reading 1+ volts with the key on. I guess it moved a bit upon reinstallation of everything. I reset it to .99. The MAM was still clean with no oil on it, but I think it may be malfunctioning. I checked the voltage with the car idling, and it varied constantly between .7 and 1+ volts. It should not swing that much at idle right?
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