Need help, got spanked by a ricer.
 

I need some cheap easy upgrades that i can do with out messing with the comp. This D*** little Mitsubitchy eclipse GST beat me once i got into fourth gear. I had him off the line but once i got into fourth he passed me with ease, smoke and all (LOL thats my only consolidation is that he passed me while a nice black smoke was coming out the muffler) I guess you could say he "smoked" me. I need something to shut up these little rice burners they got the turbos boostin so much you can hear them boostn amile away. I beat a Grand Prix GT no prob but these darn ricers are becoming a problem in this town and they need to be shown some AMERICAN MUSCLE.

Rice poison...
 

Get a set of gears for your stang and leave most of them in the dust. If you want to get more serious, I would bolt on a good set of heads and a better intake.

If I were you I would not worry about iridium plugs and get some gears. Do you have an auto or manual?
Ray

manual. Im thinking about getting a Pro 5.0 shifter. are they anygood?

First thing on any mustang is to get gears and a shifter. If I were you I would get 3.73 gears and the shifter of your choice. I prefer the steeda tri-ax to others that I have had.

Ray

Since you'all are talkin about gears.....
 

I've always heard that 3.73 were an excellent compromise from hwy to off-the-line quickness. My only concern is that 3.73's will run out on the highway too quickly.
Elisa's got the 4.10's which I love, but it sux being stuck in traffic and you're at 3,000 rpms in 5th going only 80mph.


Matthew

First and foremost is the full tune up & fluid change. Then do 373's, new posi clutches while your there and use synthetic gear oil too w/ a bottle of friction mod. Change trans fluid to synthetic too. Then do LT headers, H-pipe and your choice of 2.5" cat back. Bump up the timing to 14* if you can and run 93 or so octane. Underdrivew pulleys are usually good for 1mph at the track or 5-10hp. Get the pro 5.0 shifter you want too. After doing this, you have a nice foundation. Then you can look into heads/cam/intake + supporting fuel/bolt on mods if you have the $$. Start w/ the basics first like I mentioned. I say go w/ LT's cause shortys are worth NOTHING on a stock 5.0.

Thanks Grn92LX. When you say put synthetic in the trans are you talking about synthetic ATF or Mobil 1 oil? I was actually wondering about putting the B&M trick shift in or the new synthetic stuff, but i wonder if it will mess with the syncros during the winter. I put that trick shift in an auto trans once and as soon as winter came the trans started holding in second for awhile then shifting to third (dodge trans)

I mean synthetic ATF. redline D4ATF or mobil 1 is what you need.

If that ricer was blowing smoke, he could have possibly been spraying n20, but not always the case when you see smoke.

Yea they boost up these cars around here too, subaru WRX around here in the 12's with an aftermarket turbo and intercooler,

also, dont believe shorty headers arent any good, you would be surprised how quick some stangs are with shorty's, but its your choice, you will love the gears, 373's will pull hard in 4th gear, i doubt your tpend will be affected, also the guy that rebuilt my t-5 said not to use synthetics in a t-5, many people do it i know, but i trust this guy, he has been rebuilding transmissions for 25 yrs, and my t-5 has held up to many off 5 k launches with cheap coastal atf, synthetic atf is overrated imo.

Well then he must have been NOsn it the whole time he was driven. He was smoking at the light

I thought you said it was black smoke. It can't be NO2 if it's black smoke.
Not only did you get beat by a ricer, you got beat by an "out of tune" ricer which makes it even worse!
Anyhow, I say why not fight fire with fire? If the ricecers have their turbos then why not invest some $$ into an S trim blower and also the 3:73 gears? That should cure your problem with the imports.

Beleive me if i had the money (which i dont) i would get a twin turbo kit. Like you said "fire with fire" I plan on getting the Flowmaster American Thunder exhaust so they can atleats hear what american muscle sounds like (not like a *&^% load of crotch rockets or indy cars) Im kinda thinking the clutch may be given out, it has like 70600 miles on it now, its the stocker. Would a center force dual friction be over kill for my application right now? what do you recommend?

well he didnt say it was smoking at idle, besides, out of tune?? so i guess the bpu supra i saw at the track last week running 11.0's @ 140+ was out of tune? they smoke when you start modifying them ,or yes they could be out of tune depending, no 5.0 needs an s-trim to beat an eclipse:rolleyes: a "cure" isnt a blower unless your taking on bpu supras maybe, maybe im wrong, but last time i saw my friend put the 150 shot to his stang i saw black smoke puff out as he ripped off getting out of shape.....:eek:

No centerforce! Myself and others have blown these up. Get ahold of www.ddperformance.com These guys are great. I have used cobra hd and king cobra's and like them. Get a new cast iron flywheel while your ordering stuff.
Ray

