need your help with cam selection

Green9550 · 01-17-2002, 03:30 PM

I have a 95 GT automatic. I have already installed MAC unequal shorties, MAC off-road H pipe, 2 chamber flows, MAC cai, Baumann shift kit, 180 thermostat and bumped the timing to 15. I decided that this is just too slow. I have managed a 14.2 @ 98 with street tires. To solve this problem I have purchased AFR 165 58cc heads, Cobra intake, 1.7 rr, 65mm throttle body, 75mm MAF, 24#injectors. I have not yet installed any of these parts because I haven't decided on a cam. I am getting a 2800 or 3000 stall. I also need this cam to be emmissions legal. I was thinking E303 or Trick flow #1 cam. I would like peoples opinion on this, all of the pluses and the minuses on these two cams. I think I will probably have to get rid of the 1.7rr's but would like not to. I appreciate all sugestions that you have. Thank you.

89 Cobra LX · 01-17-2002, 04:08 PM

I really like my TFS #1 cam and I don't have any complaints with it. I don't think it has a C.A.R.B. certification so passing an emissions test may not happen.

Stang Runner · 01-17-2002, 05:04 PM

Just Stay with the Stock if you the 1.7 right now Trust me with those head it will work very good. 12's Should ez

Green9550 · 01-17-2002, 05:32 PM

I would use the stock cam but I bought stud rockers and I don't want to have to do this again. I figure it is all going to be apart, why not just do it right the first time. I would like it if my car would at least pull to 5500 rpm's, it sucks above 5000. I forgot to mention that the heads are ported alittle bit and I am sending the intake to extrude hone to get it hogged out. But if you think that the stock cam would be best for the combo then I will go with it. I don't know, thats why I ask. Thanks for the replys so far but please keep them coming.

Stang Runner · 01-17-2002, 06:06 PM

it si Up to you in the Long Run But with my stock cam It Pules Hard to as far has I have let it Good 6300 EZ.

Green9550 · 01-17-2002, 09:19 PM

I was just wondering but what would the lift be at the valve with the Ecam and 1.7 rr? Would it hurt the torque down low? And what will my compression be with the stock pistons and 58cc heads? Thanks.

86GT · 01-18-2002, 10:38 AM

I would suggest maybe a Crane or comp cams cam thats split duration and made for 1.7 RR, that way you won't have to worry about too much lift. The stock cam is good, and with 1.7's can make you fly, but with heads and intake, you might as well put something in that'll take advantage of the mods you've done. I've been in a car with the TFS #1 cam and a similar combo, and in my opinion is a better choice than the E cam, but with 1.7s you'll have to give some more thought about piston to valve clearance.

Compression should be around 9.5:1 to 10:1.

Stang Runner · 01-18-2002, 10:49 AM

The Compression will be a 9.8:1 with the 58cc heads

AJSTANG · 01-18-2002, 02:05 PM

The stock cam only pulls hard to about 5100 rpm. The lift and duration with that cam will not make much power. You could go with the E cam that you mentioned and continue to use the 1.7 rockers.

Green9550 · 01-18-2002, 04:26 PM

Stang Runner, where did you get your valve covers? I know that the stock valve covers don't fit unless you cut the baffle alittle bit and I don't want to do that. Thanks.

-Billy

Green9550 · 01-18-2002, 04:29 PM

Also Stang Runner, can you give me any advice on the install of the heads and intake. Did everything fit well? I just want to be prepared for this install and don't want anything to go wrong. Thanks for all the help so far but by all means keep it coming.

-Billy

Stang Runner · 01-18-2002, 04:45 PM

I did have to Grind them a bit and take the Baffle out with those. not Much to say about the head install, should get new head dowles when you do the heads. not much to it realy just need a Torque wench for the head in stall tooyou will need a 1in spacer with the Intake I belive too I did not sure on that in intake have fun!!!

fiveohpatrol · 01-18-2002, 04:55 PM

E cam lift is .498" right? If so, the lift with 1.7's will be .529", I've heard of people doing this, but you might wanna check PTV clearance anyway just for peace of mind.

