A/C Delete....Can I remove the condenser & the accumulator??

MTU 50 · 06-18-2001, 08:59 PM

Since I am replacing my radiator and everything is apart I figured I finally get around to removing my A/C.

My question is obviously I can remove the compressor, but can I remove the condenser (thing that looks like a radiator and is located in front of the radiator) and the Accumulator (round can-like thing that the A/C lines run to)? I assume I can remove them, but I wanted to be sure.

Also, I'm going to order the March A/C eliminator kit from summit. Is there any experiences with it out there, Good/Bad?

Your opinions are always welcomed. Thanks

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1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

fordgasm · 06-19-2001, 07:19 AM

Yep, you can go ahead and remove them both.

I also used the March kit, I have the AC eliminator kit and the alternator kit. They worked out fine.

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fordgasm
CLICK HERE to see my 87 GT

302 LX Eric · 06-19-2001, 07:56 AM

Ditto - except for the alternater kit (still need to purchase this).

E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

2FastLX · 06-19-2001, 10:44 AM

Go with the Ford A/C eliminator kit from Holcomb. It works and looks a LOT better than the March kit. It's the exact same components that Ford put on non a/c cars so it looks factory.

And yeah, you can yank all that stuff.

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Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph

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MTU 50 · 06-19-2001, 12:04 PM

Thanks

You know I just might go with the ford kit if the price is reasonable, because the March kit doesn't come with a pulley. Who sells the ford kit. I remember seeing it somewhere, but I'm not sure. Time to rifle through the MM&FF's and 5.0 Mustang's on the coffee table.

I can't wait to yank all of that other stuff though. Less clutter and weight under the hood.

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1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

Smokedawg · 06-19-2001, 12:29 PM

I dont know why you dont like the March kit because it doesnt come with the pulley. All you have to do is move the tensioner. I liked the March kit.

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

2FastLX · 06-19-2001, 01:24 PM

The Ford kit just looks a lot cleaner IMO. It moves the power steering pump up to where the A/C used to be and just makes the whole setup look more balanced.

If you want a March kit I have a used one I'll sell ya for $15. All there is to it is a flat 1/4" thick piece of aluminum cut into a trangular shape with a few holes in it and two spacers. Kinda cheesy.

Here's a pic of the FRP setup...

I do plan on going with the March tensioner to get rid of the idler for an even cleaner look.

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Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph

Indiana Stangers Association
Buy your parts here
ICQ# 42269241

MTU 50 · 06-20-2001, 12:56 PM

From the way the picture in the Summit catolog looked, I thought I had to buy a pulley and mount it on the bracket to complete the kit. I had no idea the March kit just moves the tensioner. Is this how it works, because I am still a little confused. I think I might just get it then after all if it just moves the tensioner.

I'm pretty sure I'll have to buy a new belt no matter which kit I get which sucks, because the one I have has only about 15,000 miles on it and is in real good shape.

2FastLX - I might be interested in buying that March kit off you provided, the only other thing I'll need is a new belt. Once I get this all figured out I'll let you know.

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1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

DemonGT · 06-20-2001, 02:15 PM

yes post some info on some of these A/C kits all my a/c is off sept the compressor...i kinda like the one from holcomb cause all you do is bolt it on but they want way to much for it

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'91 GT,91K,T-5,air silencer removed,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Cat-back,off road H,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Competition gauges,C&L 76mm MAF,Accufab 70mm TB,TFS street heat intake

Waiting install:Nothing

Future Mods:3.73's,Pro 5.0,TFS heads,TFS stage 1 cam,lakewood struts/shocks,nitto DR's
ICQ#35670781

MTU 50 · 06-21-2001, 10:51 AM

Just posting to get this topic back on the first page, so hopefully I can get some more responses.

Smokedawg · 06-21-2001, 11:43 AM

I think that the ford kit looks pretty good 2fastlx...As for the march kit--All you get is exactly what 2fastlx said. Then you have to unbolt the tensioner(1 bolt) and take off that big bracket for the a/c. The bolt up the march piece and then put on the tensioner. You will have to buy a new belt. Very easy job.

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

[This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-21-2001).]

fordgasm · 06-21-2001, 12:21 PM

If you click on my signature it will take you to the users rides section. Click on the 3rd slot and I have a pic of the engine compartment. You can sort of see the March kit there. It relocates the tensioner like Smokedawg described. You will also see the alternator kit which eliminates the Ford cast bracket and air pump, you also get a mounting bracket and torque arm which really cleans up the engine compartment.

