Thinking of a 460 swap, need some advice

ponypower · 10-20-2003, 04:50 PM

Been away for a bit and the car is sitting empty in the garage. No engine or trans. The paint is next. I have been looking for some big block donors around town. I was thinking of getting a LTD or Lincoln for the 460/C-6 to plant in the pony. I want to go carb with a mild street set-up, maybe edelbrock heads intake and cam. Just wondering if any of you guys or gals have any experience with this swap, and what things I haven't thought of.
Thanks for the help
It's good to be back

oil pan for fox body
460 headers
water pump for serpantine
pick-up for fuel tank (carb)

LX5liter · 10-20-2003, 05:17 PM

Was it an eight cylinder car before? If not then a bigger rear end, (8.8 or 9 inch), front springs, and brakes to start, then a different drive shaft, motor mounts, shifter, hood may not fit anymore, possibly the brake booster, (although the 86 & up boosters I think will fit, I just went to a manual setup). Thats just a start, I'm sure you will get lots of replies of thing I have forgotten about. Is it worth it? To a point it is, you can't beat the torque of a big block, but it can be a lot of work.

Stang_Crazy · 10-20-2003, 07:24 PM

What about a stroked 351 instead of a 460?

rwhite65 · 10-21-2003, 02:57 AM

460!!!!!

ponypower · 10-21-2003, 05:37 PM

The car is a 5.0L, it had a mild 306 w/ EFI. I have been thinking of stepping up to more cubic inches. I have a 351W (block & crank), but after doing the numbers I think I can get more power for a lot less money out of a 460. I was thinking mild 460 very steetable would out torque a stroked 351 and cost considerably less.
Thanks for the help

Coupe Devil · 10-21-2003, 10:20 PM

Big block...Im going through a bb swap into my 86. if you have any more ?'s feel free to p.m. me

Brad

billheis · 10-21-2003, 10:29 PM

Go to http://www.mmjax.com and go to the message boards and ask for Tony G. He has one thats almost in the 8s. Hes the owner of HP Automotive and get you all the parts you need at a good price. Give him a shout and tell him Bill sent you. As a side note ask him what color the car is

SmokinStangGT · 10-22-2003, 01:24 AM

Sounds like it will be a beast! Only downfall is trying to make it fit I.E the brake booster wont work and many other things.

Coupe Devil · 10-23-2003, 10:44 PM

The brake booster will work you just cant run the TALL valve covers. But an aftermarket stock type aluminum cover will still allow you to run roller tip rockers..

Bradley

RoadWarrior · 10-24-2003, 12:41 AM

Im doing the swap as we speak as well. I pretty much got all the swap stuff from hooker. The oil pan out of the newer trucks should work. Im hoping that i can try fitting the motor in there soon i just need to find a tranny first.

the69dr · 10-26-2003, 02:42 AM

This is a pic of 429 in a 1989 notchback. Car has never run without overheating yet. A problem I've talked to others about, people think it's because the intake sits so much higher than the radiator causing air to settle there. So we've had to swap in a 2" drop k-member. The car already had vents cut through the nose and bumber an aluminum radiator and electric fans. You can hardly put spark plug wires on and it requires a hole to be cut through your trans tunnel if you want to get to the starter bolts, that's with a c6 not sure how bad it would be with a c4. Also headers are a treat because the steering shaft runs throught the middle of them so I would get a flaming river shaft to help out a little. Just go with a stroker and save the hassle.

the69dr · 10-26-2003, 02:48 AM

Here's the pic.

dcstang67 · 10-28-2003, 04:31 PM

I think you could spend less on a 5.0 and make it just as fast, if not faster than that heavy old 460.
And no modifying to make it fit.

rwhite65 · 10-28-2003, 04:36 PM

not sure I agree on spending less on the 5.0 and make it faster. Probably total project would be less money...due to custom headers and things like that, but I think the 460 would be more durable.

