AFR question

mustangbob19 · 10-03-2001, 09:36 PM

I'm in the middle of planning my combo for my 90 GT. My goal is to be at 12.9 in the 1/4. I decided on AFR heads and was wondering if the 165's would support times in this range.

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1990 Mustang GT 5.0
1966 Mustang 200 six
2001 Ford F-150 5.4

todd95GT · 10-03-2001, 09:44 PM

definately. and they have the potential to go a lot farther and faster than that. the 165's actually flow within close spec to the 185's.

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Todd
1995 GT/T-5
Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing

LfiveohX · 10-03-2001, 09:47 PM

Are the 185's too big for a subtle N/A combo? I've seen alot of people talking about the 165's but the 185's are not that much more money. Are the 185's still smog legal?

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1993 Conv. LX 5.0, Air in the tires, Fuel in the tank, Put the top down, Floor it till it breaks!

mustangbob19 · 10-03-2001, 10:11 PM

Would 24lb. injectors be right?

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1990 Mustang GT 5.0
1966 Mustang 200 six
2001 Ford F-150 5.4

fiveohpatrol · 10-03-2001, 10:30 PM

24lb'ers will work well for you, as long as you dont plan on a power adder down the line

the 185's are more suited for a stroker or a 351, or maybe a 302 with a monster blower

good luck

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88 Notch, B&M Ripper, 3.73's, Ported E7's, Explorer int. w/ ported lower, pulleys, 1.7RR's, BBK headers, off-road H-pipe, flowmasters, subframes, 65mm TB, March ram air ,MSD coil, U/L control arms, 155lph f/p, Crane Adj.FPR, Nitto drag radials, best 1/4--> 13.76@101.4 on a 2.17 60ft

todd95GT · 10-03-2001, 11:00 PM

The 165's and 185's both retail at $1349.00. That's actually MSRP but I've seen them cheaper. After talking to my engine guru, I'm sold on AFR's. The 165 is definately a better choice for the 302 with it's smaller ports. A 185 head is a little large for a normally aspirated 5.0L, but they both flow very similar numbers. I'm going to build a 347 eventually with 185 AFR's. But I don't want to put them on my 302 in the meantime. I think I'll get the 165's and when I build the bigger motor, just have them ported.

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Todd
1995 GT/T-5
Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing

[This message has been edited by todd95GT (edited 10-04-2001).]

Dark Knight · 10-05-2001, 12:09 PM

when you get 'em, you'll see that there's not
alot of porting needed...the CNC port job is VERY nice ;-)

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84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer
3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties
stock cam, 1.7's
13.85@102.5
and a '68 stang that WAS nasty ;-)

todd95GT · 10-05-2001, 03:55 PM

Got a reply from AFR today. The tech said go with the 165's on a 302. Great with a blower. 185's would be fine with a 347, of course, but the 165's would flow quite enough to support a strong low and mid range curve with the larger stroker motor. And the previous post was definitely correct, after AFR cnc's their heads, there isn't too much left to remove. they're very nice heads and the staff so far has been very courteous.
ALSO...HE ADVISED THE 185's REQUIRE FLYCUTTING THE PISTONS ON A 302, JUST FYI FOR YOU GUYS!

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Todd
1995 GT/T-5
Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing

[This message has been edited by todd95GT (edited 10-05-2001).]

blue oval 50h · 10-07-2001, 11:21 AM

Here's my combo: AFR 165'5, 24# ers, box-stock cobra intake, 65mmTB, shitty 70mm MAF, 3000lbs with me, 4.10 gears, and 28" tires.
So far in 90 degree weather 12.31@109.9.

mustangbob19 · 10-07-2001, 11:37 AM

Those 4.10's really help don't they! What rpm are you running when cruising at 65 mph?

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1990 Mustang GT 5.0
1966 Mustang 200 six
2001 Ford F-150 5.4

mustangbob19 · 10-07-2001, 11:39 AM

Are you running drag radials? How about stock suspension?

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1990 Mustang GT 5.0
1966 Mustang 200 six
2001 Ford F-150 5.4

blue oval 50h · 10-07-2001, 01:16 PM

Suspension, groundpounder k-member, A-arms, coil-overs, Southside uppers and lowers. 65MPH is around 2500. 28x9 ET DRAG.
1.65 60' Going to a C-4 soon and maybe a 347. Oh and the cam is a NOS cam which i havent ran any as of yet. Stock shortblock.

blue oval 50h · 10-07-2001, 01:18 PM

6000 rpm shifts too.

