cam selection

avbcon12 · 10-05-2002, 03:12 PM

hey guys, its been a while since ive been here. i love this site, very helpful.

anyway, i want to take advantage of everything in my sig. so i need a cam (or do i?). i want to make the most power possible while keeping a well manored car (street driving). there are a ton of cams out there and dont know much about them as far as selection for my combo. the thing i DO NOT want to do is over-cam it. i dont want to put a huge cam in it that is going to hurt performance and drivability.

i will be working the valvetrain around the cam. meaning get 1.6RR if i have to...

please help me out. my goal is to run low 12's high 11's consistantly next spring..

take care,
adam

HotRoddin · 10-05-2002, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by avbcon12
i dont want to put a huge cam in it that is going to hurt performance and drivability.

please help me out. my goal is to run low 12's high 11's consistantly next spring.

An 11 second car that has the drivability of a street machine is real tall order !!

Even though i know all of us on this board are incredibly brilliant

I think what you need to do is contact the cam mfg. and tell them what you have and what you want it to do. They engineer those cams ... nobody knows better than they do what that cam will and won't do, and they are always more than willing to help.

avbcon12 · 10-05-2002, 04:16 PM

i know many mustangs around here that run 12-11's consitantly that run very well on the street... with that said i have contacted the manufacturers but they do not have the practical knowledge of what works best in mustangs. they just tell you what is good about their own cams and im looking for some people that have been around and into mustangs for a while with cam experience to tell me what they think works best.

i have been told that the e303 cam is a good off the shelf cam for this situation. i know it is a little rough for the street (so im told) but do you think it woul be a good choice? if so please elaborate why.

thanks a lot,
adam

avbcon12 · 10-05-2002, 08:51 PM

anybody ?

thanks,
adam

Hozer 88GTConv · 10-05-2002, 10:00 PM

Mustang Performance Handbook by William Mathis has a very good chapter on cams and cam selection.
The E cam is a little aggressive, but I will be going with it or something very close to it's lift.
My B cam is good, likes to idle around 800-850 though, sounds great and is very streetable.
The E cam is still streetable if you can handle minor tuning on your own and it will want to idle a little higher, I have read around 950-1000 rpm. It is very "lopey" and may not tolerate weather extremes as well as a milder cam.
Good Luck...

fiveOguy20 · 10-05-2002, 10:14 PM

in my opinion i'd go Bcam cuz of its streetablity an the good amount of power it makes.. lumpier idle than E cuz of the higher duration, Ecam is 220/220 @50 at the Bcam is 224/224 @50. an the E's lift is not really enough to were u would notice a huge gain..only about .019 difference between the 2 cams..

good luck man with w/e u decide to do

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 09:59 AM

thanks a lot guys. now what kinds of gains would i see with going to either a B or E cam?

thanks,
adam

88fivepointoh · 10-06-2002, 10:27 AM

To keep it streetable i would go with a B303 or at most E303... I am running the F303 and its a little to big for street driving.. the B303 is a great supercharger cam as well as the E303 for street driving.. The F303 cam has a tendency to buck at lower RPM's especially when the air temps are cooler.. hope this helps ya..

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 10:46 AM

yea. that does help. tels me that the ecam may be too big as well for what i want.

as for the power increase of a cam do you think it would be worth it right now or should i just do like aluminum driveshaft, pulleys, and some more little things...?

thanks a lot,
adam

88fivepointoh · 10-06-2002, 11:13 AM

If i was you, I would go with a B303 cam.. that would be a excellent cam for your application.. The electric cooling fan is good.. it is defenitly helping you.. The crane ignition system would be a good chioce for HP and economy, as well as a aftermarket distributor.. the original ford ones are junk.. I need to get one for my car as a winter distributor for winter start up now and then, before i spend 300 on a billit one this next season. but an ignition boost and the b303 would be good. the driveshaft will help, it wieghts alot less and is smoother. let me know what you think...

