He asked for our honest opinions, he got them. Should we lie to make him feel better about this project?

If he wants to do it so bad, why doesnt he just do it? why come here and ask our opinions at all?

A Ls1 in a police car? I think the Ls1's first year was what, 98'? Chevy hasnt made any police cruisers in a long time. They all drive Ford crown victorias now since GM discontinued the rear wheel drive caprice, which was a few years ago.

Why do we think LS1's are junk? Well, most of us have had bad experiences with GM products and have sworn them off forever. It may be a good motor. Ill admit GM used to make some decent cars and motors, been that was around 28 years ago.

The point was its not worth it for the 300 horspower alone, with the additional costs of the installation, when you can drop a ford in there with more power , easier , and cheaper.

That is our opinion, which is WHAT HE ASKED FOR, in case you missed that part srv1.

I personally dont care if he wants to sandwich a kenworth diesal in a stang. whatever gets him through the day.

There are LS-1 Z28 Police cars....Oklahoma has 15 OHP LS-1's.

One OHP LS-1 driver lives in a house I pass on my way into work every day. I talked to him once at the store. He said that they have a 350 hp package....I dunno, I don't pay much attention to the police packages.

I do know that a news channel around here had a clip of one catching a C5 on the Turnpike in a high speed chase. The helicopter had to pull back because of speed restrictions, so maybe....maybe more??

The funny thing to that story is that they spike stripped the wrong car earlier in the pursuit. I was rollin!!

Hey Dan...I love the website, but I think you should change it to www.UNIT5302vs1BAD89.com??? what do you think??? :D

***I bet they are all dynoing 315rwhp reliably in your GM Magazines 315rwhp = 380hp at the crank.

No just on a dyno. I'm not stating magazine facts, like some people.:p

***Oh, and about the girl. No. The boyfriend didn't have an LS1.
If he did, the car wouldn't have been her boyfriend, like your LS1 is your girlfriend.

Riiggghhtt...And who's the one that can't keep a girl? LOL, not I my friend.


***If I see an invincible LS1 on the street, I beat it. Then come back here and post the kill, generally.

"LIL UNI" EVERYONE knows that an (your)87 GT with stock gears, and dynomax mufflers, and an offroad H-pipe, can't take a stock LS1, especially an auto., and I haven't once bashed mustangs on here. Vipers have alot more torque and are a completely diff. car. that would explain the higher trap speed. AT the track, the 02's are running high 12's at 108-110, I don't get why that is so hard to understand. You've never seen it at a track, because you never go. Saleen your right sometimes, it's just every time he talks crap, no-one ever says anything and they just let it go , except me. We are all good people here, but we all have different opinions. I believe LiL Uni starts alot of sh*t though, then LiL Uni always says I bash mustangs, I have not once done that. It's the internet what can I say? Off the computer me and Unit would probaly get along well.

I always try and look at every side of a discussion. And I do see everybody's point. It would be like someone saying they want to put a modular motor in a camaro on a camaro site. Your going to get some bad replys. Or a Ford 347 in an S-10. my reply to that would be WTF would you want to do that? I do see your guy's point of view. But I guess the reason my opinion is different is because I kinda look at them(Camaro, mustang) as equal, and it isn't a name thing to me, it's a car thing. A motor is a motor to me, yeah it might be a ford or a chevy, but if it's fast, then it has my approval. I really like them both. It basically comes to what you've been brought up around, and what your used to. If your a diehard ford guy, or a diehard chevy guy then that's cool. But what if you were in between? I've had pretty good experiences with both of them. I like them both. I mean if someone wanted to put a Viper motor in an mustang, would anyone bi*ch because it's a dodge motor? I really doubt it, maybe a few?.....It's just a powerful motor....I don't know I have mixed feelings about the whole discussion now...:confused:, see ya:confused:

Unit, how about we stop with the personal attacks? I'm not an "Okie" well i guess i am from Oklahoma, so are you are "Minni"? LoL. :D We are all good people here, no need to bash anyone. It seems like we go a little and we are cool with each other, then a topic comes up about an LS1 and I reply, then you say I bash mustangs, and etc...I still don't understand where you get that from, and what is this sh!t about me going to the female forum and posting I sold my stang, and posting over there all the time? I think I've posted maybe a total of 5 times over there, and I wasn't aware that anyone was particulary fond of me there, and I don't think they are, so where are you getting that from? I don't have any hard feelings towards you, it's just the internet...... :D Sometimes I just think about why everyone is ******ng and calling people names, etc.. and it all seems trivial and stupid to me. Yes I know, I do it to, but only when provoked.