10-03-2001, 09:36 PM	#1
mustangbob19 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Minnesota Posts: 125	AFR question I'm in the middle of planning my combo for my 90 GT. My goal is to be at 12.9 in the 1/4. I decided on AFR heads and was wondering if the 165's would support times in this range. ------------------ 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 1966 Mustang 200 six 2001 Ford F-150 5.4

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10-03-2001, 09:44 PM	#2
todd95GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, USA Posts: 191	definately. and they have the potential to go a lot farther and faster than that. the 165's actually flow within close spec to the 185's. ------------------ Todd 1995 GT/T-5 Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing

10-03-2001, 09:47 PM	#3
LfiveohX Addicted to the 5.0 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxnard, CA. USA Posts: 117	Are the 185's too big for a subtle N/A combo? I've seen alot of people talking about the 165's but the 185's are not that much more money. Are the 185's still smog legal? ------------------ 1993 Conv. LX 5.0, Air in the tires, Fuel in the tank, Put the top down, Floor it till it breaks!

10-03-2001, 10:11 PM	#4
mustangbob19 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Minnesota Posts: 125	Would 24lb. injectors be right? ------------------ 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 1966 Mustang 200 six 2001 Ford F-150 5.4

10-03-2001, 10:30 PM	#5
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	24lb'ers will work well for you, as long as you dont plan on a power adder down the line the 185's are more suited for a stroker or a 351, or maybe a 302 with a monster blower good luck ------------------ 88 Notch, B&M Ripper, 3.73's, Ported E7's, Explorer int. w/ ported lower, pulleys, 1.7RR's, BBK headers, off-road H-pipe, flowmasters, subframes, 65mm TB, March ram air ,MSD coil, U/L control arms, 155lph f/p, Crane Adj.FPR, Nitto drag radials, best 1/4--> 13.76@101.4 on a 2.17 60ft

10-03-2001, 11:00 PM	#6
todd95GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, USA Posts: 191	The 165's and 185's both retail at $1349.00. That's actually MSRP but I've seen them cheaper. After talking to my engine guru, I'm sold on AFR's. The 165 is definately a better choice for the 302 with it's smaller ports. A 185 head is a little large for a normally aspirated 5.0L, but they both flow very similar numbers. I'm going to build a 347 eventually with 185 AFR's. But I don't want to put them on my 302 in the meantime. I think I'll get the 165's and when I build the bigger motor, just have them ported. ------------------ Todd 1995 GT/T-5 Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing [This message has been edited by todd95GT (edited 10-04-2001).]

10-05-2001, 12:09 PM	#7
Dark Knight Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Az Posts: 854	when you get 'em, you'll see that there's not alot of porting needed...the CNC port job is VERY nice ;-) ------------------ 84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer 3.55's, underdrives BBK shorties stock cam, 1.7's 13.85@102.5 and a '68 stang that WAS nasty ;-)

10-05-2001, 03:55 PM	#8
todd95GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, USA Posts: 191	Got a reply from AFR today. The tech said go with the 165's on a 302. Great with a blower. 185's would be fine with a 347, of course, but the 165's would flow quite enough to support a strong low and mid range curve with the larger stroker motor. And the previous post was definitely correct, after AFR cnc's their heads, there isn't too much left to remove. they're very nice heads and the staff so far has been very courteous. ALSO...HE ADVISED THE 185's REQUIRE FLYCUTTING THE PISTONS ON A 302, JUST FYI FOR YOU GUYS! ------------------ Todd 1995 GT/T-5 Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing [This message has been edited by todd95GT (edited 10-05-2001).]

10-07-2001, 11:21 AM	#9
blue oval 50h Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: NJ Posts: 219	Here's my combo: AFR 165'5, 24# ers, box-stock cobra intake, 65mmTB, shitty 70mm MAF, 3000lbs with me, 4.10 gears, and 28" tires. So far in 90 degree weather 12.31@109.9.

10-07-2001, 11:37 AM	#10
mustangbob19 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Minnesota Posts: 125	Those 4.10's really help don't they! What rpm are you running when cruising at 65 mph? ------------------ 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 1966 Mustang 200 six 2001 Ford F-150 5.4

10-07-2001, 11:39 AM	#11
mustangbob19 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Minnesota Posts: 125	Are you running drag radials? How about stock suspension? ------------------ 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 1966 Mustang 200 six 2001 Ford F-150 5.4

10-07-2001, 01:16 PM	#12
blue oval 50h Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: NJ Posts: 219	Suspension, groundpounder k-member, A-arms, coil-overs, Southside uppers and lowers. 65MPH is around 2500. 28x9 ET DRAG. 1.65 60' Going to a C-4 soon and maybe a 347. Oh and the cam is a NOS cam which i havent ran any as of yet. Stock shortblock.

10-07-2001, 01:18 PM	#13
blue oval 50h Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1998 Location: NJ Posts: 219	6000 rpm shifts too.