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fordgasm
CLICK HERE to see my 87 GT

Smokedawg · 06-21-2001, 01:52 PM

Fordgasm--So you arent running your smog pump anymore?? Did you notice any difference in driving with the smog pump off?
Would you mind explaining to me what all has to be done to remove the smog pump. As in plugging up lines and plugging up the EGR plate. Thanks

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

[This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-21-2001).]

fordgasm · 06-22-2001, 12:22 PM

Yep, I removed the air pump sometime ago. I did not notice any difference after removing it but did not expect to. The drag from the air pump is minimal.

As far as removing the pump, it's pretty much a simple removal. Let's see if I can remember the high lites. You have to remove the cross over tube at the back of the heads and plug the holes in the heads. Remove the tube that goes to the H pipe, I installed an off road H pipe and plugged the connection for this tube. Plug any vacumn lines, removed EGR and put a plate over the opening. Remove the canistor and it's lines, I'm sure I missed something but that's pretty much it. I have heard some say they had problems getting check engine light and codes after removing the EGR but I have not. I also installed a phenolic spacer inbetween the upper and lower intake that plugged the port for the egr.

My car is a fair weather car and I did these mods originally to remove weight for drag racing. As it turns out it also improved the appearance under the hood. For an everyday street car it may not be worth the while, and if you have to pass emissions removing these items will be a problem and can be illegal.

Good luck

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fordgasm
CLICK HERE to see my 87 GT

[This message has been edited by fordgasm (edited 06-22-2001).]

2FastLX · 06-22-2001, 11:38 PM

IMO, the cleanest setup you can go with is the Ford A/C delete kit combined with the March alternator bracket. You lose the idler altogether.

Man, I've been looking at that pic of my engine and as soon as I get my valve covers on there I really need to do something with that cruddy old power steering pump. Maybe I'll get my polishing kit back out and go to town on everything

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Gunning for 12's!

My Stang Page
Buy your parts here
ICQ# 42269241

MTU 50 · 06-24-2001, 12:26 AM

My favorite part about the picture is the tools sitting on the top of the radiator. When I work on my car I always have half a sears store resting there too.

BTW, let me know if you found you March A/C delete kit. Once you find it, I'll send you a money order.

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1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

06-18-2001, 08:59 PM	#1
MTU 50 GOT TORQUE ???? Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: New Hudson, Michigan, USA Posts: 689	A/C Delete....Can I remove the condenser & the accumulator?? Since I am replacing my radiator and everything is apart I figured I finally get around to removing my A/C. My question is obviously I can remove the compressor, but can I remove the condenser (thing that looks like a radiator and is located in front of the radiator) and the Accumulator (round can-like thing that the A/C lines run to)? I assume I can remove them, but I wanted to be sure. Also, I'm going to order the March A/C eliminator kit from summit. Is there any experiences with it out there, Good/Bad? Your opinions are always welcomed. Thanks ------------------ 1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

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06-19-2001, 07:19 AM	#2
fordgasm Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Clayton, North Carolina, USA Posts: 803	Yep, you can go ahead and remove them both. I also used the March kit, I have the AC eliminator kit and the alternator kit. They worked out fine. ------------------ fordgasm CLICK HERE to see my 87 GT

06-19-2001, 07:56 AM	#3
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	Ditto - except for the alternater kit (still need to purchase this). E ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

06-19-2001, 10:44 AM	#4
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Go with the Ford A/C eliminator kit from Holcomb. It works and looks a LOT better than the March kit. It's the exact same components that Ford put on non a/c cars so it looks factory. And yeah, you can yank all that stuff. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241

06-19-2001, 12:04 PM	#5
MTU 50 GOT TORQUE ???? Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: New Hudson, Michigan, USA Posts: 689	Thanks You know I just might go with the ford kit if the price is reasonable, because the March kit doesn't come with a pulley. Who sells the ford kit. I remember seeing it somewhere, but I'm not sure. Time to rifle through the MM&FF's and 5.0 Mustang's on the coffee table. I can't wait to yank all of that other stuff though. Less clutter and weight under the hood. ------------------ 1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

06-19-2001, 12:29 PM	#6
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	I dont know why you dont like the March kit because it doesnt come with the pulley. All you have to do is move the tensioner. I liked the March kit. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del.

06-19-2001, 01:24 PM	#7
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	The Ford kit just looks a lot cleaner IMO. It moves the power steering pump up to where the A/C used to be and just makes the whole setup look more balanced. If you want a March kit I have a used one I'll sell ya for $15. All there is to it is a flat 1/4" thick piece of aluminum cut into a trangular shape with a few holes in it and two spacers. Kinda cheesy. Here's a pic of the FRP setup... I do plan on going with the March tensioner to get rid of the idler for an even cleaner look. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241