I agree, its easy to get caught up in all the name calling and really lose sight of the logical debate, or even why the thread started in the first place. This in turn, turns into a lot of wasted cyberspace and time for everyone.

However, one thing remains perfectly clear.... Chevys suck! :)

just having fun with ya, peace.

Can't we all just get along.
Unit you can kiss my.....oh wait nevermind. No threats. I feel this thread has turned into one from Ls1.com or the import sites. Nothing but childish remarks. I hope it doesn't turn into a trend because I sure as hell will not post here anymore if it continues and thats something I have enjoyed for a while.

The 4.6L (281 ci) Cobra engine puts out about 320hp while the LS1 with 5.7L and (350 ci) puts out about the same amount (No, it doesn't put out 300hp at the rear wheels. More like 280 HP). A 351W with basic bolt-ons can easily make well over 400 normally aspirated HP at the crank. There would be fewer headaches and in the end would probably cost less. The engine would probably last much longer, too.

As far as durability, any car that is maintained as well as a police car is and is driven a lot of miles everyday will of course be able to put a lot of miles on the ticker before it goes south. I really doubt that there are 200k mile LS1s that were driven by backward-hat-wearing 18 year-olds who think they're playing Grand Tourismo on the highway. There are, however, a lot of 200k mile Mustangs that are beaten on by their owners and just keep running and running.

Like I said before, if it's a deal, get it and put it in a hot rod kit car or some other car that it will easily fit in, but if you want a fast Mustang, get a 351W or supercharger for a lot less money and more power for less money and headaches.

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LS1, LT1, whatever it was that was in the cop cars, they are durable. i dont know about anyone here, but i used to work on the cop cars. you ever rack up 100,000 miles in 2yrs on your car? tell me that isnt severe usage! i know what these cops put them through. the point is that its reliable motor, LT1 and LS1. i think some of you are too intimitated by other makes. there probably 1000 reason why, but who cares. anyone can put 351 in a fox body around here. try something new for a change. yeah like a 4.6 2 or 4v. maybe a jet motor, but at least someone has the balls to try it!
he asked for you opinion, not a rude remark. poor guy asks a simple question and he cant even get a simple answer. if i knew, i would tell him, but i dont.

LOL, good lord srv1, you make a pretty bold statement here. LT-1, LS-1, whatever, it was good, lol, that's a riot. You're talking about 2 completely different engines. Since 1 was good (in your opinion), that the other one would be too?

The LS1 is unproven. If it follow suit with it's predecessor's, it will be dropping power fast at 100k. It's stock valvetrain is iffy, and with 10.5:1 compression, it's peak performance life would seem to be questionable.

Not to be rude, but I think you need to take another look at what you're saying. The cop cars get stringent maintenance, have few cold starts, and in the LS1's case is usually assigned to highway patrols which put TONs of very very easy highway cruisin miles on them. Jumping a car up to 80 or a 100mph every once and a while if needed isn't gonna do much. Being driven as a race car everywhere it goes will. Yeah, they get driven, sometimes hard. Do you really think it's harder than a kid beats on his old 5.0L that hasn't had an oil change in 10,000mi?

Jimberg, *** (No, it doesn't put out 300hp at the rear wheels. More like 280 HP).

My buddies have all dyno'd 300+rwhp stock, auto's being slightly lower and M6's being higher, I dyno'd at 304rwhp in my stock SS. So what does that mean, oh yeah it means LS1's only dyno at 280 like you said....Damn your soo right, but you know what everyones car dyno's! lol. I hate to say it but "most" LS1's put 300+rwhp down. A few being maybe slightly lower, but the majority is 300+. I don't know where your getting this 280 sh!t from?

lol...how does 100,000 miles in two years equate to severe useage? You dont have a clue. If you drive 50,000 easy miles, its not severe useage just because it happens in one year. That actually would be less severe useage, as it means less cold starts, like unit said, which means less engine wear.