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 11:54 AM

what do you think of the crower 15512? i know it is pretty aggresive but it is a dual profile cam which kinda offsets the aggresive numbers. my buddy had one in his mustang (he sold the mustang) and he loved it. you can see specs at
http://www.crower.com/cat/domestic/f...amshafts.shtml
let me know what you think of this one. or even look at the 15511 cam which is a little more mild... would you recomend one and if so which one?

thanks for all the help,
adam

88fivepointoh · 10-06-2002, 12:03 PM

I would go for a milder cam... I don't know how the non ford cams work with the 302's.. I have heard of a few issues with non ford cams. The one you asked me to look at is pretty close to the F303 cam.. So i would say its to big.. I would go with a ford cam for 2 reasons, A. there reliable and B. there less money.. the B-303 cam is much cheaper 169.00 at www.summitracing.com
many people use these cams and are extremely happy.. let me know what you think.

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 12:10 PM

do you think that the crower 15511 would be ok? it seems like its pretty mild.

i know poeple are very happy with the b-cam but it is kinda outdated single profile technology. the price as you have mentioned is deffinately a factor, thats why its a tough decision...

let me know what you think about the 15511.

thanks,
adam

88fivepointoh · 10-06-2002, 12:22 PM

the specs for the cam you are showing me is good.. 1800 to 6500 is good. its defenitly bigger than stock and not to crazy.. what model number ecm are you using.. ( on board computer? ) A9L, X32 etc? but all in all i like the spec numbers.. i wouldn't go any bigger than that one for street... let me know.. thanks!

88fivepointoh · 10-06-2002, 12:26 PM

hey buddy i was looking at your pictures.. I love the car.. very clean.. its in the same condition as mine.. very nice.. i noticed one thing, replace that stock air box with a cold air intake.. make sure its a K&N conical filter.. you'll like the HP from it.. I would recomend the BBK for 149 or less... its worth it!

http://www.mycrib.tv/photo2.html

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 12:30 PM

i am using the stock A9L computer.

thanks for the complements. i try to keep it clean and simple (subtle) changes in the appearance.

all of the tests that i have seen shows that there is no difference between the stock airbox and a CAI. because it pulles air from the fender anyways... is there really a difference?

if i can get the money for the crower 15511 cam (the smaller one) i think i may just do it... the other question is, do you think it is a better cam (for me) than the B303? i mean, do you think it will make as much or close to the B303 cam?

thanks,
adam

Hozer 88GTConv · 10-06-2002, 12:50 PM

I have had the B cam for about a year now and I have to say that with my limited experience, it's great.
It idles very well, doesn't get squirrelly at all and has lots of low end power topping out at around 5600 RPM. It really comes alive at 2700 RPM and by 4000, it's in it.
I know plenty of people hate the alphabet cams, but then why does Crane have cams with the exact same numbers? (2040 is a B cam)
I'll shut up now.

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 12:57 PM

i dont NOT like the alphebet cams i just hear that they are very outdated technology and duel profile cams are where its at these days. custiom cams are obviously the best but you get my drift. i may end up going with the b-cam just because its so cheap...

you said earlier that you were getting rid of your B-cam. want to sell it to me? let me know.

thanks,
adam

88fivepointoh · 10-06-2002, 06:06 PM

The Alphebet cams are old technology, however they are still around for a reason.. they make good power.. I heard from one guy that the new cams have a sort of modern day emmissions idea to them so i prefer the older forget about emmissions style.. I am sure its all bull but thats what I heard.. for the $$ i would stick with a B303 and put the rest towards a ignition upgrade. .As for the cold air intake, The fenderwell style cold are from bbk is great.. I think it makes a bit of difference..

avbcon12 · 10-06-2002, 06:17 PM

ok, b303 it is. i have decided... thanks for all the help guys. i cant wait for the winter rebuild! now the wuestion is should i stay with the 1.7 rockers i have now or buy some 1.6's?