Just depends on what u r looking for, the "oh wow" of a big block wedged in there, or the stealth of a highly modified 5.0.
Ryan

dcstang67 · 10-28-2003, 04:44 PM

Im just not a fan of stuffing 5 pounds of **** into a one pound bag
you gotta have room to work on it sometimes.
Its not fun to have to pull an engine to change spark plugs.
Had to do it on a 69 mach 1 with a 428cj.

rwhite65 · 10-28-2003, 06:28 PM

if i had to pull the engine to change wires...then I would not do it either....but if you could get it to work....even if it were a tight fit....I think it would be unique.
Ryan

ponypower · 10-28-2003, 08:26 PM

Thanks for all the opinions. I have been down the 5.0 road and spent some money, when I was in high school me and my brother always swapped out for big blocks with low budget set-ups and would skunk all the guys with small blocks. Just wanted some opinion to see if it might work for the mustang. Anyway I found a donor for a 351W and if it works out maybe she'll be mine. It will probable be an easier swap. I'll just spray the crap out of it....hehehe

Thanks again

Coupe Devil · 10-28-2003, 11:43 PM

Cool you found a donar but if that falls through I still vote big block...

Just look at it this way.. Would your wife want a big block ( big bore short stroke.. make TORQUE ) or a meesly high windin over to fast small block????

10-20-2003, 04:50 PM	#1
ponypower Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 206	Thinking of a 460 swap, need some advice Been away for a bit and the car is sitting empty in the garage. No engine or trans. The paint is next. I have been looking for some big block donors around town. I was thinking of getting a LTD or Lincoln for the 460/C-6 to plant in the pony. I want to go carb with a mild street set-up, maybe edelbrock heads intake and cam. Just wondering if any of you guys or gals have any experience with this swap, and what things I haven't thought of. Thanks for the help It's good to be back oil pan for fox body 460 headers water pump for serpantine pick-up for fuel tank (carb) __________________ 90 LX Hatchback BBF 460 w/ C6

10-20-2003, 05:17 PM	#2
LX5liter dude5l Join Date: May 2001 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada Posts: 603	Was it an eight cylinder car before? If not then a bigger rear end, (8.8 or 9 inch), front springs, and brakes to start, then a different drive shaft, motor mounts, shifter, hood may not fit anymore, possibly the brake booster, (although the 86 & up boosters I think will fit, I just went to a manual setup). Thats just a start, I'm sure you will get lots of replies of thing I have forgotten about. Is it worth it? To a point it is, you can't beat the torque of a big block, but it can be a lot of work. __________________ Good luck! Brad R. 1992 L.X. 5.0 coupe MODS: A few little bolt ons New Best time ...11.60 @ 128 mph @ 2000+ ft altitude. Rice Haters Club member #39 Users rides #2542

10-20-2003, 07:24 PM	#3
Stang_Crazy It's never clean enough! Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Shaler, PA Posts: 1,542	What about a stroked 351 instead of a 460? __________________ ~Dan 2001 SVT Lightning 89' GT : Taking up garage space and waiting for a buyer... Rice Hater's Club - Member #11

10-21-2003, 02:57 AM	#4
rwhite65 Ride Hard Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wyoming IL Posts: 1,094	460!!!!! __________________ 65 Fastback 91 roller 306, H/C/I AOD-Bauman, PI Stallion, 4.10's and traction loc 04 Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition 79 Ford F-250 4x4 - Restored

10-21-2003, 05:37 PM	#5
ponypower Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 206	The car is a 5.0L, it had a mild 306 w/ EFI. I have been thinking of stepping up to more cubic inches. I have a 351W (block & crank), but after doing the numbers I think I can get more power for a lot less money out of a 460. I was thinking mild 460 very steetable would out torque a stroked 351 and cost considerably less. Thanks for the help __________________ 90 LX Hatchback BBF 460 w/ C6

10-21-2003, 10:20 PM	#6
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	Big block...Im going through a bb swap into my 86. if you have any more ?'s feel free to p.m. me Brad __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

10-21-2003, 10:29 PM	#7
billheis Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Fernandina Beach, FL 32034 Posts: 178	Go to http://www.mmjax.com and go to the message boards and ask for Tony G. He has one thats almost in the 8s. Hes the owner of HP Automotive and get you all the parts you need at a good price. Give him a shout and tell him Bill sent you. As a side note ask him what color the car is __________________ Bill Heiser 90 Convertable 5.0 LX, ported E7s w/ THumper valve job, TFS street, FR 65mm TB, B cam w/1.7 cobra rockers, kirban AFPR, Mac CAI, Mac Headers, off road h, 3 chamber flows, Crane ign. box, 3:73s, Art Carr AOD & 2600 converter