I see some clutches with 70% more holding power, would the be over doing it? Id really love to upgrade to that Viper T56 six speed. You guys say get a new cast fly wheel, is there any advantage to a billet? Also have you guys ever heard of Trickshaft? they make carbon fiber driveshafts. I saw it on Horse Power tv but i cant find them.

just get the $159 one, it will be fine. If you talk to those guys there they can help you too. I believe one of them is the original engineer on ford clutches. Dont quote me on that.
Just get the cast.
Ray

Yes thats overkill, all you need is a motorsport king cobra clutch, i have the motorsport (non kingcobra) and its a tight pedal feel, the king has less effort, and holds power well, also i never seen the carbon fiber d/s, but the aluminum is been a good unit for me.....good luck.

btw, the best flywheel for anything stock or mildly modified, is just an oem stock flywheel, just my opinions though.....later

Thats what i needed to know, thanks. I was just wondering about the carbon fider d/s. Last i heard it was around $600 or more. No thanks.

one more thing, get a 3.73, and a CHIP your car will benefit more from a chip, than just about anything you put on there. the 94-95 computers suck really bad. next time you pull up next to a ricer, just remember drive it like you stole it.

Ya actually i was thinking about a chip. ANyone know anything about the Diablo chip? Im looking for something i can turn on and off, I dont want the crappy gas mileage of a chip all the time. Summit sells a chip i thinks its called Viper or something like that. It has a remote switch to turn it on or off. With the gears, what will 373s do on the highway. Im going to be doing alot of highway driving starting in september. Right now im thinking about a Flowmast American exhaust system.

i have a 3.73 in my car and its about 3000 at 75mph on the highway, so its not that bad, if you think that is too much i would go with at least 3.55's

Yes, he did say it was smoking at idle. A car can be fast as hell and still not be in perfect tune.

Well im startn to think the cars not runnin like it should. Heres a problem i ocassionaly have. When the car is warm and i shut it off and then restart it a few minutes later it has a constant poping out the tailpipes. Its only happened about 3 times in the 5 months ive owned the car. It also has what feels like a miss at idle. Fuel pressure is around 30-35 psi. I put the car on a computer scanner, no codes, O2 shows lean. Any ideas?

Your mass air could be going bad, with the popping, put your timing at 14* and use 93 octane, how bad is the popping? mine kind of does it too, when i start it hot, it goes 'blub blub' if your gonna get a chip, get a custom chip, or just get a foxbody ecu.

373 grs arent bad on the higway, but if your like me, you want to cruise at 80 mph, then go with 355's, i have 3.27's, have to wind it out before i spank rice from the lights, but it pulls pretty good for higway gears, you beter believe im getting 373's as soon as i have the cash.

No offence but you sound like a redneck ricer your self. Just because he drove an import doesn't mean he's a ricer. Black smoke means he was running no cats and stock for stock GST runs high 14's. SN95's run 15's...

smokin
 

It's obvious you guys don't which each colored smoke is. Black smoke is raw fuel, like when a car has a turbo and dumps alot of fuel at WOT. Blue smoke is oil burning, like when your rings are shot. And white smoke means you're burning coolant, like when you blow a head gasket. There is your daily lesson in smoke technology for today class. J/K.It is possible he was sprayin, but he probably wasn't if he could only pass when you got to 4th gear. I've got two friends that have got eclipse's and they both dump black smoke out when they drop the hammer. Hope this helps. Later.

Just an idea Lethal5Oh, but try using the search for some of your ?'s on here. Other forums would be good too. You seem to have alot of topics going in one thread.
Ray

First, i know i got alot of topics in one but im thinking they all lead to the main. Second i know my smokes. But when the car is smoking sitting there and accelerating normally im thinking hes got a problem or has it tuned to take some extra boost, which maybe the case. As far as the popping, its constant (when it happens) and the idle drops atleast 150-200 rpms. It stops after i run it through acouple gears.

Just because he drives an import doesn't mean he's a ricer?

:confused:

Check the Mass air.

Had a '93 that we were working on, and it wouldn't get out of it's own way. It would hit 4000 RPM and just bog down. Had terrible pick up, wouldn't get out of it's own way.

Felt like it was running at about 100HP.

Unplugged the MAF, and it ran in limp mode, but was stronger.

Replaced it with another MAF from teh shop, and it tore like hell.


Good luck.

I was lined up at a light by a Tercel this morning. I just laughed and pulled into McD's.

Sometimes you just gotta let the rice boil...

Exhaust and Gears
 

The gears are a good idea and reading your sig it looks like a free flowing exhaust would do you a world of good.

Free flowing exhaust is the possible next mod. I say possible because i was reading another post (one about a 95 not running right) and it said about the coils getting hot and not wanting to fire, so i figure a good ignition upgrade may help things out. Exhaust is a definite for this summer though.