06-20-2001, 12:56 PM	#8
MTU 50 GOT TORQUE ???? Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: New Hudson, Michigan, USA Posts: 689	From the way the picture in the Summit catolog looked, I thought I had to buy a pulley and mount it on the bracket to complete the kit. I had no idea the March kit just moves the tensioner. Is this how it works, because I am still a little confused. I think I might just get it then after all if it just moves the tensioner. I'm pretty sure I'll have to buy a new belt no matter which kit I get which sucks, because the one I have has only about 15,000 miles on it and is in real good shape. 2FastLX - I might be interested in buying that March kit off you provided, the only other thing I'll need is a new belt. Once I get this all figured out I'll let you know. ------------------ 1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs

06-20-2001, 02:15 PM	#9
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	yes post some info on some of these A/C kits all my a/c is off sept the compressor...i kinda like the one from holcomb cause all you do is bolt it on but they want way to much for it ------------------ '91 GT,91K,T-5,air silencer removed,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Cat-back,off road H,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Competition gauges,C&L 76mm MAF,Accufab 70mm TB,TFS street heat intake Waiting install:Nothing Future Mods:3.73's,Pro 5.0,TFS heads,TFS stage 1 cam,lakewood struts/shocks,nitto DR's ICQ#35670781

06-21-2001, 10:51 AM	#10
MTU 50 GOT TORQUE ???? Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: New Hudson, Michigan, USA Posts: 689	Just posting to get this topic back on the first page, so hopefully I can get some more responses.

06-21-2001, 11:43 AM	#11
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	I think that the ford kit looks pretty good 2fastlx...As for the march kit--All you get is exactly what 2fastlx said. Then you have to unbolt the tensioner(1 bolt) and take off that big bracket for the a/c. The bolt up the march piece and then put on the tensioner. You will have to buy a new belt. Very easy job. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-21-2001).]

06-21-2001, 12:21 PM	#12
fordgasm Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Clayton, North Carolina, USA Posts: 803	If you click on my signature it will take you to the users rides section. Click on the 3rd slot and I have a pic of the engine compartment. You can sort of see the March kit there. It relocates the tensioner like Smokedawg described. You will also see the alternator kit which eliminates the Ford cast bracket and air pump, you also get a mounting bracket and torque arm which really cleans up the engine compartment. ------------------ fordgasm CLICK HERE to see my 87 GT

06-21-2001, 01:52 PM	#13
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	Fordgasm--So you arent running your smog pump anymore?? Did you notice any difference in driving with the smog pump off? Would you mind explaining to me what all has to be done to remove the smog pump. As in plugging up lines and plugging up the EGR plate. Thanks ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Cobra Transmission, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, BBK 1 5/8 Headers, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Underdrive Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Racing Wires, Ram Air, K&N Filter, 73mm Vortech MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster Exhaust w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, Hurst Shifter, 3:55 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC del, rear seat del. [This message has been edited by Smokedawg (edited 06-21-2001).]

06-22-2001, 12:22 PM	#14
fordgasm Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Clayton, North Carolina, USA Posts: 803	Yep, I removed the air pump sometime ago. I did not notice any difference after removing it but did not expect to. The drag from the air pump is minimal. As far as removing the pump, it's pretty much a simple removal. Let's see if I can remember the high lites. You have to remove the cross over tube at the back of the heads and plug the holes in the heads. Remove the tube that goes to the H pipe, I installed an off road H pipe and plugged the connection for this tube. Plug any vacumn lines, removed EGR and put a plate over the opening. Remove the canistor and it's lines, I'm sure I missed something but that's pretty much it. I have heard some say they had problems getting check engine light and codes after removing the EGR but I have not. I also installed a phenolic spacer inbetween the upper and lower intake that plugged the port for the egr. My car is a fair weather car and I did these mods originally to remove weight for drag racing. As it turns out it also improved the appearance under the hood. For an everyday street car it may not be worth the while, and if you have to pass emissions removing these items will be a problem and can be illegal. Good luck ------------------ fordgasm CLICK HERE to see my 87 GT [This message has been edited by fordgasm (edited 06-22-2001).]

06-22-2001, 11:38 PM	#15
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	IMO, the cleanest setup you can go with is the Ford A/C delete kit combined with the March alternator bracket. You lose the idler altogether. Man, I've been looking at that pic of my engine and as soon as I get my valve covers on there I really need to do something with that cruddy old power steering pump. Maybe I'll get my polishing kit back out and go to town on everything ------------------ Gunning for 12's! My Stang Page Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241

06-24-2001, 12:26 AM	#16
MTU 50 GOT TORQUE ???? Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: New Hudson, Michigan, USA Posts: 689	My favorite part about the picture is the tools sitting on the top of the radiator. When I work on my car I always have half a sears store resting there too. BTW, let me know if you found you March A/C delete kit. Once you find it, I'll send you a money order. ------------------ 1991 GT, AOD, Moroso Cold Air, 3.73s, Pulleys, 3-chamber(the left one fell off-NO time+No Money=College), FMS c-springs, and KYBs