Rebuilding engine...

66 Racer · 07-28-2001, 06:58 PM

Hey,

Well, i have a 289 V8 with a holley 4b carb, and headers, Im planning a rebuild, its already starting to smoke. Well, i wanted to put some better that stock parts in it since i plan to do a little drag racing with it. What kind of engine setup would you guys recomend, im on a budget and would like to keep it at $1000 for now, things like intake, cam and other items i would like to put in after the rebuild, but please specify what you guys think is good and works together.

Thanks

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Under Construction 66 Coupe
-289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

Ron1 · 07-29-2001, 03:07 AM

I think the rebuild alone might chew up the $1000.00. If you think about the machine shop work, hot tank, mag, bore & hone. Maybe do a .010/.010 on the crank, new bearings. Freshen up the heads a bit..that could run an easy $550.00. Then new rings, a gasket set....looks like about $1500.00 alraedy. Remember there is a reason it's smoking. Could be valve problem, ring problem...who knows until the crack it open.

Ron

Dark Knight · 07-29-2001, 04:34 AM

well, it really depends on why it's smoking... could just be carb probs... I'd start saving cash.. things like changing the cam are a PITA when the engines in the car...
better to do all of it at once...less chance of oil leaks too...

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84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer
3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties
stock cam, 1.7's
13.85@102.5
and a '68 stang that WAS nasty ;-)

Rev · 07-29-2001, 08:56 PM

Yikes, I don't think you can really get even a mediocre rebuild for $1000. I'd be thinking maybe $3000+ for a mild street build up. Even then, it'll probably be more after you total it all.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

[This message has been edited by Rev (edited 07-29-2001).]

66 Racer · 07-30-2001, 12:03 AM

Really? I havent talked to any mechanics, but i heard i could get an engine rebuild for around $800-$1000. I do want to get a good rebuild though. Im not planning on putting a new crankshaft or anything. I was planning on new pistons, con-rods, and all the other standard parts that get replaced. But what parts do you guys have in mind, i want to build a good street racer engine, something that con handle good power, i might put a NOS system in the car later on. I also need a new tranny, my stock 3spd isnt cutting it, i dont know why Ford even offered it with a 289. So as you can see the car is looking at a lot of money going torwards it in the future, I dont mind spending on an engine rebuild if its really going to help my car perform. I also wanted to ask a friend of mine who what he thinks would work good with the car, he has a killer 67.

see ya guys later

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Under Construction 66 Coupe
-289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

jwboner · 07-30-2001, 01:30 AM

If the guy at the machine shop is a nice guy they will probably take a look at the block w/o heads and could give you a decent estimate of what could be wrong and how much, but don't think it is written in stone. Sourcing a 5.0 engine from maybe a swap meet and building it up a little before switching them out. Could be cheapest way and most convienent.

Brian Browning · 07-30-2001, 10:00 AM

I know that parts are cheaper for 350 chevys than anything else, but last fall I had a motor built for my El Camino. It was a four bolt main, bored .30 over, mild cam, flat top pistons, etc. It was 1800 (parts + labor) to pull my engine, and replace it with the rebuilt one. I think 500 of that was labor. For what its worth.

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65 convertible
'66 289 Hi Po motor, 351 heads, headers, duals, shelby intake, petronix,
4 speed top loader, 389 rear, road demon

Brian Browning · 07-30-2001, 10:43 AM

I know that parts are cheaper for 350 chevys than anything else, but last fall I had a motor built for my El Camino. It was a four bolt main, bored .30 over, mild cam, flat top pistons, etc. It was 1800 (parts + labor) to pull my engine, and replace it with the rebuilt one. I think 500 of that was labor. For what its worth.

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65 convertible
'66 289 Hi Po motor, 351 heads, headers, duals, shelby intake, petronix,
4 speed top loader, 389 rear, road demon

Clark Rodgers · 07-30-2001, 11:19 AM

66 Racer,
The key thing here is how much work are you wanting to do? The machine work will cost you at least $500.00, then if you want to upgrade your cam & lifters, which I highly recommend, then you will need another $150. You mentioned NOS, you better upgrade your head and connecting rod bolts another $100. This all will not include bearings, gaskets, timing chain, water pump, etc..

Bottom line is you might pull off a rebuild for this price but not a high performance one. I am building a 393w stroker and it will be running me about $2500. This is with alot of ebaying and swap meets finding good deals.

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69 351W Sportsroof deluxe

66 Racer · 07-30-2001, 04:11 PM

Man, well, im going to spend whatever it takes. I was thinking about getting one of the summit rebuild kits, which basically includes bearings, gaskets, piston rings, and pistons for about $600. But the way i drive the car, and the way i want to kick every rice rockets @$$, the more i see that i should go balls out on this rebuild. I would be looking to spend $3000 or more if i have too. One thing though, do you guys think i should get a new tranny 1st? since it looks like it will be cheaper, i only have a 3spd, but its in good condition. I know a tranny will help my car out A LOT.

