T-5z slipping out of 2nd. Bent shifter fork?

stng87 · 03-05-2003, 11:01 PM

I hadnt had this tranny too long before it started slipping out of 2nd. Of course the first thing that I think is that the synchros are going out, but I dont think its that because i never ground the gears and it happened too fast to be from wear. Also the 5th gear grinds going in.
Do the 2nd and 5th gears operate on the same shaft or are they somehow operated by the same fork, or perhaps somehow one affects the other. I may be wrong but this seems more to me like a bent shifter fork. Positive stops are set right too.

88workcar · 03-05-2003, 11:27 PM

If you did not buy it new, you got ripped. If you have low miles on it and it was not new, someone put a sycroniser in there, grinded and buffed a few spots and sold you a lemon.

It's not the fork, you need a gear, a sycroniser, and a blocking ring. I can fix it but the shipping would kill you.

MEDIK418 · 03-06-2003, 01:39 AM

You can fix it yourself if you are any kind of handy with a wrench. Hanlon and a couple of others sell rebuild kits and videos that can teach a monkey to rebuild a T5. I'm living proof. I'm on my second rebuild this month (two trannys, not the same one twice)and both did the same thing you describe to one degree or another. What I noticed commmon to both was just plain ole worn bearings. True, there were other problems but I think the popping out of gear was because of worn bearings letting everything move around so much that a lot of the travel the shift forks were supposed to make was going into moving the rotating assemblies back and forth as well as laterally.
FYI. . .you cannot bend a shift fork, they break. Also, if it's popping out of fifth, you're probably going to have big problems in the near future. Fifth gear is the weakest looking of all the gears in there and while it doesn't actually tie into reverse, both are actuated by the same levers. . has nothig to do with second gear. first and second use the same synchro as do third and fourth. Buy the video and see if it's something you want to tackle. It's 16 or 17 bucks and well worth it

Miss Mischief · 03-06-2003, 08:35 AM

I have a 3.8 L V-6 Now Verse the 351W in Getty Up The 3.8 L uses the same T-Crap I have a Guru at Town&Country Ford that does nothing But SVT for $50 He made me a Jig that will true a stock 5 speeds make yourThrow Much shorter and also Less tendensy to do the 5th Gear twist like so many of us Have. My Real sugjestion Is to Get yourself a SD 5 speed although aftermaket parts dont exsist for this Truck version and the throw is Longer The adavatage is You wont beat yourself half to death trying to Deal with the T-5 Yes the SD does requier new Gearing But I bealive its well worth the effort not to have to put up with a T-5's crap. If you really are in Love and have some Money then a Borg&warner convertion Is nice I have also seen Some 4 speed manual converstions on Drag cars

sn95gt19 · 03-06-2003, 09:03 AM

did you check the stops on your hurst, if the bolt came loose and is not letting you go all the way into second gear it will do that.

my very first mustang i bought "had a blown up trans" but all it ended up being was the stops on the short throw. i never did tell the guy that the trans was perfect, he probably wouldve felt like a dumbass. oh well, i got a deal on it.

RoadWarrior · 03-06-2003, 07:26 PM

Personally if you were to do anything id say to do one of 2 things. If your a hardcore drag racer switch to a c4. If you love the stick then spend the money and phone up tremec and order one of their tranny's. Going to a truck tranny wouldnt be my choice. Get a TKO 2 3550 and youll love it and youll probably never break it.

MEDIK418 · 03-07-2003, 12:15 AM

Better yet, get yourself a Richmond 6 speed, they're only about $4000 with everything. Actually, a Lenco 5 speed would go even faster, not sure on the price though. I'm guessing around 5 grand. They do make a street version but it still doesn't downshift.

stng87 · 03-07-2003, 06:43 AM

thanks for all the input guys, Ill likley just buy a tremec 3550, but what a tough break, I just bought this one. Or else I may just fix this one. not sure

Miss Mischief · 03-07-2003, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RoadWarrior
Personally if you were to do anything id say to do one of 2 things. If your a hardcore drag racer switch to a c4. If you love the stick then spend the money and phone up tremec and order one of their tranny's. Going to a truck tranny wouldnt be my choice. Get a TKO 2 3550 and youll love it and youll probably never break it.

