calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed

StockRustang · 01-22-2005, 06:11 PM

im doing this stock bottom end buildup, i did what i needed to do with putting a high volume oil pump in it, and other misc stuff to strengthen it. i have a performer RPM Airgap which will be port matched to my heads, had a box stock holley 750DP i bought a Proform race 750 body for it, and im right back to being stuck at the cylinder heads...

i had my mind made up on AFR Non Emission 185's...
untill my dad brought up the Jegs 2.02 aluminum heads and how i can run up to like a .550 lift cam on stock piston notches....

im thinking ican run an E303 or similar with the AFR's and make more power than iwould with the jegs cam and a slightly bigger cam..

so what do i do? go with the AFR's (which i know will make TONS of power) with an E303 cam (or similar)
or go with the Jegs heads and match it with a bigger cam....??????????

fiveOguy20 · 01-22-2005, 06:40 PM

i think it all depends on how fast you are looking to go. both combos will be good for 12's or faster it sounds like. just depends on if u wanna race only car or a street driven car. thats where i would start.

Dark_5.0 · 01-23-2005, 12:41 AM

Go with the AFR 185's. If I remember right the Jegs heads are too big for a 6000 rpm 302 you would have no low end torque.

Just for the record I have the E-cam and I hate it. You would be better off with a trick flow stage 1 or 2 cam.

tireburner163 · 01-23-2005, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_5.0

Go with the AFR 185's. If I remember right the Jegs heads are too big for a 6000 rpm 302 you would have no low end torque.

Just for the record I have the E-cam and I hate it. You would be better off with a trick flow stage 1 or 2 cam.

what he said

StockRustang · 01-23-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiveOguy20

i think it all depends on how fast you are looking to go. both combos will be good for 12's or faster it sounds like. just depends on if u wanna race only car or a street driven car. thats where i would start.

its a weekend cruiser. my dad will be doing the tuning, he cruises his 71 vega on the street every weekend and it was a 9.8 car on motor. just wanna go as fast as possible. the car will probly only be around 2900lbs with driver in it.

StockRustang · 01-23-2005, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark_5.0

Go with the AFR 185's. If I remember right the Jegs heads are too big for a 6000 rpm 302 you would have no low end torque.

Just for the record I have the E-cam and I hate it. You would be better off with a trick flow stage 1 or 2 cam.

ill keep that in mind.

StockRustang · 01-25-2005, 09:52 PM

ok i decided to go with the afr's and as far as the cam goes im gonna go with a custom grind, a little costly but u do what u gota do to go fast.

Jeff Chambers · 01-26-2005, 07:02 AM

Get a set of Stage I ported Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads from somebody like TEA or Fox Lake and you'll go faster with that custom cam than you will with AFRs. AFRs really have pretty poor flow numbers compared to a mildly ported set of TW heads. AFR has had some quality issues in the past before too. In the heads up class racing like S/W or P/S, you'll see more TW and Brodix heads than you will AFRs. Says something about the heads IMHO.

StockRustang · 01-30-2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Chambers

Get a set of Stage I ported Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads from somebody like TEA or Fox Lake and you'll go faster with that custom cam than you will with AFRs. AFRs really have pretty poor flow numbers compared to a mildly ported set of TW heads. AFR has had some quality issues in the past before too. In the heads up class racing like S/W or P/S, you'll see more TW and Brodix heads than you will AFRs. Says something about the heads IMHO.

all i ever hear about is how afr's are the best. guess i need to do some more research, ill put the twisted wedge into consideration.
a friend of my step dads is in the nmra Hot Street class, i told him i wanted to get a custom grind from anderson...he told me its not worth it. what are your opinions on a custom grind vs an off the shelf cam on combo like mine?
thanks for the info.

Jeff Chambers · 01-31-2005, 06:59 AM

Worth every penny. Since you're adding better flowing heads and intake, a good cam will be able to make use of that extra breathing capability. I've run custom cams from Anderson, FTI, Bennet and Cam Motions. By far I've had better luck with the Anderson and Cam Motion cams. You'll get as much bolt-in horsepower increase from a custom cam as you will from bolting the heads and intake on.