thanks,
adam

10-05-2002, 03:12 PM	#1
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	cam selection hey guys, its been a while since ive been here. i love this site, very helpful. anyway, i want to take advantage of everything in my sig. so i need a cam (or do i?). i want to make the most power possible while keeping a well manored car (street driving). there are a ton of cams out there and dont know much about them as far as selection for my combo. the thing i DO NOT want to do is over-cam it. i dont want to put a huge cam in it that is going to hurt performance and drivability. i will be working the valvetrain around the cam. meaning get 1.6RR if i have to... please help me out. my goal is to run low 12's high 11's consistantly next spring.. take care, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-05-2002, 04:16 PM	#3
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	i know many mustangs around here that run 12-11's consitantly that run very well on the street... with that said i have contacted the manufacturers but they do not have the practical knowledge of what works best in mustangs. they just tell you what is good about their own cams and im looking for some people that have been around and into mustangs for a while with cam experience to tell me what they think works best. i have been told that the e303 cam is a good off the shelf cam for this situation. i know it is a little rough for the street (so im told) but do you think it woul be a good choice? if so please elaborate why. thanks a lot, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-05-2002, 08:51 PM	#4
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	anybody ? thanks, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-05-2002, 10:00 PM	#5
Hozer 88GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 706	cam... Mustang Performance Handbook by William Mathis has a very good chapter on cams and cam selection. The E cam is a little aggressive, but I will be going with it or something very close to it's lift. My B cam is good, likes to idle around 800-850 though, sounds great and is very streetable. The E cam is still streetable if you can handle minor tuning on your own and it will want to idle a little higher, I have read around 950-1000 rpm. It is very "lopey" and may not tolerate weather extremes as well as a milder cam. Good Luck... __________________ 1988 GT Convertible 331 10:1 TW heads, GT-40 intake, MSD, TRW flattops, B Cam w/ 1.7's, MAC exhaust, 24's, 70 TB, 76 MAF, 3.73's, Pro 5.0, Koni's, Anderson PMS, Wideband 02, yatta, yatta... One week with new motor, two speeding tickets...joy

10-06-2002, 09:59 AM	#7
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	thanks a lot guys. now what kinds of gains would i see with going to either a B or E cam? thanks, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-05-2002, 10:14 PM	#6
fiveOguy20 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 156	in my opinion i'd go Bcam cuz of its streetablity an the good amount of power it makes.. lumpier idle than E cuz of the higher duration, Ecam is 220/220 @50 at the Bcam is 224/224 @50. an the E's lift is not really enough to were u would notice a huge gain..only about .019 difference between the 2 cams.. good luck man with w/e u decide to do

10-06-2002, 10:27 AM	#8
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	To keep it streetable i would go with a B303 or at most E303... I am running the F303 and its a little to big for street driving.. the B303 is a great supercharger cam as well as the E303 for street driving.. The F303 cam has a tendency to buck at lower RPM's especially when the air temps are cooler.. hope this helps ya..

10-06-2002, 10:46 AM	#9
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	yea. that does help. tels me that the ecam may be too big as well for what i want. as for the power increase of a cam do you think it would be worth it right now or should i just do like aluminum driveshaft, pulleys, and some more little things...? thanks a lot, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-06-2002, 11:13 AM	#10
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	If i was you, I would go with a B303 cam.. that would be a excellent cam for your application.. The electric cooling fan is good.. it is defenitly helping you.. The crane ignition system would be a good chioce for HP and economy, as well as a aftermarket distributor.. the original ford ones are junk.. I need to get one for my car as a winter distributor for winter start up now and then, before i spend 300 on a billit one this next season. but an ignition boost and the b303 would be good. the driveshaft will help, it wieghts alot less and is smoother. let me know what you think...

10-06-2002, 11:54 AM	#11
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	what do you think of the crower 15512? i know it is pretty aggresive but it is a dual profile cam which kinda offsets the aggresive numbers. my buddy had one in his mustang (he sold the mustang) and he loved it. you can see specs at http://www.crower.com/cat/domestic/f...amshafts.shtml let me know what you think of this one. or even look at the 15511 cam which is a little more mild... would you recomend one and if so which one? thanks for all the help, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-06-2002, 12:03 PM	#12
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	I would go for a milder cam... I don't know how the non ford cams work with the 302's.. I have heard of a few issues with non ford cams. The one you asked me to look at is pretty close to the F303 cam.. So i would say its to big.. I would go with a ford cam for 2 reasons, A. there reliable and B. there less money.. the B-303 cam is much cheaper 169.00 at www.summitracing.com many people use these cams and are extremely happy.. let me know what you think.