The C4 Transmision is an Automatic and shift kits can be purchased to adjust this Transmision to whatever you want street and strip strip or street.

I am Very very Heavy Into Drag Racing Getty Up Go! Only Goes In One direction Straight trying to turn her is like steering a Bull when she is at WOT. We Installed the HD Manuel 5 Speed Manual from a F250SD Pickup this is also where i got my 5.8L or 351 block. first and second Gear Must be Replaced espetially if you are turning close to 440 Hp at 6,500 RPM I would sit there all day and smoke the rear Tires Off the car if the gearing wasnt changed. However since it was changed and is a manuel its fully street able.

84gt347 · 03-07-2003, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MEDIK418
Hanlon and a couple of others sell rebuild kits and videos

Got a phone # or a contact on that video?

MEDIK418 · 03-08-2003, 10:56 PM

Hanlon Motorsports: 610-429-2695
Don't let the female voice on the other end fool you. Linda knows more about t-5's than anyone I know.

03-05-2003, 11:01 PM	#1
stng87 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: southern california Posts: 329	T-5z slipping out of 2nd. Bent shifter fork? I hadnt had this tranny too long before it started slipping out of 2nd. Of course the first thing that I think is that the synchros are going out, but I dont think its that because i never ground the gears and it happened too fast to be from wear. Also the 5th gear grinds going in. Do the 2nd and 5th gears operate on the same shaft or are they somehow operated by the same fork, or perhaps somehow one affects the other. I may be wrong but this seems more to me like a bent shifter fork. Positive stops are set right too. __________________ 1987 black with t-tops. Cobra intake, 1.7 cobra crane rollers, gt40p's, bbk shorties, off road h-pipe, Holley adj. fuel pressure regulator, Tremec t-5z, 65mm TB, 4.10's, adj cable, 155lph fuel pump, Ram clutch kit, 3 row motorsport radiator, Chrome cobras17x9 front, 17x10.5 rear, Hurst shifter,Former AOD Semper Fi

03-05-2003, 11:27 PM	#2
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	If you did not buy it new, you got ripped. If you have low miles on it and it was not new, someone put a sycroniser in there, grinded and buffed a few spots and sold you a lemon. It's not the fork, you need a gear, a sycroniser, and a blocking ring. I can fix it but the shipping would kill you. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

03-06-2003, 01:39 AM	#3
MEDIK418 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Amarillo, Texas, USA Posts: 780	You can fix it yourself if you are any kind of handy with a wrench. Hanlon and a couple of others sell rebuild kits and videos that can teach a monkey to rebuild a T5. I'm living proof. I'm on my second rebuild this month (two trannys, not the same one twice)and both did the same thing you describe to one degree or another. What I noticed commmon to both was just plain ole worn bearings. True, there were other problems but I think the popping out of gear was because of worn bearings letting everything move around so much that a lot of the travel the shift forks were supposed to make was going into moving the rotating assemblies back and forth as well as laterally. FYI. . .you cannot bend a shift fork, they break. Also, if it's popping out of fifth, you're probably going to have big problems in the near future. Fifth gear is the weakest looking of all the gears in there and while it doesn't actually tie into reverse, both are actuated by the same levers. . has nothig to do with second gear. first and second use the same synchro as do third and fourth. Buy the video and see if it's something you want to tackle. It's 16 or 17 bucks and well worth it __________________ 1986 four-eyed LX coupe, 358 Cleveland, Tremec TKO600/centerforce clutch, dish cut Probe forged pistons, comp cams hyd.roller cam, .579/.588@224/230, Edel.performer, 670 holley street avenger, CPR custom built long tubes, ported and polished 4bbl heads, manley valves, beehive springs, MSD peo-billet dist/MSD6AL, fluidamper, 5 lug conv. with 17x8 bullits there's more but it's still not finished yet. Oh, and the oldest boy is turning his 89 GT into a FFR cobra this next summer.

