[Phantom5oh]

Chris, thanks for backing me up. I hate being out numbered even if I do know what I am talking about (which isn't often HAHAHA). There is safety in numbers.

I've seen these things move, and they are unreal. Then that show on Crank and Chrome, I mean come on over 650 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels!!!

Earlier someone asked what the point of owning a Mustang was if it can't beat a truck? Well I am begining to think its the pride of owning a "Mustang" and knowing its got a V8 underhood. There is this huge influx of new German and Jap cars that even in stock trim (I hate to admit this) can outperform stock Stangs. The trend is leaning to smaller more efficient engines that make good hp but less torque. As an example look at the Stang. The 5.0 pushrod engine was nixed in favor of a more efficient higher revving 4.6 modular. Granted it makes more power now, but thats where the trend is heading. Now stock stangs (older ones)are losing to trucks and imports, where IS this heading?

Steve