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jimberg 06-14-2001 01:47 PM

Just so you know what kind of time spans we're talking about here. At 1000 rpms, it takes the crank .06 secs to make a revolution. If advance is at 10 degrees it's about 0.0017 seconds of explosion time we're talking about. At 6000 rpms, it would take 62 degrees of advance to allow that much time, but with the speed and heat being generate, total advance can only be little more than half of that.

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

[This message has been edited by jimberg (edited 06-14-2001).]

TJR 06-14-2001 02:54 PM

jimberg....That's a lot of info, I had to read it twice to catch everything I missed the first time http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif.

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1989 lx notch
89,000 miles
bolt-ons,stock heads/cam
60'- 2.07, 8.90@78, 13.93@99

jimberg 06-14-2001 03:24 PM

I just hope it's useful info. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

MiracleMax 06-15-2001 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimberg:
Just so you know what kind of time spans we're talking about here. At 1000 rpms, it takes the crank .06 secs to make a revolution. If advance is at 10 degrees it's about 0.0017 seconds of explosion time we're talking about. At 6000 rpms, it would take 62 degrees of advance to allow that much time, but with the speed and heat being generate, total advance can only be little more than half of that.


don't forget though, combustion chamber shape and volume, rod/stroke ratio, spark plug location, piston shape, ect. effects the total timing needed

I had a shop teacher adamantly maintain that no engine could be revved past 6,000 rpm or so (yeah rite!) since his calculations were based on a steady state burn (gasoline),
unfortunately he didn't any other variables in account when he did the math!

For a high RPM engine, a small chamber with a good R/S ratio is desirable, along with a port/chamber design which promotes good fuel atomization/homogezination.

a. a small chamber reduces the time it takes to burn the A/F mixture across the chamber
b. a high r/s ratio creates more piston dwell time at TDC
c. highly atomized and homoginized fuel tends to burn more rapidly.

jimberg 06-15-2001 09:54 PM

Right, the timing isn't linear for another very obvious reason. By compressing the gases faster at higher RPM you generate more heat which will cause detonation earlier and earlier.

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

Mach 1 06-16-2001 09:47 AM

jimberg - how is the timing being non-linear (advances with rpm) going to discourage detonation?

jimberg 06-16-2001 12:27 PM

Sorry. That was unclear. Advance in degrees can be linear in relation to rpms, but advance in an actual time interval would not be. e.g. The 0.0017 seconds in above example.

The faster you compress a gas, the more heat will be generated since there is less time to dissipate the heat. This extra heat will add to the potential for detonation.


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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

Unit 5302 06-16-2001 03:53 PM

I think jimberg's been readin a lotta physics lately. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif

Mach 1 TFS added me to the payroll 3 months ago, they keep telling me the check's in the mail, but for some reason, it always get's lost? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/tongue.gif

Mach 1 06-16-2001 10:48 PM

Yeah, the old "check is in the mail story"...heard it a hundred times myself...lol.

I think Jimberg is confusing himself......

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1993 GT/AOD
'93 Mustang GT

RobertD 06-17-2001 09:52 PM

Trick Flows it is....

Thanks!

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Robert
91GT; 88 ASC McLaren #709

Zack87GT 01-13-2005 03:32 PM

Re: My head choice dilema...
 
Have you thought about AFR heads? Edelbrock is an excellent choice as well!!

andy669 01-13-2005 04:46 PM

Re: My head choice dilema...
 
This thread is 3 1/2 years old. Whatever he decided, I'm sure its a done deal my now. :lol:

Andy

Rev 01-15-2005 03:30 PM

Re: My head choice dilema...
 
I use TFTW heads and couldn't be happier. I have enough low end torque to smoke the tires with a C-4/3.25. I don't know what I would do with anymore low end torque. One other good thing about the TFTW, is that they have a raised valve cover rim that allows using roller rockers with poly-locks and still be able to use stock height valve covers.

On the other hand, I've heard that the AFR 165 heads are "kick ass" in the torque and power department. I think I would have been just as happy with those too.

Rev

Hozer 88GTConv 01-16-2005 12:23 PM

Re: My head choice dilema...
 
Another vote for TW's...
Man, do I love them! Especially w/ 3.73's, but my neighbors for some reason don't appreciate them nearly as much. :D


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