My freind had a 95 'T/A with the LT1, and that car was definately worthy of being called a GM product, as it broke down constantly, leaving him stranded continuously, with several tow truck bills. He was a mechanic, and maintained the car meticuously. It had 2 or more oil leaks at the same time often, and would just stop running on him with electronic problems. Even the dealer couldnt fix it. He traded it in on a Honda accord because he was so frustrated with it. He bought an old but somewhat more reliable Monte Carlo to play with, a 79'.

How many people with 5.0 or 4.6 mustangs do you know who traded them in on a Honda because they were unreliable? None. Yeah, thats what I thought.

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A jet motor in a mustang? To even seriously consider that is ridiculous.

Mach, how would you know what severe usage is? your not a automotive mechanic by occupation, are you? i know your an airplane technician. besides, Georgia is mostly flat compared to NY and your temperatures dont change as drastically as it does up here. look i worked on the police vehicles and i DO know what severe is. did you ever maintenence a cop car? and no, unlike there, they just dont drive highways all the time. so the car idles half of the time and then they run the piss out of it by hammering on the gas, then stopping really fast. do this alot to any vehicle, and would call it severe duty. another example of how severe they on these cars, is that we had to replace the front pads every 6000 miles! then the rear rear pads every 8000 miles. if you can STILL tell me that isnt an example of SEVERE duty, then please give me an example.

Unit. sometimes hard? do you sevice any police cars? i dont know what you do for a living, so i cant say. but you think cops just "cruise" around all the time? maybe in MN they do, which i wouldnt know, but up here they dont. yeah they are stict on the maintenence, but its up to the officer who is driving the car for that day to make sure that if the car is shceduled to be maintained, to go and get it done. the cops are busy and the mileage overlaps. and here the state doesnt change the oil every 3000 miles, its 5000 miles it gets changed! so just think, if they forget or put off the maintence, it hits 6000 miles or a little over until they get the next oil change. that goes for the Tahoes, and the Crown Vic! you still gunna tell me that isnt severe duty also? you live in a cold climate area, you should know!

as for the LT1/LS1, i was trying to get my point across, not prove what vehicle had which motor! i dont get much into the performance of the chevy's cause i dont own any GM's if i had a Camaro or had one i could tell you more. but for right now i own a Ford, so i research on that. if i get a Camaro, i will do the same.

you guys gotta relax. its not like someone is telling you that Fords are the worst vehicles and others are better, you guys are just taking it the wrong way. your getting all defensive over NOTHING!

Every Z28 highway patrol I have ever seen, has been driving the it hard. And come on guys, I think a guy that services them would know how they hold up? That is just stupid to tell him he's wrong. We all need to just lighten up and realize how dumb these arguments are getting.

***My freind had a 95 'T/A with the LT1, and that car was definately worthy of being called a GM product, as it broke down constantly, leaving him stranded continuously, with several tow truck bills.

Was it brand new? I've heard that the opti-spark? is junk on the used LT1's. It all depends on the car, my stang has left me stranded so many times, but you have to expect that in an older car. I still love her though! But a 95 T/A is about 8 years old(because they usually come out a little bit earlier) so you could probaly expect problems also. Unless it was brand new, and then I guess he just got a lemon or something?

srv1, it would appear you know the textbook definition of severe service. Now the question is, can you tell my why the textbook says what it does? You obviously don't know.

A cold weather climate is considered severe because of heat up and cool down cycles. Not because it's cold outside. When the car is cold, the engine gets a very rich mixture, which has a tendency not to burn completely, and mix with the oil. That washes out some of the oils ability to lubricate. Furthermore, upon cold starts after sitting long, oil pressure drops to zero, the oil becomes thick and slow. When the car is then started, you have no oil pressure, which wears on the contact surfaces of the engine.

Now, LS1 powered police cars (all Fbodies and Corvette's if there are any of those in duty) are not generally subject to most of that contamination, or wear. They don't get started from cold frequently, and they aren't running cold very long.

So the police are on the brakes hard a lot. For a highway patrol car they stop hard, and make quick turnarounds. Last I checked, stopping hard has very little to do with engine wear. Accelerating hard does, but would be limited by safe pursuit speeds. Most of the time the highway patrol Camaro's and Firebird's are not in a severe duty cycle on the engine.

5000 miles is the recommended interval, then, fine. There is something else you might want to look at. Why it's rated at 3000 or 5000 or whatever. Contamination is the chief reason oil is changed. Contamination from burning fuel, unburned fuel, from the intake charge, etc. Most of which comes from cold running, and some from internal wear. If those are minimized, so is the contamination of the oil.