StockRustang · 02-01-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Chambers

Worth every penny. Since you're adding better flowing heads and intake, a good cam will be able to make use of that extra breathing capability. I've run custom cams from Anderson, FTI, Bennet and Cam Motions. By far I've had better luck with the Anderson and Cam Motion cams. You'll get as much bolt-in horsepower increase from a custom cam as you will from bolting the heads and intake on.

thanks for all the advice, i'v made up my mind and when i get my tax check im gonna be giving anderson a call. i checked out the heads from fox lake, i'll be talking to them soon as well.

a little bit of good news i'll throw in, i took the time to clean the carbon off of my pistons, i knew that motor was a recent rebuild but what i found when i cleaned it was that every piston said .040 on it. so thats pretty cool.

once i make some more progress i'll start posting up pics, and hopefully by june i can have this thing on the street.
once again thanks for all the help everyone.

USMC302 · 02-03-2005, 02:08 PM

Speaking of TW heads, my 302 with TW heads and the Trickflow stage 1 was good for 12.20's, moved onto ported heads and stage 2 now.

~The Jester~ · 02-04-2005, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Chambers

Worth every penny. Since you're adding better flowing heads and intake, a good cam will be able to make use of that extra breathing capability. I've run custom cams from Anderson, FTI, Bennet and Cam Motions. By far I've had better luck with the Anderson and Cam Motion cams. You'll get as much bolt-in horsepower increase from a custom cam as you will from bolting the heads and intake on.

Absolutely! My Cam Motion cam is on the way even as we speak. My new Canfield head's showed up yesterday too. Cam Motion wanted to know EVERYTHING about my combination, just to build an awesome cam for me. Dollar for dollar, custom cam is the only way to fly!

StockRustang · 02-06-2005, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMC302

Speaking of TW heads, my 302 with TW heads and the Trickflow stage 1 was good for 12.20's, moved onto ported heads and stage 2 now.

no kidding?
how much did the car weigh? was it EFI or carb?

smokedchevy · 02-07-2005, 02:07 AM

A little off topic, but going back to your high volume oil pump. Do you have threaded oil gallery plugs? I put a high volume oil pump in my 302 and eventually it pushed out the oil gallery plug above the cam. I called my engine builder and he said a stock oil pump is more than adequate for a small block Ford and that the high volume pumps tend to pop the oil plugs out. I had to tap the oil gallery bosses and use threaded oil plugs. Just an FYI since your engine is still out.

tireburner163 · 02-07-2005, 02:40 AM

agreed, my high volume pump did that too. I'll never run one again.

StockRustang · 02-07-2005, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokedchevy

A little off topic, but going back to your high volume oil pump. Do you have threaded oil gallery plugs? I put a high volume oil pump in my 302 and eventually it pushed out the oil gallery plug above the cam. I called my engine builder and he said a stock oil pump is more than adequate for a small block Ford and that the high volume pumps tend to pop the oil plugs out. I had to tap the oil gallery bosses and use threaded oil plugs. Just an FYI since your engine is still out.

u know what i honestly couldnt tell you. my dad actually took the old pump out and we have yet to put the new one in. i'll have to ask him about that tomaro. thanks for the warning.

smokedchevy · 02-08-2005, 01:14 AM

no problem, just trying to save you from some grief down the line. When mine popped out it rattled around in the timing cover and sounded like a busted rod. I ended up tearing the whole engine down for a stupid 10 cent plug.

Jeff Chambers · 02-08-2005, 07:03 AM

We never put an engine together withoug tapping the oiling circuit for NPT plugs. Just one of those little things, but there's nothing worse than starting a new engine to find that its got no oil pressure because it popped a plug.

BTW: I run a standard volume pump, even in my 8500rpm Street Warrior engine.

01-22-2005, 06:11 PM	#1
StockRustang Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chitown Posts: 39	calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed im doing this stock bottom end buildup, i did what i needed to do with putting a high volume oil pump in it, and other misc stuff to strengthen it. i have a performer RPM Airgap which will be port matched to my heads, had a box stock holley 750DP i bought a Proform race 750 body for it, and im right back to being stuck at the cylinder heads... i had my mind made up on AFR Non Emission 185's... untill my dad brought up the Jegs 2.02 aluminum heads and how i can run up to like a .550 lift cam on stock piston notches.... im thinking ican run an E303 or similar with the AFR's and make more power than iwould with the jegs cam and a slightly bigger cam.. so what do i do? go with the AFR's (which i know will make TONS of power) with an E303 cam (or similar) or go with the Jegs heads and match it with a bigger cam....?????????? __________________ 85 GT-currently: 8.8 with 4.10 and richmond spool, 31spline strange axles, Ties, GMS rear controll arms, stock rear springs, 50/50's, 90/10's up front with 4cyl springs, PA K-member and A-arms, and a motor i still cant decide what to do with.