By the way, the way to find the lift with a different ratio rocker is to take the 1.6 advertised lift (.498) and multiply it by your new ratio divided by 1.6 (1.7/1.6) in this case

so the equation is--> (.498)*(1.7/1.6) = .529125"

hope this helps

Green9550 · 01-18-2002, 07:13 PM

Stang Runner thanks for the suggestions on the install. I think everything will go ok. I am getting the guy I got the heads from to help me install everything. I just wanted to know if I needed any more parts for the install that I might not have mentioned. Thanks though.

fiveohpatrol, thanks for that equation. I will have ro remember that for future refrence. Thanks.

-Billy

Green9550 · 01-19-2002, 01:57 PM

Just wondering, but what would my combo be like if I got the B303 cam to go with my 1.7rr's. That would give me .510 lift. I want as much lift as I can get away with and not lose driveability and still be emmissions legal. Thanks for all the help so far.

-Billy

fiveohpatrol · 01-19-2002, 02:32 PM

I'd personally stay away from the motorsport cams. People seem to have a decent amount of idle problems with them and make more power with different company's cams.
I have a B303 that I have yet to put in (it'll be put in in about 5 weeks on my next break) but the only reason I got it is because it was used and cheap. I got it off E-bay for $100.

If I was in your situation, with the great heads and pretty good intake that you have, theres no way I would skimp on the cam. I'd give anderson ford/Ed Curtis/ and Trick Flow a call, tell them what you have, what you want to do with the car and then they'll reccomend a cam that best suits your needs.

good luck

Mach 1 · 01-19-2002, 10:47 PM

Well, since your going with an aftermarket cam, you should have bought 1.6 ratio rockers, gives you more cam choices.

You have to be careful choosing a cam with an AOD tranny. You need a wider LSA for good torque down low and a broad powerband.

I recommend comp. cams. part no# 35-310-8

Its got a sweet idle, mild enough for great street manners, but has a nastly little "lump" to it. It has a 114 lsa (good for automatics) and a split duration so its a great cam for a power adder down the road. It does has high lift, and was designed for 1.6 rockers, but Im sure it would work with 1.7's also.

Green9550 · 01-19-2002, 09:53 PM

Thanks for the replys guys. Mach 1, do you happen to know the specs on that cam? I would like to know what the lift would be with the 1.7rr's. Thanks.

fiveohpatrol, I think I'll give Ed Curtis a call to see what he recomends for my combo. Thanks for the suggestion.

-Billy

Green9550 · 01-20-2002, 08:26 AM

Mach 1, I went to the comp cams web site and it didn't have any info on that cam. If any one knows the specs on it, please tell me. I am going to call FTI tomarrow and talk to Ed to see what he recomends. Please don't stop with the suggestions. They are all very helpful. Thanks.

-Billy

Musky · 01-20-2002, 10:17 AM

You have to remember that all these suggestions these fellow stangers are giving you are mostly using their experiences with their Fox cars, you (as do I) have SN95's, and with them come the dreaded EEC's. They do not function the same with the same cams. The performance gains might be similar, but the idle and driveablity issues might give you fits.

You can see what my set-up is currently with my car and I'm planning on AFR 165 58cc's in the near future. I have heard great things about Ed Curtis and might look to his FTI stuff in the future. Let me know what he has to say, I'm very curious.

I'm heard to stay away from the alphabet cams, and Mach 1 was on the money when he said you need a cam with a higher LSA, I've heard 114 will work good.

Other cams that I've heard work well with our cars are the Crane 2031 and the Steeda #19.

Once again, talk to Ed and let us know what he says.

