trying to get into the 12s - 11s. (need some help)

webb2002 · 05-20-2002, 08:43 AM

i want to get into the 12s - 11s. i need to know what kind of engine setup i need. like heads, cam, intake stuff like that. i want to do it n/a so i have room to put in a supercharger. I have a new 306 engine and the setup i have now just is not working for me, i have gt40x heads, e303 cam, cobra upper and lower intake. The best i have ran with slicks is: 13.20. Someone please help me out. i am looking to spend about $3,000. thank you very much.

Green9550 · 05-20-2002, 09:36 AM

I'm sorry to say it but you need new heads, cam, and intake. You would have to completely strip your car so it had almost nothing inside to get it too run that fast with that set up. I'm sure some people have gone that fast with a combo like that, but they had a striped race car. What do you have done to your car besides engine mods listed? You will need a good suspension and tires too.

-Billy

Smokedawg · 05-20-2002, 10:04 AM

As was stated, you are going to probably need another 2 grand to get you that far with a N/A 306. You will need heads, intake, cam, lots of suspension work, and some dieting. Or if you want to get into the 11's, just sale the stang and buy a honda already modded with lots and lots of colorful stickers! jk

webb2002 · 05-20-2002, 10:17 AM

that was my goal to get rid of my old setup. i need to know what kind of heads, cam, intake and stuff to get to get me there. i ordered 2,000 worth of suspension parts and i have nitto tires. my car weights 3350 with me in it. Someone sayed to get the holly Systemax 2 kit and port the heads and intake and i wil get there.

Smokedawg · 05-20-2002, 10:29 AM

Tubular front end, drag shocks with 70/30 or 90/10 struts, 50/50 drag shocks, new upper and lower control arms, subframe connectors, Holley Systemax II Intake, 75mm TB, 76mm MAF, 30lb Injectors, anderson cam, ported and polished heads, remove all weight that is unneeded..
That should get you deep into the 12s easy...

fiveohpatrol · 05-20-2002, 11:27 AM

although your combo would be very dificult to see high 11's. I think mid 12s are easily attainable. You need to get that thing tuned, and drive it like you stole it. What was your mph on that 13.2 run? 60ft time?

If you do some research, you'll find that alot of people can take a close to full weight stang on slicks and run high 11's on a 302/306 N/A. you just have to have the right combo, and have it in good tune.
I'd suggest AFR165's, Systemax or Edelbrock perf RPM intake, and an agressive cam that likes power up top. If you can drive, your motor is in good shape, and you are in good tune, then high 11s should be yours

good luck,
-Drew

fiveohpatrol · 05-20-2002, 11:29 AM

well before you quote me on any of that, we need to know what year stang it is and what tranny you have

if you have an SN95 convertable with an AOD-E then, then you can disregard everything i said about getting into the 11's

mysweetlx · 05-20-2002, 12:03 PM

Do you want to go 11's-12's n/a before a s/c??? If 12's w/out the blower is ok, then I think w/ the correct suspension mods, slicks, and switching to 4/10's since it looks like you have an AOD......w/ a good launch you should be in the mid 12's. Then add the s/c (and the necessary fuel delivery mods) and low-mid 11's will be easy.

Green9550 · 05-20-2002, 12:11 PM

I think if I were you and you had some money to spend on the right combo, I would call Ed Curtis. He knows his stuff. He could recomend what you should do to get there. His porting and cams are bad@ss. Good luck.

-Billy

webb2002 · 05-20-2002, 04:40 PM

i have a 1989 stang. i have a tremic 3350 in it. i dont know the right combo to put in the car. i have seen alot of diffent combos with i have not seen anything N/A going 12-11s with there setup. i just need to know what a good combo to do this is. Who is Ed Curtis?

Green9550 · 05-20-2002, 07:11 PM

Ed Curtis, Flow Tech Induction. He is a very experienced engine builder and racer. He is helping Pure Street racers acheive high 10's with combo's much like a street stang. I consider him to be one of the top people in the business. You tell him what you want and he will tell you how to get there. I would definitely give him a call. Actually I would email him. He is almost never around to talk to. His web site is www.flowtechinduction.com Good luck man.

-Billy

faststang90 · 05-20-2002, 09:50 PM

i have a 306 with canfienld heads 2.02/1.60 stg 2 port job 10.5:1 comp a utrladyne cam 565 288 dur with1.6 but has 1.7s holley intakes, 70mm tb.75 mam,30#s,1 5/8 longtubes with offroad and 2.5 flows and 355s and a tko tranny no ac no ps or smog pump
it has gone a 12.18 @112.99 with a 1.70 60 foot

Unit 5302 · 05-20-2002, 10:02 PM

88workcar went low 12's with a Cobra intake, edelbrock heads, and an E cam. He was speed density computer system.

exgmguy is in the high 11's/low 12's area N/A with TFS TW heads, E cam, 1.7's (I think) and a Holley intake.

skyman was capable of running low/mid 12's N/A before the giggle gas got his engine pushing for more. TFS TW heads, E cam, edelbrock intake. Course, he was lightened up too.