01-22-2005, 06:40 PM	#2
fiveOguy20 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 156	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed i think it all depends on how fast you are looking to go. both combos will be good for 12's or faster it sounds like. just depends on if u wanna race only car or a street driven car. thats where i would start. __________________ 347- ported X heads, Xcam , RPM air-gap intake, 650 holley DP, 10:5 comp., equal lenght shorties, pullies, MSD ignition, pro 5.0 shifter. stock fuel system !! best ET: 11.95 @113 1.64 60 foots

01-23-2005, 12:41 AM	#3
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed Go with the AFR 185's. If I remember right the Jegs heads are too big for a 6000 rpm 302 you would have no low end torque. Just for the record I have the E-cam and I hate it. You would be better off with a trick flow stage 1 or 2 cam. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

01-25-2005, 09:52 PM	#7
StockRustang Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chitown Posts: 39	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed ok i decided to go with the afr's and as far as the cam goes im gonna go with a custom grind, a little costly but u do what u gota do to go fast. __________________ 85 GT-currently: 8.8 with 4.10 and richmond spool, 31spline strange axles, Ties, GMS rear controll arms, stock rear springs, 50/50's, 90/10's up front with 4cyl springs, PA K-member and A-arms, and a motor i still cant decide what to do with.

01-26-2005, 07:02 AM	#8
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed Get a set of Stage I ported Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads from somebody like TEA or Fox Lake and you'll go faster with that custom cam than you will with AFRs. AFRs really have pretty poor flow numbers compared to a mildly ported set of TW heads. AFR has had some quality issues in the past before too. In the heads up class racing like S/W or P/S, you'll see more TW and Brodix heads than you will AFRs. Says something about the heads IMHO. __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

01-31-2005, 06:59 AM	#10
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed Worth every penny. Since you're adding better flowing heads and intake, a good cam will be able to make use of that extra breathing capability. I've run custom cams from Anderson, FTI, Bennet and Cam Motions. By far I've had better luck with the Anderson and Cam Motion cams. You'll get as much bolt-in horsepower increase from a custom cam as you will from bolting the heads and intake on. __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

02-03-2005, 02:08 PM	#12
USMC302 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Gallatin, Tn Posts: 1,326	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed Speaking of TW heads, my 302 with TW heads and the Trickflow stage 1 was good for 12.20's, moved onto ported heads and stage 2 now. __________________

02-07-2005, 02:07 AM	#15
smokedchevy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ventura,CA Posts: 438	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed A little off topic, but going back to your high volume oil pump. Do you have threaded oil gallery plugs? I put a high volume oil pump in my 302 and eventually it pushed out the oil gallery plug above the cam. I called my engine builder and he said a stock oil pump is more than adequate for a small block Ford and that the high volume pumps tend to pop the oil plugs out. I had to tap the oil gallery bosses and use threaded oil plugs. Just an FYI since your engine is still out. __________________ 92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters 65 Mustang 13.50 107mph 3000' ALt. 65 Falcon Straight Axle Drag Car

02-07-2005, 02:40 AM	#16
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed agreed, my high volume pump did that too. I'll never run one again. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

02-08-2005, 01:14 AM	#18
smokedchevy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: ventura,CA Posts: 438	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed no problem, just trying to save you from some grief down the line. When mine popped out it rattled around in the timing cover and sounded like a busted rod. I ended up tearing the whole engine down for a stupid 10 cent plug. __________________ 92 GT, 4:10 gears, centerforce clutch, 6# powerdyne blower, bbk h-pipe, flowmasters 65 Mustang 13.50 107mph 3000' ALt. 65 Falcon Straight Axle Drag Car

02-08-2005, 07:03 AM	#19
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	Re: calling all the Go Fast guys from this board...help needed We never put an engine together withoug tapping the oiling circuit for NPT plugs. Just one of those little things, but there's nothing worse than starting a new engine to find that its got no oil pressure because it popped a plug. BTW: I run a standard volume pump, even in my 8500rpm Street Warrior engine. __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

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