Oh yes, and quit whining about idling, it hasn't been nearly the big deal it used to be. Cars run WAY cleaner at idle than their predecessor's and oils and oiling systems are better as well.

unit is right........
 

he's right im wrong. lets get it over with. bla bla bla. do you feel better now? forget about it! i think FOSTANG got his answer. later.:eek:

srv1 - just for your information, I have lived in New York, Pennslyvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and georgia. I know what cols weather is. I also was an auto mechanic for several years.

Since you service police cars your an expert...lol. Dont assume what I know because of some limited information available about me that you got from the web page. That doesnt say much for you, does it?

So waiting to change the oil from 5,000 to 6,000 miles turns it into severe useage?...I think not.

You originally said that 50,000 miles a year was severe useage, and thats the point that I challenged. Funny you didnt have a comment on that one, just started rambling on about brake wear, blah, blah....come back when you have a clue.

I dont know anything about opti-spark. The car had mass air meter problems for one thing. You say its because it is 8 years old, but what you dont know is im talking about a few years ago. He had this car when it was 2 years old, and sold it when it was 4 years old. and how do you figure a 95 to be 8 years old? Thats pushing it a little bit. The car in question wanst close to 8 years old, and even it it was, that is unacceptable. Your not trying to justify a car 8 years old falling apart because it 8 years old, are you? Maybe for GM owners this is expected. By the way, the person who bought it off of Hondas used car lot blew the motor up in a couple weeks, lost oil pressure I believe. The car was a piece of ****, and it was the infamous LT-1, so Im not impressed. Maybe it was a lemon, most GM's are. It was fairly quick though. It ran high 13's on street tires, it was an automatic, and mostly stock.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

I thought you were leaving this post? What happened? Took some english lessons and came back I see. "blah, blah, blah"...by far the most intelligent thing you have said yet. Keep up the good work.

wow, I'd think I'd be here for a while trying to read everyones comment, so I'll just make my comment short and sweet...
a ls1 is a paperwieght for your desk at work, and a 351w stroked to a 408 would do much better.

1BAD89, I just went through the whole process of typing out a long message explaining why I said 280hp, but in the process I realized that the numbers you are giving and the numbers I am giving are based on the application of the LS1 and not the LS1 itself. The problem is that when you're discussing RWHP it depends on where the engine is. Is the car a manual, automatic? Is it breathing from the fenderwell or the hood? Etc. Your SS, for example, breaths through the hood which is probably much less restrictive than where the Z28 breaths. GM does rate the SS as having 15 more HP than the Z28.

Crank and Chrome did a show where they installed a K&N induction upgrade on a 2000 Corvette. The Corvette only made 265hp as the baseline. It had an automatic tranny. It gained 21 HP by adding the induction system. Another 10 by using a power programmer.

They also did a show on a 1998 Z28. It baselined at 300hp. They say it was stock, which the engine was, but I bet it has air box and filter upgrades which would account for the extra 20HP.

Maybe the way the LS1 breaths in Fostang's Mustang may allow it to have more horsepower than a SS, but I still believe it would be more beneficial and easier to install a 351W. Ford has crate motors that make 385HP out of the box and would pretty much drop right into a Mustang.

I had the opportunity to read your message that you edited to say "Blah, Blah, Blah" (I Wish Dan would turn message editing off). You mentioned the idea of putting a Viper engine in a Mustang and that nobody would complain about it. To be honest, I'm not that impressed by an engine that is 488ci and only puts out 450 hp. A Ford 460 Cobra Jet crate motor will put out 535 HP/530 FT-LBs and will fit in a lot easier than a Viper engine. Once again, it would be more cost effective to use the Ford engine. What impresses me about the Viper is the overall package. That 460 could easily propel a Mustang to 190mph, but I'd feel much better doing 190 in a Viper.

I don't appreciate the sarcasm.

Great post Jimberg. Its about time somebody posted the true facts. That ford big block crate motor rules, dont it? If only I had a lot of money.......by the way, I think the GM big block (500 CI)with EFI only dynoed at 350 HP, pretty pathetic.