10-22-2003, 01:24 AM	#8
SmokinStangGT Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: IL Posts: 105	Sounds like it will be a beast! Only downfall is trying to make it fit I.E the brake booster wont work and many other things. __________________ 89' GT with 5spd Hurst short throw, Keith Black 12:1 comp. pistons, Sealed Power drag racing rings, Fms F303 Cam, Ported and polished upper and lower intake with Ported E7TE heads that contain comp. cam double coiled springs with titainum locks and steel retainers, Fel-Pro Head Gaskets, 9mm ford racing wires, BBK chrome unequal shortys, Power Throttle bodies 70mm, Edlebrock 70mm EGR plate, 15inch K&N, Bassani X-pipe, Flowmaster 40 series, Eibach 1 1/2 lowering springs, Cobra R rims 17X9 with p235 on front and p275 on rear with Falken Zeix tires-RUNNING!

10-23-2003, 10:44 PM	#9
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	The brake booster will work you just cant run the TALL valve covers. But an aftermarket stock type aluminum cover will still allow you to run roller tip rockers.. Bradley __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

10-24-2003, 12:41 AM	#10
RoadWarrior Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Edmonton,Alberta,Canada Posts: 317	Im doing the swap as we speak as well. I pretty much got all the swap stuff from hooker. The oil pan out of the newer trucks should work. Im hoping that i can try fitting the motor in there soon i just need to find a tranny first. __________________ Fast Company

10-26-2003, 02:42 AM	#11
the69dr Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Marine Corps Base Hawaii, HI, usa Posts: 208	Not worth it! This is a pic of 429 in a 1989 notchback. Car has never run without overheating yet. A problem I've talked to others about, people think it's because the intake sits so much higher than the radiator causing air to settle there. So we've had to swap in a 2" drop k-member. The car already had vents cut through the nose and bumber an aluminum radiator and electric fans. You can hardly put spark plug wires on and it requires a hole to be cut through your trans tunnel if you want to get to the starter bolts, that's with a c6 not sure how bad it would be with a c4. Also headers are a treat because the steering shaft runs throught the middle of them so I would get a flaming river shaft to help out a little. Just go with a stroker and save the hassle.

10-28-2003, 04:31 PM	#13
dcstang67 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Uxbridge, MA Posts: 8	I think you could spend less on a 5.0 and make it just as fast, if not faster than that heavy old 460. And no modifying to make it fit.

10-28-2003, 04:36 PM	#14
rwhite65 Ride Hard Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wyoming IL Posts: 1,094	not sure I agree on spending less on the 5.0 and make it faster. Probably total project would be less money...due to custom headers and things like that, but I think the 460 would be more durable. Just depends on what u r looking for, the "oh wow" of a big block wedged in there, or the stealth of a highly modified 5.0. Ryan __________________ 65 Fastback 91 roller 306, H/C/I AOD-Bauman, PI Stallion, 4.10's and traction loc 04 Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition 79 Ford F-250 4x4 - Restored

10-28-2003, 04:44 PM	#15
dcstang67 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Uxbridge, MA Posts: 8	Im just not a fan of stuffing 5 pounds of **** into a one pound bag you gotta have room to work on it sometimes. Its not fun to have to pull an engine to change spark plugs. Had to do it on a 69 mach 1 with a 428cj.

10-28-2003, 06:28 PM	#16
rwhite65 Ride Hard Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wyoming IL Posts: 1,094	if i had to pull the engine to change wires...then I would not do it either....but if you could get it to work....even if it were a tight fit....I think it would be unique. Ryan __________________ 65 Fastback 91 roller 306, H/C/I AOD-Bauman, PI Stallion, 4.10's and traction loc 04 Grand Cherokee Freedom Edition 79 Ford F-250 4x4 - Restored

10-28-2003, 08:26 PM	#17
ponypower Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 206	Thanks for all the opinions. I have been down the 5.0 road and spent some money, when I was in high school me and my brother always swapped out for big blocks with low budget set-ups and would skunk all the guys with small blocks. Just wanted some opinion to see if it might work for the mustang. Anyway I found a donor for a 351W and if it works out maybe she'll be mine. It will probable be an easier swap. I'll just spray the crap out of it....hehehe Thanks again

10-28-2003, 11:43 PM	#18
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	Cool you found a donar but if that falls through I still vote big block... Just look at it this way.. Would your wife want a big block ( big bore short stroke.. make TORQUE ) or a meesly high windin over to fast small block???? __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

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