Lifting the front wheels..
 

I have a 1990 notchback with a 306 on nitrous and it made 325 hp and 370 ft lbs of torque at the wheels and i wondering what i need to do or if i can bring the front wheels of the ground. I don't care if it is even an inch i just want to pull them up. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Brian

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90/10s nothing else

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Its a little more complex than 90/10's.

Auto or 5 speed?

Do you run slicks?

Do you have sub frame connectors?

What gears are you running?

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Weight transfer, you could do it with a stock stang if the suspension is setup right. Battery in thr trunk? Remove front steel bumber mounts, remove, smog, remove a/c, 90/10's on the front, some good traction out back, subframes, fiberglass hood. 5-speed=launch hard, pop clutch, auto=trans brake? Good luck.

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Slicks & drag suspension. But as the others said, you'll definitely need subframe connectors to help the car from twisting when launching at 5,000-6,000rpms.

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A jack or ramps.

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I have a T-56 six speed, sub frame connectors, 3:73 gears, smog delete, a/c delete, power steering delete, fiber glass hood, and slicks on the way.

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and the battery is in the trunk also.

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Now just get some 90/10s front struts & 50/50 shocks in back & full on drag springs...& there's a chance you could see a little air under the front left tire...

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alright i'll get some of those. Thanks guys

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What did I say?

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Suspension, suspension, suspension. To really do it right, you have to relocate the body mount of the upper control arm about 1-1.5" lower to give the car an isntant center that it can work on. The stock Mustang suspension has NO instant center, and adding replacement control arms does not change that.

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i believe that s-box or stang-box or what that that one company sellls that replaces the factory upper control mounts allows you to lower the upper attachment point

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I've never heard of relocating the upper control arms to a lower position for better suspension geometry?? Does anyone know the name of this company, or better yet, have a link?

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Here is a graphic that will help you see. The blue line is the modified line creating the instant center - the upper red line is the original line creatred by the orientation of the upper control arm centers.

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Where the IC needs to be it totally dependent on the weight bias. Moving the UCA body mounting point down will actually help to keep the front end down.

Right now the Strange adjustable shocks and struts are the best pieces out there, for the money. I run AFCO rears, but they are $370 each. Get some decent shocks and struts, and move as much weight to the rear as you can. Get a slick and run minimal tire pressure. Choose a lauch rpm that wont bog and wont spin the tires. Get your car to dead hook and it will lift the front tires. It might not be fast that way, but it should pick the fronts up.

Andy

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Yeah, what he said! Lowering the front control arms actually makes the front wheels have to travel FARTHER to get off the ground.

Get the suspension tuned up for starters. Rear control arms would be my first stop. Stockers just flex waaaaay too much. Some good slicks, and well thought out launch RPM, and sidestep the clutch.

Keep 2 things in mind. Yanking the wheels sure looks cool, but it's not the fastest way down the track. Going "up" is wasted motion, the best times/speed come from going "forward". The other thing to remember, when launching a car hard enough to hang the hoops, you WILL find the weak spot in your driveline! ;)

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My comment was "how to do it right", not how to put on a show. But his question was about putting on a show. Lowering control arms does not correlate to how far the wheels have to travel, it's about how the suspension acts on transferring weight from an instant center and center of gravity.

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Yes, thats exactly right Tom. But with a 50/50 weight bias the stock pick-up points 'can' work. Its going to depend on your ride height though. Once you start getting more than 51 on the rear, thats when the advantages of the UCA relocaters really become evident.

Andy

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i don't have some aftermarket rear controls arms, and i'm not really worried about making the fastest time down the strip all i want to do is put on a show. If a get that shit on video tape that is all i'm worried about, thanks for all the inputs guys this is great, keep them coming. nice wheelie andy669

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Put 2 of your friends in the trunk and launch it off of the rev limiter with as much nitrous as you can throw at it. You should be pulling them pretty hard that way

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Yeah, ONCE. LMAO!

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since i just want to put on a show and get it on video you guys think i would have any better luck doing on it on a hill.

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If all you want is the show, screw the hill. Put 7.50 gears in her, and hold on!

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Put on a show???? I hope you dont think you will pop a wheelie like andy. You will probably only get about 2-6 inch of daylight under the tires tops. The best way to pull the wheels is with some real good sticky slicks and nitrous right off the line. Even then it wont be enough of a lift to put on a show. Andy launches his car at 8000 rpms and has 500HP. It takes big money to get where he is at.

To put it in perspective for you. I have every thing imaginable bolted on my car. I cant even think of anything alse to buy.

I have the a/c, power steering, smog pump, front sway bar removed and aluminum heads wich weigh about 50 lbs less than the stockers.

I put 4 banger springs in the front. Upper and lower control arms , sub frame connectors and an air bag in the passenger side right spring, 3.73 gears and hoosier slicks. My car puts 300HP to the wheels and I launch it at 5000rpms. I pull mid 1.6 60ft's and still do not lift the wheels. not even one wheel.

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DARK!, calm down. As you say I, I, I. Well that is you. I (me) can pull the tires (2) with just a 1.78 60ft. I can really get some light with a 1.54. The new set up is so close, can't wait to see the air now. Each set up is differant, even though we are all close to the same. Lets just encourage him and wait to see what time brings.

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dam i would love to pull at 1.7 or 1.6 60ft time. the best i have ever done was a 2.0. i messed up on an earlier post i do have upper and lower controls. I know i'm not going to pull the wheels more than i few inches and i don't really care about that.

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It's all about the setup. I was down in the 1.73 60' times (old motor) and never lifted anything. Darn close, but it just hooked and went instead of lifting.

Like everyone's been saying, lighten up the front, good stickys out back, 8,000 RPM and side step the clutch. :D

You DO realize you're gonna break a bunch of $hyt trying this, right? Stocker parts aren't gonna hold up to that kind of abuse bro.

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A 2.0 60' time? I hope that's on a street radial?! Get some slicks, some drag springs & 90-10 front struts...and launch with the juice. Put 9psi. in the slicks. Do a huge 'ol smokey burnout. That should get ya some air under the left front tire I'd imagine.

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LOl., I guess I have wheelie envy. I never understood why my car never pulled the wheels. I havent launched it since the 4 banger front springs so who knows.

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You need drag suspension to get the wheels up. Slicks & horsepower aren't enough. I'm in the same boat. I'd love to pull the left front wheel...but I don't know if I'm ready to sacrifice the ride quality on the street and go for full on drag suspension. Launching on nitrous, at 5,000rpms...I've turned a 1.58 60'. I haven't pulled a wheelie...but the left front tire was pretty close to seeing air under it. My Eibach lowering springs are killing me.

Decisions...decisions...

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yea those 2.0s where on a street tire

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In 92 when I first got the ol grinch, I used to talk like that. A fella that I met would sell parts to me as he upgraded. I would say stuff like, ''boy I wish my car would leave like yours''. He explained this to me. Make up your mind as to what you want, and you will never utter those words again. I didn't look back. My car leaves, and I can drive it to California. Mabey not as comfortable as the rest of you but I will get there.