10-06-2002, 12:10 PM	#13
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	do you think that the crower 15511 would be ok? it seems like its pretty mild. i know poeple are very happy with the b-cam but it is kinda outdated single profile technology. the price as you have mentioned is deffinately a factor, thats why its a tough decision... let me know what you think about the 15511. thanks, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

10-06-2002, 12:22 PM	#14
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	the specs for the cam you are showing me is good.. 1800 to 6500 is good. its defenitly bigger than stock and not to crazy.. what model number ecm are you using.. ( on board computer? ) A9L, X32 etc? but all in all i like the spec numbers.. i wouldn't go any bigger than that one for street... let me know.. thanks!

10-06-2002, 12:26 PM	#15
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	hey buddy i was looking at your pictures.. I love the car.. very clean.. its in the same condition as mine.. very nice.. i noticed one thing, replace that stock air box with a cold air intake.. make sure its a K&N conical filter.. you'll like the HP from it.. I would recomend the BBK for 149 or less... its worth it! http://www.mycrib.tv/photo2.html

10-06-2002, 12:30 PM	#16
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	i am using the stock A9L computer. thanks for the complements. i try to keep it clean and simple (subtle) changes in the appearance. all of the tests that i have seen shows that there is no difference between the stock airbox and a CAI. because it pulles air from the fender anyways... is there really a difference? if i can get the money for the crower 15511 cam (the smaller one) i think i may just do it... the other question is, do you think it is a better cam (for me) than the B303? i mean, do you think it will make as much or close to the B303 cam? thanks, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com Last edited by avbcon12; 10-06-2002 at 12:37 PM..

10-06-2002, 12:50 PM	#17
Hozer 88GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 706	B303... I have had the B cam for about a year now and I have to say that with my limited experience, it's great. It idles very well, doesn't get squirrelly at all and has lots of low end power topping out at around 5600 RPM. It really comes alive at 2700 RPM and by 4000, it's in it. I know plenty of people hate the alphabet cams, but then why does Crane have cams with the exact same numbers? (2040 is a B cam) I'll shut up now. __________________ 1988 GT Convertible 331 10:1 TW heads, GT-40 intake, MSD, TRW flattops, B Cam w/ 1.7's, MAC exhaust, 24's, 70 TB, 76 MAF, 3.73's, Pro 5.0, Koni's, Anderson PMS, Wideband 02, yatta, yatta... One week with new motor, two speeding tickets...joy

10-06-2002, 12:57 PM	#18
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	i dont NOT like the alphebet cams i just hear that they are very outdated technology and duel profile cams are where its at these days. custiom cams are obviously the best but you get my drift. i may end up going with the b-cam just because its so cheap... you said earlier that you were getting rid of your B-cam. want to sell it to me? let me know. thanks, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com Last edited by avbcon12; 10-06-2002 at 01:04 PM..

10-06-2002, 06:06 PM	#19
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	The Alphebet cams are old technology, however they are still around for a reason.. they make good power.. I heard from one guy that the new cams have a sort of modern day emmissions idea to them so i prefer the older forget about emmissions style.. I am sure its all bull but thats what I heard.. for the $$ i would stick with a B303 and put the rest towards a ignition upgrade. .As for the cold air intake, The fenderwell style cold are from bbk is great.. I think it makes a bit of difference..

10-06-2002, 06:17 PM	#20
avbcon12 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 391	ok, b303 it is. i have decided... thanks for all the help guys. i cant wait for the winter rebuild! now the wuestion is should i stay with the 1.7 rockers i have now or buy some 1.6's? thanks, adam __________________ 90 GT black/ grey leather ported GT-40 heads w/ 1.7RR, Cobra intake w/ ported lower, 24# injectors, 190LPH pump, 75mm Pro-M MAF, 65mm TB, K&N panel, BBK long tubes, Off road H-pipe, 2 ch. Flowmaster, Black magic fan, Kirban FPR, 180 deg. T-stat, 3.73's, Steeda Tri-Ax, 130 amp alt. Accell 8.8 race wires/cap/rotor, motorcraft plugs, Factory Five suspension, etc etc etc.... http://avbcon12.stangnet.com

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