Don't know why everybody thinks you need some kind of psycho setup to get there. A great launch is 3/4 of the way. There are nearly bone stock engined 5.0's running high 12's with suspension, gears, and a couple minor mods. Not super hard to pick up 100hp over stock, and that would be high 11's with a killer suspension.

Killercanary · 05-20-2002, 11:25 PM

Not to spam or anything, but I too have to suggest Ed Curtis of FTI. I mean, the guy helped me get my near 3700lb 95 GT convertible to run 12.7's at a best mph of 106.96mph. The car is COMPLETELY streetable.

On a side note, my dad has a 91GT with the holley systemax II kit on it, 3.73 gears, pulleys, CAI, shorty headers, offroad X, borla mufflers w/ turndowns, Factory 5 UCA & LCA's, comp engineering subframes, and M/T ET streets. He ran 12.6 at 107mph last year. BUT..... we sent the kit to Ed C to be fully ported, flowed, custom cam, 10:1 SRP pistons, 4.30m gears, 31spline axles, TKO, and an 8pt S&W roll bar in hope of mid 11's N/A!!! The short block is being assembled as we speak. I'll be sure to update everyone when we get it to the track.

Skyman · 05-21-2002, 12:54 PM

No two cars run the same.

Have a port job done on your GT40X heads. Those are good heads, no reason to loose money selling them. Go with a SYSTEMAX II intake. 70MM TB, 24lb injectors and matching MAF.
Get a custom cam, and raise your compression to about 11:1.

You probably have all the exhaust already.

Go with a 4.10 gear, Slicks, 90/10s up front, 50/50s in the back, and drag springs.

Remove any uncessary weight and accessories, A/C, PS, etc.

W/ some tuneing that should get you there.

Skyler

05-20-2002, 08:43 AM	#1
webb2002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: staten island, ny Posts: 4	trying to get into the 12s - 11s. (need some help) i want to get into the 12s - 11s. i need to know what kind of engine setup i need. like heads, cam, intake stuff like that. i want to do it n/a so i have room to put in a supercharger. I have a new 306 engine and the setup i have now just is not working for me, i have gt40x heads, e303 cam, cobra upper and lower intake. The best i have ran with slicks is: 13.20. Someone please help me out. i am looking to spend about $3,000. thank you very much.

05-20-2002, 09:36 AM	#2
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	I'm sorry to say it but you need new heads, cam, and intake. You would have to completely strip your car so it had almost nothing inside to get it too run that fast with that set up. I'm sure some people have gone that fast with a combo like that, but they had a striped race car. What do you have done to your car besides engine mods listed? You will need a good suspension and tires too. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

05-20-2002, 10:04 AM	#3
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	As was stated, you are going to probably need another 2 grand to get you that far with a N/A 306. You will need heads, intake, cam, lots of suspension work, and some dieting. Or if you want to get into the 11's, just sale the stang and buy a honda already modded with lots and lots of colorful stickers! jk __________________ 1990 Mustang GT- 347 Stroker-Tremec 3550-Compucar Nitrous, AFR, Systemax Intake, AFM, 30lbers, 70MM TB, 76mm MAF, full suspension and lots more 1995 Chevy S-10 406 SBC, Dual tunnel ram, Dart heads, Nitrous, full tub, 4-link, adjustable drag shocks, coil-overs, 9in rearend, 4.56 gears...etc

05-20-2002, 10:29 AM	#5
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	Tubular front end, drag shocks with 70/30 or 90/10 struts, 50/50 drag shocks, new upper and lower control arms, subframe connectors, Holley Systemax II Intake, 75mm TB, 76mm MAF, 30lb Injectors, anderson cam, ported and polished heads, remove all weight that is unneeded.. That should get you deep into the 12s easy... __________________ 1990 Mustang GT- 347 Stroker-Tremec 3550-Compucar Nitrous, AFR, Systemax Intake, AFM, 30lbers, 70MM TB, 76mm MAF, full suspension and lots more 1995 Chevy S-10 406 SBC, Dual tunnel ram, Dart heads, Nitrous, full tub, 4-link, adjustable drag shocks, coil-overs, 9in rearend, 4.56 gears...etc

05-20-2002, 11:27 AM	#6
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	although your combo would be very dificult to see high 11's. I think mid 12s are easily attainable. You need to get that thing tuned, and drive it like you stole it. What was your mph on that 13.2 run? 60ft time? If you do some research, you'll find that alot of people can take a close to full weight stang on slicks and run high 11's on a 302/306 N/A. you just have to have the right combo, and have it in good tune. I'd suggest AFR165's, Systemax or Edelbrock perf RPM intake, and an agressive cam that likes power up top. If you can drive, your motor is in good shape, and you are in good tune, then high 11s should be yours good luck, -Drew __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

05-20-2002, 10:17 AM	#4
webb2002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: staten island, ny Posts: 4	that was my goal to get rid of my old setup. i need to know what kind of heads, cam, intake and stuff to get to get me there. i ordered 2,000 worth of suspension parts and i have nitto tires. my car weights 3350 with me in it. Someone sayed to get the holly Systemax 2 kit and port the heads and intake and i wil get there.