03-06-2003, 08:35 AM	#4
Miss Mischief Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Still Ugly as ever Posts: 111	Welcome to the wonder ful world Of the T-5 I have a 3.8 L V-6 Now Verse the 351W in Getty Up The 3.8 L uses the same T-Crap I have a Guru at Town&Country Ford that does nothing But SVT for $50 He made me a Jig that will true a stock 5 speeds make yourThrow Much shorter and also Less tendensy to do the 5th Gear twist like so many of us Have. My Real sugjestion Is to Get yourself a SD 5 speed although aftermaket parts dont exsist for this Truck version and the throw is Longer The adavatage is You wont beat yourself half to death trying to Deal with the T-5 Yes the SD does requier new Gearing But I bealive its well worth the effort not to have to put up with a T-5's crap. If you really are in Love and have some Money then a Borg&warner convertion Is nice I have also seen Some 4 speed manual converstions on Drag cars __________________ Miss Mischief RHC#153 Proud to carry the Card 2000 V-6 5 speed Frame Braces [Steeda] [Wanna be Cobra] 17" Rims with Kuhmo 245's 5 Spoke Gunmetal finish [Power Dyne] Blower Unpolished 6 psi {Mods to Come} [Steeda] Springs slightly lower then stock [Steeda] Anti sway bars front and rear. 1999 Jeep Cherokee Big six 5 speed Infinty Bose steroe Lots of Creatures Comforts [Mods] Brush/ Push bar Full length Welded and Bolted , Tow Hook Front and Rear 30" Goodyear AT's .

03-06-2003, 09:03 AM	#5
sn95gt19 motors done......woohooo Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 799	did you check the stops on your hurst, if the bolt came loose and is not letting you go all the way into second gear it will do that. my very first mustang i bought "had a blown up trans" but all it ended up being was the stops on the short throw. i never did tell the guy that the trans was perfect, he probably wouldve felt like a dumbass. oh well, i got a deal on it. __________________ 95gt lazer red (98 cobra clone) Rice Haters Club Member #116

03-06-2003, 07:26 PM	#6
RoadWarrior Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Edmonton,Alberta,Canada Posts: 317	Personally if you were to do anything id say to do one of 2 things. If your a hardcore drag racer switch to a c4. If you love the stick then spend the money and phone up tremec and order one of their tranny's. Going to a truck tranny wouldnt be my choice. Get a TKO 2 3550 and youll love it and youll probably never break it. __________________ Fast Company

03-07-2003, 12:15 AM	#7
MEDIK418 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Amarillo, Texas, USA Posts: 780	Better yet, get yourself a Richmond 6 speed, they're only about $4000 with everything. Actually, a Lenco 5 speed would go even faster, not sure on the price though. I'm guessing around 5 grand. They do make a street version but it still doesn't downshift. __________________ 1986 four-eyed LX coupe, 358 Cleveland, Tremec TKO600/centerforce clutch, dish cut Probe forged pistons, comp cams hyd.roller cam, .579/.588@224/230, Edel.performer, 670 holley street avenger, CPR custom built long tubes, ported and polished 4bbl heads, manley valves, beehive springs, MSD peo-billet dist/MSD6AL, fluidamper, 5 lug conv. with 17x8 bullits there's more but it's still not finished yet. Oh, and the oldest boy is turning his 89 GT into a FFR cobra this next summer.

03-08-2003, 10:56 PM	#11
MEDIK418 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Amarillo, Texas, USA Posts: 780	Hanlon Motorsports: 610-429-2695 Don't let the female voice on the other end fool you. Linda knows more about t-5's than anyone I know. __________________ 1986 four-eyed LX coupe, 358 Cleveland, Tremec TKO600/centerforce clutch, dish cut Probe forged pistons, comp cams hyd.roller cam, .579/.588@224/230, Edel.performer, 670 holley street avenger, CPR custom built long tubes, ported and polished 4bbl heads, manley valves, beehive springs, MSD peo-billet dist/MSD6AL, fluidamper, 5 lug conv. with 17x8 bullits there's more but it's still not finished yet. Oh, and the oldest boy is turning his 89 GT into a FFR cobra this next summer.

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