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Under Construction 66 Coupe
-289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

Rev · 07-30-2001, 07:08 PM

If you're thinking of N2O2 in the future, go ahead and get forged pistons in the rebuild. More money now, but maybe some peace of mind later.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

j's69stang · 07-31-2001, 12:08 AM

when i got my 302 rebiult, i pulled it out myself and got it bored .060 over, and 282 comp cam, flat top hyperuetectics, 3 angle valve job, some head work, and then went and bought an intake, headers, and carb for all under 1000 dollars. it runs bad a## just need some gears for it now.

66 Racer · 08-01-2001, 09:56 PM

Hey guys,

well, im $500 back on my rebuild, my clutch is smoked and the car is in the shop getting a centerline clutch installed. I might avoid the Nitrous Oxide for the car and just keep it running without the "bottle". I was looking at performer heads and intake maniforld from edlebrock, and getting a summit rebuild kit, about con rods, i have no clue to what i want, and im planning on keeping the crank stock. Im not sure on what to get for a cam either, i want great low end power but with good top speed, my car toped out at 115mph the other day on the freeway, and i still wonder why insurance is higher for people under 25. Where i want all my power though is in the bottom end.

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Under Construction 66 Coupe
-289 V8 4 barrel 600cfm Holley carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

[This message has been edited by 66 Racer (edited 08-01-2001).]

Rev · 08-02-2001, 03:08 PM

If you're considering Edelbrock heads and manifold, why not get their coordinated kit and include their street cam too. That combo should be just what you're looking for with the low end torque for street application.

On the short block, use cheaper hypereutectic pistons if no N2O2 is planned. Stock rods (at least resized and better new) should do OK for what you describe. Do be sure to use after market rod bolts from ARP or Pioneer.

You'll need good headers and a good exhaust system to make all this other stuff work.

All this new stuff is going to cost multiples of that original $1000 budget.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

66 Racer · 08-05-2001, 01:08 AM

thanks,

Yeah, just the heads alone are going over the $1000, but i want to do it right the first time. I think I might put the rebuild away till i get a 5 speed tranny, why have all that power if its not being used right with a 3spd? You know, my smoking problem only happens in high rpms, like when my foot is on the floor, but i have been told from more than one source that it may just be a carb tunning issue, hopefully thats all it is. That way i wont feel unsure about the tranny wait.

---Anthony

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Under Construction 66 Coupe
-289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

07-28-2001, 06:58 PM	#1
66 Racer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 77	Rebuilding engine... Hey, Well, i have a 289 V8 with a holley 4b carb, and headers, Im planning a rebuild, its already starting to smoke. Well, i wanted to put some better that stock parts in it since i plan to do a little drag racing with it. What kind of engine setup would you guys recomend, im on a budget and would like to keep it at $1000 for now, things like intake, cam and other items i would like to put in after the rebuild, but please specify what you guys think is good and works together. Thanks ------------------ Under Construction 66 Coupe -289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

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07-29-2001, 03:07 AM	#2
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	I think the rebuild alone might chew up the $1000.00. If you think about the machine shop work, hot tank, mag, bore & hone. Maybe do a .010/.010 on the crank, new bearings. Freshen up the heads a bit..that could run an easy $550.00. Then new rings, a gasket set....looks like about $1500.00 alraedy. Remember there is a reason it's smoking. Could be valve problem, ring problem...who knows until the crack it open. Ron

07-29-2001, 04:34 AM	#3
Dark Knight Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Az Posts: 854	well, it really depends on why it's smoking... could just be carb probs... I'd start saving cash.. things like changing the cam are a PITA when the engines in the car... better to do all of it at once...less chance of oil leaks too... ------------------ 84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer 3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties stock cam, 1.7's 13.85@102.5 and a '68 stang that WAS nasty ;-)

07-29-2001, 08:56 PM	#4
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Yikes, I don't think you can really get even a mediocre rebuild for $1000. I'd be thinking maybe $3000+ for a mild street build up. Even then, it'll probably be more after you total it all. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. [This message has been edited by Rev (edited 07-29-2001).]

07-30-2001, 12:03 AM	#5
66 Racer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 77	Really? I havent talked to any mechanics, but i heard i could get an engine rebuild for around $800-$1000. I do want to get a good rebuild though. Im not planning on putting a new crankshaft or anything. I was planning on new pistons, con-rods, and all the other standard parts that get replaced. But what parts do you guys have in mind, i want to build a good street racer engine, something that con handle good power, i might put a NOS system in the car later on. I also need a new tranny, my stock 3spd isnt cutting it, i dont know why Ford even offered it with a 289. So as you can see the car is looking at a lot of money going torwards it in the future, I dont mind spending on an engine rebuild if its really going to help my car perform. I also wanted to ask a friend of mine who what he thinks would work good with the car, he has a killer 67. see ya guys later ------------------ Under Construction 66 Coupe -289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

07-30-2001, 01:30 AM	#6
jwboner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Under the hood Posts: 164	If the guy at the machine shop is a nice guy they will probably take a look at the block w/o heads and could give you a decent estimate of what could be wrong and how much, but don't think it is written in stone. Sourcing a 5.0 engine from maybe a swap meet and building it up a little before switching them out. Could be cheapest way and most convienent.

