Sits between my Heads...

Phantom5oh · 12-30-2001, 11:15 AM

Ok I am in the market for a new intake, I am either going to get the Performer RPM or the RPM Air Gap intake for my carbed 306 Check out my car and mods by clicking on the link in my Sig.

I like the Air Gap and am probably going to get that, but what I need to know is will it work in my car? The Intake doesn't have a rear water crossover in the back like the Performer RPM does or like my current Torker II intake. Is this going to be a problem? Why wouldn't they put a crossover in? Will my heads get too hot or my engine overheat?

Thanks,
Steve

Nitrous Al · 12-30-2001, 12:07 PM

Steve, I'd go with the Performer RPM. I've haven't heard alot of info on the "Air Gap" intake. Who built your engine? Are you still looking to make 450 hp?

Phantom5oh · 12-31-2001, 11:57 AM

Hey Al, my buddy @ Sgarzi's Machine Works built the motor. He did the machine work and balanced it, then put the long block together for me. He didn't want me to get the Torker II intake or the carb I am running now, because he knew I would be unhappy with them. He and most other builders in my area said the Torker II flows too much volume, with not enough velocity and makes a very weak power band. I didn't listen and got them anyways because I got a great deal on them ($200 carb and intake).

From what I understand the RPM "Air Gap" and the Performer RPM are the same intakes internally, except the Air Gap intake has the runners seperated from the lifter valley to keep the heat soak down. Creating a "cooler denser intake charge." They flow the same because they are the same. Thats what I was told anyways.

450 HP is my current goal. When Sgarzi's Machine Works put together my combo 2 years ago my goal was only 300 HP @ the flywheel. He hit that number right on the nose. My RWHP is 265 right now and with 18% correction (for drivetrain losses) I make 310 @ the flywheel. So I WAS happy, but now I am greedy and want more! So bring on 450!!!

Steve

Nitrous Al · 01-01-2002, 02:48 PM

Steve, how much did they charge you for your engine? I'm "on the fence" about having a local shop build me a motor or buy one from D.S.S. or Central Coast Mustang. CCM quoted me a price on a 320hp 5.0 longblock for $1900. Can Sgarzi's Machine Works build me the same motor for that price? CCM's motor has GT-40P iron heads, Hypereutectic pistons, etc. How much did Sgarzi charge you?

Phantom5oh · 01-01-2002, 03:45 PM

Well I am sure SMW could build it for you for that price. It all depends on what else you put into it, and what you supply him with. He won't B/S you, but he does have a reputation to keep up so he will of course recomend the best, but he will do what you want. Machine work is the most expensive part of setting up the bottom end, so a fresh block or something that needs little work would be best. He doesn't have a stock of fresh 302's so you might need to supply him with it.

Actually DSS, CCM, and places like that have very good prices for low level power combo long blocks. SMW just set up a 350 Chevy for me last month. I gave him the block, crank, rods, pistons, and heads. Everything was in spec so it didn't need to be machined. All we did was clean it all up, turn down the stock crank, gave it a ring job and have it balanced. We also did a roller cam conversion. The cam conversion was $650 but thats not anything you would need to do. I paid $1809 for everything, but I had most of the parts for it to begin with. I also put it together myself. So subtract the $650 for the roller cam conversion and add the price of heads and you have about $1900 for a long block.

If your interested in talking to SMW let me know and I can give you the number.

Steve

Nitrous Al · 01-02-2002, 06:11 PM

Steve, I'm sorry. I posted a message to you yesterday and this morning when I checked, It didn't show up. I'll be calling SMW in about a month. A guy I chat with on another messageboard is dropping a 350 with vortec heads in his Camaro. I told him I wanted to race him when he's finsh and he's already a few steps ahead of me. The other local guys on that 'board are building 11 sec GM cars this winter. We need a few Ford guys to show them who can build the more powerful car. I know they also race up at Epping and on dyno days at a local shop. Do you want to pick on a few GM cars this summer? I want to surprize a few LT1s this year. I think I'm going to have SMW build me a 347 with a forged rotating assembly. I'll stay in touch.

Phantom5oh · 01-02-2002, 08:47 PM

Sounds good to me! I will tell my buddy about it too. He has an 89 GT with an 8pt cage, tubular K-member, & suspension work. Hopefully his 331 stroker with Windsor Srs or AFR 185's with N2O is done by then.

So then you wouldn't want me to bring my Trans AM with that 350 I just built to the race huh??? HAHAHA I would bring the Stang don't worry!