01-17-2002, 04:08 PM	#2
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	Trick Flow #1 cam I really like my TFS #1 cam and I don't have any complaints with it. I don't think it has a C.A.R.B. certification so passing an emissions test may not happen. __________________ Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe 5 speed 302-Cobra Intake-GT40p heads-TFS stage 1 cam-FRPP 1.6 roller rockers-3:73 gears-KYB shocks and struts-Eibach Pro-kit-HPM Mega-bite upper and lower control arms-FRPP aluminum driveshaft-16x8 Chrome Cobra Rs R.H.C. #14

01-17-2002, 05:04 PM	#3
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Just Stay with the Stock if you the 1.7 right now Trust me with those head it will work very good. 12's Should ez __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

01-17-2002, 06:06 PM	#5
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	it si Up to you in the Long Run But with my stock cam It Pules Hard to as far has I have let it Good 6300 EZ. __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

01-18-2002, 10:38 AM	#7
86GT Sniffed too much n20 Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Ont, Canada Posts: 1,018	I would suggest maybe a Crane or comp cams cam thats split duration and made for 1.7 RR, that way you won't have to worry about too much lift. The stock cam is good, and with 1.7's can make you fly, but with heads and intake, you might as well put something in that'll take advantage of the mods you've done. I've been in a car with the TFS #1 cam and a similar combo, and in my opinion is a better choice than the E cam, but with 1.7s you'll have to give some more thought about piston to valve clearance. Compression should be around 9.5:1 to 10:1. __________________ 2002 Windsor Weekend Q16 Qualifier

01-18-2002, 10:49 AM	#8
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	The Compression will be a 9.8:1 with the 58cc heads __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

01-17-2002, 03:30 PM	#1
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	need your help with cam selection I have a 95 GT automatic. I have already installed MAC unequal shorties, MAC off-road H pipe, 2 chamber flows, MAC cai, Baumann shift kit, 180 thermostat and bumped the timing to 15. I decided that this is just too slow. I have managed a 14.2 @ 98 with street tires. To solve this problem I have purchased AFR 165 58cc heads, Cobra intake, 1.7 rr, 65mm throttle body, 75mm MAF, 24#injectors. I have not yet installed any of these parts because I haven't decided on a cam. I am getting a 2800 or 3000 stall. I also need this cam to be emmissions legal. I was thinking E303 or Trick flow #1 cam. I would like peoples opinion on this, all of the pluses and the minuses on these two cams. I think I will probably have to get rid of the 1.7rr's but would like not to. I appreciate all sugestions that you have. Thank you.

01-17-2002, 05:32 PM	#4
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	I would use the stock cam but I bought stud rockers and I don't want to have to do this again. I figure it is all going to be apart, why not just do it right the first time. I would like it if my car would at least pull to 5500 rpm's, it sucks above 5000. I forgot to mention that the heads are ported alittle bit and I am sending the intake to extrude hone to get it hogged out. But if you think that the stock cam would be best for the combo then I will go with it. I don't know, thats why I ask. Thanks for the replys so far but please keep them coming.

01-17-2002, 09:19 PM	#6
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	I was just wondering but what would the lift be at the valve with the Ecam and 1.7 rr? Would it hurt the torque down low? And what will my compression be with the stock pistons and 58cc heads? Thanks.

01-18-2002, 02:05 PM	#9
AJSTANG Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maryland Posts: 123	The stock cam only pulls hard to about 5100 rpm. The lift and duration with that cam will not make much power. You could go with the E cam that you mentioned and continue to use the 1.7 rockers. __________________ '91 Notchback TFS Heads(stage 2), B-451 Cam, V2-Si trim, TKO-600

01-18-2002, 04:26 PM	#10
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	valve covers Stang Runner, where did you get your valve covers? I know that the stock valve covers don't fit unless you cut the baffle alittle bit and I don't want to do that. Thanks. -Billy

01-18-2002, 04:29 PM	#11
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Also Stang Runner, can you give me any advice on the install of the heads and intake. Did everything fit well? I just want to be prepared for this install and don't want anything to go wrong. Thanks for all the help so far but by all means keep it coming. -Billy

01-18-2002, 04:45 PM	#12
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	I did have to Grind them a bit and take the Baffle out with those. not Much to say about the head install, should get new head dowles when you do the heads. not much to it realy just need a Torque wench for the head in stall tooyou will need a 1in spacer with the Intake I belive too I did not sure on that in intake have fun!!! __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