07-30-2001, 10:00 AM	#7
Brian Browning Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Posts: 86	I know that parts are cheaper for 350 chevys than anything else, but last fall I had a motor built for my El Camino. It was a four bolt main, bored .30 over, mild cam, flat top pistons, etc. It was 1800 (parts + labor) to pull my engine, and replace it with the rebuilt one. I think 500 of that was labor. For what its worth. ------------------ 65 convertible '66 289 Hi Po motor, 351 heads, headers, duals, shelby intake, petronix, 4 speed top loader, 389 rear, road demon

07-30-2001, 10:43 AM	#8
Brian Browning Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Posts: 86	I know that parts are cheaper for 350 chevys than anything else, but last fall I had a motor built for my El Camino. It was a four bolt main, bored .30 over, mild cam, flat top pistons, etc. It was 1800 (parts + labor) to pull my engine, and replace it with the rebuilt one. I think 500 of that was labor. For what its worth. ------------------ 65 convertible '66 289 Hi Po motor, 351 heads, headers, duals, shelby intake, petronix, 4 speed top loader, 389 rear, road demon

07-30-2001, 11:19 AM	#9
Clark Rodgers Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Rowlett,Texas Posts: 306	66 Racer, The key thing here is how much work are you wanting to do? The machine work will cost you at least $500.00, then if you want to upgrade your cam & lifters, which I highly recommend, then you will need another $150. You mentioned NOS, you better upgrade your head and connecting rod bolts another $100. This all will not include bearings, gaskets, timing chain, water pump, etc.. Bottom line is you might pull off a rebuild for this price but not a high performance one. I am building a 393w stroker and it will be running me about $2500. This is with alot of ebaying and swap meets finding good deals. ------------------ 69 351W Sportsroof deluxe

07-30-2001, 04:11 PM	#10
66 Racer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 77	Man, well, im going to spend whatever it takes. I was thinking about getting one of the summit rebuild kits, which basically includes bearings, gaskets, piston rings, and pistons for about $600. But the way i drive the car, and the way i want to kick every rice rockets @$$, the more i see that i should go balls out on this rebuild. I would be looking to spend $3000 or more if i have too. One thing though, do you guys think i should get a new tranny 1st? since it looks like it will be cheaper, i only have a 3spd, but its in good condition. I know a tranny will help my car out A LOT. ------------------ Under Construction 66 Coupe -289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust

07-30-2001, 07:08 PM	#11
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	If you're thinking of N2O2 in the future, go ahead and get forged pistons in the rebuild. More money now, but maybe some peace of mind later. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

07-31-2001, 12:08 AM	#12
j's69stang Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 102	when i got my 302 rebiult, i pulled it out myself and got it bored .060 over, and 282 comp cam, flat top hyperuetectics, 3 angle valve job, some head work, and then went and bought an intake, headers, and carb for all under 1000 dollars. it runs bad a## just need some gears for it now.

08-01-2001, 09:56 PM	#13
66 Racer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 77	Hey guys, well, im $500 back on my rebuild, my clutch is smoked and the car is in the shop getting a centerline clutch installed. I might avoid the Nitrous Oxide for the car and just keep it running without the "bottle". I was looking at performer heads and intake maniforld from edlebrock, and getting a summit rebuild kit, about con rods, i have no clue to what i want, and im planning on keeping the crank stock. Im not sure on what to get for a cam either, i want great low end power but with good top speed, my car toped out at 115mph the other day on the freeway, and i still wonder why insurance is higher for people under 25. Where i want all my power though is in the bottom end. ------------------ Under Construction 66 Coupe -289 V8 4 barrel 600cfm Holley carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust [This message has been edited by 66 Racer (edited 08-01-2001).]

08-02-2001, 03:08 PM	#14
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	If you're considering Edelbrock heads and manifold, why not get their coordinated kit and include their street cam too. That combo should be just what you're looking for with the low end torque for street application. On the short block, use cheaper hypereutectic pistons if no N2O2 is planned. Stock rods (at least resized and better new) should do OK for what you describe. Do be sure to use after market rod bolts from ARP or Pioneer. You'll need good headers and a good exhaust system to make all this other stuff work. All this new stuff is going to cost multiples of that original $1000 budget. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

08-05-2001, 01:08 AM	#15
66 Racer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Covina, CA Posts: 77	thanks, Yeah, just the heads alone are going over the $1000, but i want to do it right the first time. I think I might put the rebuild away till i get a 5 speed tranny, why have all that power if its not being used right with a 3spd? You know, my smoking problem only happens in high rpms, like when my foot is on the floor, but i have been told from more than one source that it may just be a carb tunning issue, hopefully thats all it is. That way i wont feel unsure about the tranny wait. ---Anthony ------------------ Under Construction 66 Coupe -289 V8 4 barrel Holley 600cfm carb - Headers - Flowmaster 2 1/2 dual exaust