I agree, it would be much easier to put a 514 crate motor in a mustang. It would be alot faster too! The SS induction doesn't really add much of anything over the Z28. All the LS1 owners know that, but I do like the way the hood looks over the reg. Z. The airbox's are the exact same on both cars also. My car is an automatic, all stock right done to the air filter. But I've also heard of some LS1's dyno'ing 280, so I think it just depends on the car and the dyno, but most that I have seen have dyno'd 300+rwhp stock, especially the 2002's. Yeah Crank and Chrome's dyno numbers have always been really low on most of the things they've dyno'd, stangs etc...I think GM's Big block "crate" motors are pretty sorry. One of the shows did a dyno test on Ford, chevy, and another BB. And this was the RAM JET 502, the brand new one, supposedly rated at 510hp? it dyno'd at like 345rwhp?, and the ford 460 I think was like 495rwhp?. Those numbers are pretty close I think, it's been a while since I've seen the show. But I would asolutely love to have a 514 crate motor, 600+hp ahhhhhh.....I think the "PERFECT CAR" would be a Cobra Replica with a carbed 514+a Tremec TKO II. Something like 2100lbs. and 600+hp , mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

I had a pretty long post written, and then I was like what is the point of arguing about this? Then I went back and just put Blah, blah, blah.

1bad, i thought you were done with this thread, just couldnt take it huh? well im not here to argue, i dont have any problems with noone, but i have a "severe duty" police pakage, i beat on it still, dps used these 5.0's, now they use ls1's, big deal, ther is a sherrif that lives by be that has a policed'd out 00 GT, it's pretty cool, even sounds like he has some flows on it:)


1bad, an ss will make about 10-15 more hp cuz of the ramair, dont you think? great, so you dyo 300 rwhp:rolleyes:


are you done now quoting everyone, then having your little comments after each quote? lame...

WTF is your problem? You just like to start sh!t huh? And NO an SS doesn't make 10-15hp more than a Z28. I think I would know. Go to LS1.com and ask everyone, they'll set you straight. All the LS1 guys know the SS "ram air" is not worth any extra HP. For people that don't know much about the LS1'S, Z28'S/SS's, they think the SS has more hp, but it really doesn't. Both cars will see a much better improvement over stock with a FTRA(FAST TOYS RAM AIR). By the way I didn't dyno 300rwhp, I dyno'd 304rwhp. But thanks anyway.

**1bad, i thought you were done with this thread, just couldnt take it huh?

I thought I'd chime in, and set your dumba$$ straight. :p Your posts are just too funny , your so angry but why? LOL.

***are you done now quoting everyone, then having your little comments after each quote? lame...

No not yet....:p :rolleyes: :D
How far is San antonio away from Tulsa? Because I'd be more than willing to take a trip down there with any one of my 3 vehicles(you can pick if you'd like?) and shut you the fugg up. :D Send me a PRIVATE MESSAGE if you want to talk sh!t, I'm sure everyone doesn't want to read your BS, so save em some time, and PM me. Appreciate it.

Calm down, geez, i said i didnt have any problems with anyone, there you go quoting me again, then having your little gay comments, no i dont like starting sh1t, why do you get that?

ok 304 rwhp, sorry i made a mistake about you ss, in a stang site?? so who cares? no one else is? and tulsa is, i assume not much further than dallas, but come on down here partner, i never said i could beat an ss, i know i cant, maybe if they miss a gear, but better yet, you can race my friends 85 coupe, we call him the "ls1 punisher", his sig on another site, says "I love those new style headlights on the f-bod...in my rearview" lol...bring it on


you will like the new ihra track we have, its like 1-2 yrs old, and hooks up crazy, i'll be glad to give you directions, but you wont show, your scared.

I just said I put 304rwhp down because people are saying that all LS1's dyno 280. I'm not scared. I'll bring my S-10, if that's ok? My SS really isn't my racer, it's just my daily driver for now.
How's he like to look at two Big M/T's? Because that's all he's going to see. I'll quote you as much I want to. :p

I forgot to ask. When you got the 304rwhp, what do you define as "stock"? Did you have a K&N or any little mods like that?