01-18-2002, 04:55 PM	#13
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	E cam lift is .498" right? If so, the lift with 1.7's will be .529", I've heard of people doing this, but you might wanna check PTV clearance anyway just for peace of mind. By the way, the way to find the lift with a different ratio rocker is to take the 1.6 advertised lift (.498) and multiply it by your new ratio divided by 1.6 (1.7/1.6) in this case so the equation is--> (.498)*(1.7/1.6) = .529125" hope this helps __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

01-18-2002, 07:13 PM	#14
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Stang Runner thanks for the suggestions on the install. I think everything will go ok. I am getting the guy I got the heads from to help me install everything. I just wanted to know if I needed any more parts for the install that I might not have mentioned. Thanks though. fiveohpatrol, thanks for that equation. I will have ro remember that for future refrence. Thanks. -Billy

01-19-2002, 01:57 PM	#15
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Just wondering, but what would my combo be like if I got the B303 cam to go with my 1.7rr's. That would give me .510 lift. I want as much lift as I can get away with and not lose driveability and still be emmissions legal. Thanks for all the help so far. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

01-19-2002, 02:32 PM	#16
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	I'd personally stay away from the motorsport cams. People seem to have a decent amount of idle problems with them and make more power with different company's cams. I have a B303 that I have yet to put in (it'll be put in in about 5 weeks on my next break) but the only reason I got it is because it was used and cheap. I got it off E-bay for $100. If I was in your situation, with the great heads and pretty good intake that you have, theres no way I would skimp on the cam. I'd give anderson ford/Ed Curtis/ and Trick Flow a call, tell them what you have, what you want to do with the car and then they'll reccomend a cam that best suits your needs. good luck __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

01-19-2002, 10:47 PM	#17
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Well, since your going with an aftermarket cam, you should have bought 1.6 ratio rockers, gives you more cam choices. You have to be careful choosing a cam with an AOD tranny. You need a wider LSA for good torque down low and a broad powerband. I recommend comp. cams. part no# 35-310-8 Its got a sweet idle, mild enough for great street manners, but has a nastly little "lump" to it. It has a 114 lsa (good for automatics) and a split duration so its a great cam for a power adder down the road. It does has high lift, and was designed for 1.6 rockers, but Im sure it would work with 1.7's also. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

01-19-2002, 09:53 PM	#18
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Thanks for the replys guys. Mach 1, do you happen to know the specs on that cam? I would like to know what the lift would be with the 1.7rr's. Thanks. fiveohpatrol, I think I'll give Ed Curtis a call to see what he recomends for my combo. Thanks for the suggestion. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

01-20-2002, 08:26 AM	#19
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Mach 1, I went to the comp cams web site and it didn't have any info on that cam. If any one knows the specs on it, please tell me. I am going to call FTI tomarrow and talk to Ed to see what he recomends. Please don't stop with the suggestions. They are all very helpful. Thanks. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

01-20-2002, 10:17 AM	#20
Musky Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 5	You have to remember that all these suggestions these fellow stangers are giving you are mostly using their experiences with their Fox cars, you (as do I) have SN95's, and with them come the dreaded EEC's. They do not function the same with the same cams. The performance gains might be similar, but the idle and driveablity issues might give you fits. You can see what my set-up is currently with my car and I'm planning on AFR 165 58cc's in the near future. I have heard great things about Ed Curtis and might look to his FTI stuff in the future. Let me know what he has to say, I'm very curious. I'm heard to stay away from the alphabet cams, and Mach 1 was on the money when he said you need a cam with a higher LSA, I've heard 114 will work good. Other cams that I've heard work well with our cars are the Crane 2031 and the Steeda #19. Once again, talk to Ed and let us know what he says. __________________ 1994 Mustang GT - 5 spd. Laser Red Cobra Intake, 3.73's, 65mm TB, 1.7 RR's, Off-Road H, Flowmasters, Pulleys, Shifter, K&N, and other little stuff... Best ET: 14.04 @ 97.62 Best MPH: 14.16 @ 99.81

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