05-20-2002, 11:29 AM	#7
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	well before you quote me on any of that, we need to know what year stang it is and what tranny you have if you have an SN95 convertable with an AOD-E then, then you can disregard everything i said about getting into the 11's __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

05-20-2002, 12:03 PM	#8
mysweetlx Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 248	Do you want to go 11's-12's n/a before a s/c??? If 12's w/out the blower is ok, then I think w/ the correct suspension mods, slicks, and switching to 4/10's since it looks like you have an AOD......w/ a good launch you should be in the mid 12's. Then add the s/c (and the necessary fuel delivery mods) and low-mid 11's will be easy. __________________ Damn this thing's fast!

05-20-2002, 12:11 PM	#9
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	I think if I were you and you had some money to spend on the right combo, I would call Ed Curtis. He knows his stuff. He could recomend what you should do to get there. His porting and cams are bad@ss. Good luck. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

05-20-2002, 04:40 PM	#10
webb2002 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: staten island, ny Posts: 4	i have a 1989 stang. i have a tremic 3350 in it. i dont know the right combo to put in the car. i have seen alot of diffent combos with i have not seen anything N/A going 12-11s with there setup. i just need to know what a good combo to do this is. Who is Ed Curtis?

05-20-2002, 07:11 PM	#11
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Ed Curtis, Flow Tech Induction. He is a very experienced engine builder and racer. He is helping Pure Street racers acheive high 10's with combo's much like a street stang. I consider him to be one of the top people in the business. You tell him what you want and he will tell you how to get there. I would definitely give him a call. Actually I would email him. He is almost never around to talk to. His web site is www.flowtechinduction.com Good luck man. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

05-20-2002, 09:50 PM	#12
faststang90 Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: baytown,tx,us Posts: 128	low 12s i have a 306 with canfienld heads 2.02/1.60 stg 2 port job 10.5:1 comp a utrladyne cam 565 288 dur with1.6 but has 1.7s holley intakes, 70mm tb.75 mam,30#s,1 5/8 longtubes with offroad and 2.5 flows and 355s and a tko tranny no ac no ps or smog pump it has gone a 12.18 @112.99 with a 1.70 60 foot

05-20-2002, 10:02 PM	#13
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	88workcar went low 12's with a Cobra intake, edelbrock heads, and an E cam. He was speed density computer system. exgmguy is in the high 11's/low 12's area N/A with TFS TW heads, E cam, 1.7's (I think) and a Holley intake. skyman was capable of running low/mid 12's N/A before the giggle gas got his engine pushing for more. TFS TW heads, E cam, edelbrock intake. Course, he was lightened up too. Don't know why everybody thinks you need some kind of psycho setup to get there. A great launch is 3/4 of the way. There are nearly bone stock engined 5.0's running high 12's with suspension, gears, and a couple minor mods. Not super hard to pick up 100hp over stock, and that would be high 11's with a killer suspension.

05-20-2002, 11:25 PM	#14
Killercanary Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 336	Not to spam or anything, but I too have to suggest Ed Curtis of FTI. I mean, the guy helped me get my near 3700lb 95 GT convertible to run 12.7's at a best mph of 106.96mph. The car is COMPLETELY streetable. On a side note, my dad has a 91GT with the holley systemax II kit on it, 3.73 gears, pulleys, CAI, shorty headers, offroad X, borla mufflers w/ turndowns, Factory 5 UCA & LCA's, comp engineering subframes, and M/T ET streets. He ran 12.6 at 107mph last year. BUT..... we sent the kit to Ed C to be fully ported, flowed, custom cam, 10:1 SRP pistons, 4.30m gears, 31spline axles, TKO, and an 8pt S&W roll bar in hope of mid 11's N/A!!! The short block is being assembled as we speak. I'll be sure to update everyone when we get it to the track. __________________ -Paul Dec '04 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords Magazine Featured Car 1995 NA GT CONVERTIBLE BEST PASS TO DATE: 12.19 at 112.51 AFR's, FTI cam, edelbrock intake, EEC TUNER and all the bolt ons on the stock shortblock. http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary

05-21-2002, 12:54 PM	#15
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	No two cars run the same. Have a port job done on your GT40X heads. Those are good heads, no reason to loose money selling them. Go with a SYSTEMAX II intake. 70MM TB, 24lb injectors and matching MAF. Get a custom cam, and raise your compression to about 11:1. You probably have all the exhaust already. Go with a 4.10 gear, Slicks, 90/10s up front, 50/50s in the back, and drag springs. Remove any uncessary weight and accessories, A/C, PS, etc. W/ some tuneing that should get you there. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.