God damn it Okieboy! I forgot to tell you to shut the hell up didn't I? The SS doesn't make any more power dispite a better induction system, and a better exhaust (I thought the exhaust system was where these LS1's pick up so much power)? The only reason the idiots over at LS1.com won't admit an SS makes more power is they have SS and WS6 envy. A Mustang cannot beat an LS1 over there either. You think you can quote that slophole of a site here as credible? Last time I checked in there stock LS1 Fbodies were beating down Ferrari F355's on the top end past 120mph :rolleyes:

You lose argument after argument after argument. Once you lose, you say you're leaving, then you come back with another bullshit idea to argue about. It gets old. You know jack about almost every topic you try to bring up. Just like the kind of block to use with a 347 stroker topic that you were talking out your *** on. You had no clue. I had to correct about 4 of the 5 things you said. What if people actually listened to you? They'd all be driving around blown up, Chevy powered, clapped out MG's or something.

STOP ALL THIS SH*T
 

DAMN THIS SH*T TALKING IS GETTING SO PREVALENT AND ANNOYING. Everyone just needs to stop with their super egos and hear each other out.
All this sh*t talking that happens on almost every thread is really stupid and a waste of everyones time and energy. Who cares what type of engine is in what kind of car? If you want to be a hot rodder go right ahead. I have seen so many 30's and 40's Ford hot rods with Chevy engines in them and others. I've even seen a old Beetle with a 426 Hemi in it. That was bad a**. O yeah, I don't know if someone said this before but hipocrite is actually HYPOCRITE. This coming from a 17 year old High School student who according to most of you older people means that I wear a hat backwards and drive "Gran Tourismo" style on the freeway. OK LOL :D .

Now most of you people seem to know a lot more than I do about cars so put your time to good use and help people who have problems rather than saying someone bashes Mustangs just because they own cars that aren't Fords. Oh yeah. I haven't seen one thread where 1BAD89 dissed Mustangs. Just stop.

Later,

Nick

All stock, no K & N, nothing at all. Just like it came from the factory. On the hypocrite thing, I accidently forgot the E, big deal. I won't comment on what Unit said other than this. This is way too funny. Ahahahaha.

***By the way, you spelled hipocrit wrong, Okieboy, it's hipocrite.

I bet LiL Uni, dances around and says I'm so smart, S-M-R-T.

So what gives the ss more hp? the exhaust? if not, then what you pay extra for, for the body style? just curious.

BTW, how big 'uh boy are you? you ever had a good country a$$ whippin? lol:D j/k, just thought since your from tulsa, maybe you heard of "Roy D Mercer", thats what he says lol.

I just don't share your vision..

Why don't you do something really cool like put a Briggs&Stratton in a Harley or something, Dude now that would rule... man this is some good sheeiot. whoa dude

I go back to N.Y. where I'm from and there is allot of guys running a chev.350 in a mustang and it works for them. I would rather see a ford with a ford motor and a chev. with a chev. motor. Its just wierd to see is all.

I also have seen a few 350's in mustangs too, but I don't like it.

Call me silly, but I think this guy in question will be mentaining his car better than the 18y/o. Especially since he did all the work putting that motor in.

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I suggest you read ANY post on the stock performance of any Mustang. If Okieboy posted on it, it will be some wacked out time a second slower than what it really is. Then he'll begin babbling on about how unbelievably fast his LS1 is, and how no Mustang without major mods could ever touch it, and if it did have the mods to hang with the LS1 through the 1/8, he'd be blowing it away after that. If it could possibly beat his LS1 (which takes a 10sec Mustang), then it's gotta be a tubbed out, unstreetable vehicle, and then he simply points out how much faster and badder his S-10 is. :rolleyes:

I don't have to be the fastest guy on the boards, that's good, 'cause just like him, I'm not.

BTW, I for some reason had a brain fart; maybe I was looking at your spelling error, Okieboy?

Putting a 350 Chevy into a Mustang is stupid. Why not put an engine in worth a ****? Maybe they are redneck's that have never seen an engine other than a 350 Chevy? They might not know that there are other engines out there. My dad had a '46 Buick engine in a '46 Ford back in the 50's that he ran low/mid 13's with. Do I think that was cool? Not especially, but for me those older cars are street rod material so it's not as offensive. They may not have been so old back then, but too early for me to care. I'm so damn tired of seeing 350's in everything. They are actually dumb enough to put 350's in to ******* motorcycles now. The POS is known as a Boss Hoss. My friend makes money off dynoing the damn things all the time. Just sickening. Ever try to lift one of those heaps up after it falls off the dyno?

It has to do with the first 15k put on the engine, and the idea the special service LS1's are severe service vehicles that get beat on far more than the average LS1. It has nothing to do with how Fostang will be maintaining it.