Steve

12-30-2001, 11:15 AM	#1
Phantom5oh Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 334	Sits between my Heads... Ok I am in the market for a new intake, I am either going to get the Performer RPM or the RPM Air Gap intake for my carbed 306 Check out my car and mods by clicking on the link in my Sig. I like the Air Gap and am probably going to get that, but what I need to know is will it work in my car? The Intake doesn't have a rear water crossover in the back like the Performer RPM does or like my current Torker II intake. Is this going to be a problem? Why wouldn't they put a crossover in? Will my heads get too hot or my engine overheat? Thanks, Steve __________________ 95 GTS 03 DR 650SE Sgarzi's Machine Works

12-30-2001, 12:07 PM	#2
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Steve, I'd go with the Performer RPM. I've haven't heard alot of info on the "Air Gap" intake. Who built your engine? Are you still looking to make 450 hp? __________________ Nitrous Al

12-31-2001, 11:57 AM	#3
Phantom5oh Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 334	Hey Al, my buddy @ Sgarzi's Machine Works built the motor. He did the machine work and balanced it, then put the long block together for me. He didn't want me to get the Torker II intake or the carb I am running now, because he knew I would be unhappy with them. He and most other builders in my area said the Torker II flows too much volume, with not enough velocity and makes a very weak power band. I didn't listen and got them anyways because I got a great deal on them ($200 carb and intake). From what I understand the RPM "Air Gap" and the Performer RPM are the same intakes internally, except the Air Gap intake has the runners seperated from the lifter valley to keep the heat soak down. Creating a "cooler denser intake charge." They flow the same because they are the same. Thats what I was told anyways. 450 HP is my current goal. When Sgarzi's Machine Works put together my combo 2 years ago my goal was only 300 HP @ the flywheel. He hit that number right on the nose. My RWHP is 265 right now and with 18% correction (for drivetrain losses) I make 310 @ the flywheel. So I WAS happy, but now I am greedy and want more! So bring on 450!!! Steve __________________ 95 GTS 03 DR 650SE Sgarzi's Machine Works

01-01-2002, 02:48 PM	#4
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Steve, how much did they charge you for your engine? I'm "on the fence" about having a local shop build me a motor or buy one from D.S.S. or Central Coast Mustang. CCM quoted me a price on a 320hp 5.0 longblock for $1900. Can Sgarzi's Machine Works build me the same motor for that price? CCM's motor has GT-40P iron heads, Hypereutectic pistons, etc. How much did Sgarzi charge you? __________________ Nitrous Al

01-01-2002, 03:45 PM	#5
Phantom5oh Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 334	Well I am sure SMW could build it for you for that price. It all depends on what else you put into it, and what you supply him with. He won't B/S you, but he does have a reputation to keep up so he will of course recomend the best, but he will do what you want. Machine work is the most expensive part of setting up the bottom end, so a fresh block or something that needs little work would be best. He doesn't have a stock of fresh 302's so you might need to supply him with it. Actually DSS, CCM, and places like that have very good prices for low level power combo long blocks. SMW just set up a 350 Chevy for me last month. I gave him the block, crank, rods, pistons, and heads. Everything was in spec so it didn't need to be machined. All we did was clean it all up, turn down the stock crank, gave it a ring job and have it balanced. We also did a roller cam conversion. The cam conversion was $650 but thats not anything you would need to do. I paid $1809 for everything, but I had most of the parts for it to begin with. I also put it together myself. So subtract the $650 for the roller cam conversion and add the price of heads and you have about $1900 for a long block. If your interested in talking to SMW let me know and I can give you the number. Steve __________________ 95 GTS 03 DR 650SE Sgarzi's Machine Works

01-02-2002, 06:11 PM	#6
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Steve, I'm sorry. I posted a message to you yesterday and this morning when I checked, It didn't show up. I'll be calling SMW in about a month. A guy I chat with on another messageboard is dropping a 350 with vortec heads in his Camaro. I told him I wanted to race him when he's finsh and he's already a few steps ahead of me. The other local guys on that 'board are building 11 sec GM cars this winter. We need a few Ford guys to show them who can build the more powerful car. I know they also race up at Epping and on dyno days at a local shop. Do you want to pick on a few GM cars this summer? I want to surprize a few LT1s this year. I think I'm going to have SMW build me a 347 with a forged rotating assembly. I'll stay in touch. __________________ Nitrous Al

01-02-2002, 08:47 PM	#7
Phantom5oh Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 334	Sounds good to me! I will tell my buddy about it too. He has an 89 GT with an 8pt cage, tubular K-member, & suspension work. Hopefully his 331 stroker with Windsor Srs or AFR 185's with N2O is done by then. So then you wouldn't want me to bring my Trans AM with that 350 I just built to the race huh??? HAHAHA I would bring the Stang don't worry! Steve __________________ 95 GTS 03 DR 650SE Sgarzi's Machine Works

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