Anybody ever use solid roller lifters in stock block?

mikew88gt · 03-03-2003, 04:16 PM

I was considering options for my next engine and can't remember ever seeing solid rollers installed in a stock 5.0 block. What I want is more RPM potential than the stock hydraulics are capable of. From what I've researched the stock lifters are no good after 6100 rpm and the cam I'm looking at is rated to 6500 rpm. I guess my question should be what are my lifter options for 6500+? Does anyone make a hydraulic lifter light and strong enough for that kind of abuse? It looks to me like Crane and Comp Cams hydraulic rollers are OE replacements and they don't claim any advantage over stockers in their online catalogs. Does anyone have some experience they would like to share?

MiracleMax · 03-04-2003, 06:28 PM

Comp Cams makes a higher reving hydraulic roller lifter, its in thier magnum line. The lifters actually use a lash setting. Combining this lifter with a titanium retainer would give it a good boost.

if only AFR would produce the HYDRA-REV kit for SB Fords!! (then again I don't think there is enought space between the lifter and the head, but I could be wrong?)

If you are gonna stick with hydraulics, then get a cam kit with the whole nine, from cam to springs, including push rods, retainers, and keepers. If the kit is engineered right, harmonics will be addressed, which are just as detrimental as the weight. that also means, scrap the gear drive if you are toying with the idea or have one installed.

WADS56 · 03-04-2003, 07:13 PM

I have a solid roller in my stock block. It works and performs great, but it is loud.

ultraflo · 03-04-2003, 09:41 PM

Sherman Racing Products ...check these guys out.

You can spin your stock hyd roller lifters well past 7000rpm with titanium retainers, valves, and locks... just look at what the NMRA and FFW Renegade guys are doing (do more research, lol) with stock lifters coupled with the Ti and other lightweight components. LaRocca spins 'em to 8800rpm, for example.

I have spun my stockers to 7000rpm with Manley race-flow valves (steel) and Ti locks and retainers without missing a beat. I ran the modified SRP lifters all last year (so I wouldn't have to wonder if the internals of the lifters were going to spew all over the lifter valley), shifting @ 7k, and crossing the 1320' @ 7200rpm. I am putting together a Renegade legal combo, however, and will have to put the stockers back in...

Anderson Ford also sells Hi-rev hyd. roller cams that utilize stock lifters, FYI.

One thing that is nice about the hyd. roller lifters, is that you don't have to set them as frequently as you would a solid roller setup

Jeff Chambers · 03-05-2003, 07:18 AM

I'm revving stock Ford lifters to 7500+ without incident. Many of the guys in Street Warrior and Pure Street are regularly going this high and higher. I've even seen 8000+ with the stock hydraulic roller lifter. Hell, my motor never sees less than 6100 the entire pass down track!

mikew88gt · 03-05-2003, 04:55 PM

This is awesome information guys.

I did talk to Comp Cams and the lifter they used to sell under p/n 877-16 is no longer available. No explanation.

No big deal if my stockers will handle it like a few of you mentioned. Thanks again for answering my questions.

DirtKing · 03-06-2003, 05:26 PM

How do these cams fare on the street?? i've heard they don't live too long.

03-03-2003, 04:16 PM	#1
mikew88gt Registered Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: New York State Posts: 242	Anybody ever use solid roller lifters in stock block? I was considering options for my next engine and can't remember ever seeing solid rollers installed in a stock 5.0 block. What I want is more RPM potential than the stock hydraulics are capable of. From what I've researched the stock lifters are no good after 6100 rpm and the cam I'm looking at is rated to 6500 rpm. I guess my question should be what are my lifter options for 6500+? Does anyone make a hydraulic lifter light and strong enough for that kind of abuse? It looks to me like Crane and Comp Cams hydraulic rollers are OE replacements and they don't claim any advantage over stockers in their online catalogs. Does anyone have some experience they would like to share? __________________ Your basic carbed 302 with Edelbrock Performer heads, Performer RPM intake and 650 Speed Demon. My 1988 Mustang GT

03-04-2003, 06:28 PM	#2
MiracleMax Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Hayes, Va, USA Posts: 798	Comp Cams makes a higher reving hydraulic roller lifter, its in thier magnum line. The lifters actually use a lash setting. Combining this lifter with a titanium retainer would give it a good boost. if only AFR would produce the HYDRA-REV kit for SB Fords!! (then again I don't think there is enought space between the lifter and the head, but I could be wrong?) If you are gonna stick with hydraulics, then get a cam kit with the whole nine, from cam to springs, including push rods, retainers, and keepers. If the kit is engineered right, harmonics will be addressed, which are just as detrimental as the weight. that also means, scrap the gear drive if you are toying with the idea or have one installed. __________________ 2002 5M GT (99% stock) 1991 5M LX (30% stock) patiently awaiting my satin silver 07 Mach 1, and don't forget the shaker

03-04-2003, 07:13 PM	#3
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	I have a solid roller in my stock block. It works and performs great, but it is loud. __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

03-04-2003, 09:41 PM	#4
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	Sherman Racing Products ...check these guys out. You can spin your stock hyd roller lifters well past 7000rpm with titanium retainers, valves, and locks... just look at what the NMRA and FFW Renegade guys are doing (do more research, lol) with stock lifters coupled with the Ti and other lightweight components. LaRocca spins 'em to 8800rpm, for example. I have spun my stockers to 7000rpm with Manley race-flow valves (steel) and Ti locks and retainers without missing a beat. I ran the modified SRP lifters all last year (so I wouldn't have to wonder if the internals of the lifters were going to spew all over the lifter valley), shifting @ 7k, and crossing the 1320' @ 7200rpm. I am putting together a Renegade legal combo, however, and will have to put the stockers back in... Anderson Ford also sells Hi-rev hyd. roller cams that utilize stock lifters, FYI. One thing that is nice about the hyd. roller lifters, is that you don't have to set them as frequently as you would a solid roller setup __________________ RLS Racing! 93 LX 9.20 @ 147mph 03 Mach 1 12.39 @ 116mph

03-05-2003, 07:18 AM	#5
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	I'm revving stock Ford lifters to 7500+ without incident. Many of the guys in Street Warrior and Pure Street are regularly going this high and higher. I've even seen 8000+ with the stock hydraulic roller lifter. Hell, my motor never sees less than 6100 the entire pass down track! __________________ Jeff Chambers 1990 Mustang GT 10.032 Seconds / 137.5 MPH 14-time Street Warrior World Record Setter CRT Performance 2001 Tropic Green Mustang GT - 12.181 / 113.2 MPH 2002 Ford F-250 Crew Cab 7.3l Power Stroke - 17.41@77.2 "There's nothing boring about a small block automatic shifting gears at 9400 rpm!"

03-05-2003, 04:55 PM	#6
mikew88gt Registered Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: New York State Posts: 242	This is awesome information guys. I did talk to Comp Cams and the lifter they used to sell under p/n 877-16 is no longer available. No explanation. No big deal if my stockers will handle it like a few of you mentioned. Thanks again for answering my questions. __________________ Your basic carbed 302 with Edelbrock Performer heads, Performer RPM intake and 650 Speed Demon. My 1988 Mustang GT

03-06-2003, 05:26 PM	#7
DirtKing Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: brooklyn center,mn,USA Posts: 169	mechanical roller cams How do these cams fare on the street?? i've heard they don't live too long. __________________ 88LX notch, Speedpro EFI 358windsor 11.2 to 1 compression, 5 lug baer claws all around..g force t5 and 3.55 gears. rwhp soon to come. Oh yeah...92 octane NO detonation.

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