Supercharger in a stock '95? - Page 2

03-02-2001, 01:57 AM

I understood what you meant the first time you said it

. We all understand that 24s can flow more. Its all a play on words and not worth a debate.

I can't believe its not butter, it taste like butter only half the calories...

[This message has been edited by rbatson (edited 03-02-2001).]

fastang · 03-02-2001, 02:16 AM

He is simply stating that by stopping the fuel return line you force more fuel through the 19 pounders which will flow the same or more as 24 pounders at X amount of fuel pressure. Of course if you max them both out the 24s will flow more...its just not always needed. But 19 ponders with the fuel return stopped will KILL you fuel economy which will cost you more in the long run.

ANDREW, if you want to make 300hp and hit a 13 look at my combo. Its cheaper than a blower and it still looks stock. Personaly I love blowers and would love to have one, but if you only want around 300 fly hp, just look at my sig.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

Killercanary · 03-02-2001, 10:49 AM

How fast do you want to go? I can tell you how to pick up 8.5mph, and drop 1.4 tenths for hundreds less than a blower. Look at my mods:
edelbrock intake
65mm T-body
shorty headers
X pipe
stock flow tubes
2 chamber flowmasters
stock tail pipes
adjustable FPR
pulleys
K&N
advanced timing
HD clutch
3.73 gears
alum DS
and Nitto drag radials
Stock-heads, MAF, injectors, and fuel pump

I went from 15.2 at 90mph to 13.8's at 98.3-98.5mph. I know my cosuin's 100% stock 94GT coupe ran 14.8 at 93mph stock. Add to that what I gained and you're looking at 13.4 at 101.5mph.
Again this hypothetical, but I can attest to the fact that I've seen many 94-95 GT's with heads, intake, cam etc that only run 101-102mph in the 1/4. I've even seen two SC 94-95's at my track that struggle to run 101mph. Its all up to you though. On a side note, my cousin mentioned above with just gears, pulleys, and mufflers ran 14.2's at 97mph on street tires. He has just added a Kenne Bell blowzilla rated at 6lbs, and the car has no traction until 3rd, and even then it spins sometimes. With traction I firmly believe he is in the 12 second zone.

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95 GT convt' 5 speed, 3.73's,FMS HD clutch, Pro 5.0 shifter, ASP alum. underdrive pulleys, Bassani offroad X pipe, 2 chmbr flowmasters, K&N w/o silencer, edelbrock performer intake, FRPP 65mm T-body, FRPP shorty headers, FRPP aluminum driveshaft.Hooker 4pt chrome car bar, Xenon/Wings West ground effects, custom interior
Best ET: 13.83
Best MPH: 98.55mph with Best 60': 1.91 on Nitto DR's
Homepage: <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary" TARGET=_blank>http://www.angelfire

AJSTANG · 03-02-2001, 01:57 PM

I think you could go a lot faster for less money. Your car in stock form would run low to mid 15's.

The blower plus labor would be 3500-4000 dollars. You could get ram air, pullies and gears for 500 dollars and be just as fast.

I raced a 95 GT that had (8lb of Vortech boost) which equates to about 80 hp. His time was 14.45 to my 14.2 (just gears and exhaust). He and his friends were surprised because they thought he should win just because he had a blower.

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'93 GT Conv.
13.35 @ 104.8 mph

AtaxicStanger · 03-02-2001, 03:37 PM

Pulley's, exhaust, gears, GO AS FAST AS WITH 10lbs of boost.

No ******* way!

All you guys are discounting what it would cost to install all stuff (heads, exhaust, gears, etc) and then adding the install to the cost of the blower. Not a fair comparison.

Installing a blower is actually easier than heads and a cam swap.

I like the blower because the car can be put back to stock in a day.

Al

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95 GT, GT40 Aluminum Heads, Intake u/l, 9# Powerdyne SC, 65 mm FMS TB, 70 mm FMS MAS, 30 lb injectors, E303 cam, Hooker Super Comp equal shorty headers, H pipe, Flows, Nitto DR, MSD BTM, Adjustable FP reg, 255 fuel pump, Autometer gauge pod with Electric FP guage and Boost guage, a few other odds and ends

fastang · 03-02-2001, 04:05 PM

AJ most sn95 5.0's do not run 15's stock! Mine happend to hit a 14.6 at 96 mph without even powershifting. The auto verts might pull 15's but a hartop stick will keep up with a fox. A 95 gt with a blower running a 14.5 is f*cking rediculous. I know people who have ran a 14.5 stock. That is just down right insulting.
I am installing longtubes, controll arms, and a cat back tommorow and I going to the track on the 24th. I guarantee you I will be close to your time. I will post the results.

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

bad93gt · 03-02-2001, 06:27 PM

thanks rbatson and fastang for helping me get my point across.i was sure i knew what i was talking about.i am wondering how badly this will hurt my fuel economy by blockink off the return line with the fms.i can`t wait to try my car out with the charger installed it is still winter here.hopefully it won`t be to be since it is only under boost.but im sure ill have a hard time staying out of it.at least at first.

AJSTANG · 03-02-2001, 08:11 PM

Okay! Maybe I got a little carried away. But that is what he ran.

Most 95's don't run 14.6 either. Let's say on the avg...15.0 sec. 8 lb of boost on a totally stock set up is low 14's maybe high 13's with good weather and traction.

andrewgarland · 03-03-2001, 03:18 AM

Damn guys! I didn't mean to start a flame! anyway, it's gonna get a little more intense, because...
I'm racing my friends '67 camaro on the 24th. And he's DEFINITELY not stock. He's got a 383 stroker, cam, headers, 4:10 gears and a racing clutch. And I'm AOD!!!

Now, here's the dilemma. I HAVE to beat him! Were talking PRIDE here boys! It's your typical one best friend is a stanger, the other is a bow tie! I'm going to spend around 2K before the 24th (cause I got 2 checks coming in), and he's not gonna do anything by then.

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO??? I CAN'T LOSE!!!
Right now I'm leaning towards the following:
1. 11 or 13 degree timing
2. remove air silencer
3. 4:10 gears
4. shift kit
5. headers (maybe exhaust)
6. cold air intake

Now I know I can do the first two myself, so now labor, but how much for parts and installation on the rest? What brands? Is this the best way to go, considering the budget? It's crunch time boys...

fastang · 03-03-2001, 03:41 AM

Nevermind

[This message has been edited by fastang (edited 03-03-2001).]

HeadDoctor · 08-08-2006, 11:58 PM

Blowers on anything always make more pony's

Take a look at my other posts regrding blowers & Superchargers

ABC Do your research Read the instructions the biggest problem is the fuel system. However what goes in must come out so all the rest of the stuff is also necessary. The MFG may tell you that stuff is not required but they want to sell you a KIT - so they may evade the actual truth a bit.

If you have a MOD-MOTOR stay away from the Roots, & Screw type blowers, and find a centrifugal, Vortex, Procharger, Paxton-Novi, or other, one of those others has an internal belt-drive, we had trouble with the belt breaking.

Denny@JDS Induction Products HeadDoctor out

08-08-2006, 11:58 PM	#31
HeadDoctor Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hot-Lanta Posts: 48	Re: Supercharger in a stock '95? Blowers on anything always make more pony's Take a look at my other posts regrding blowers & Superchargers ABC Do your research Read the instructions the biggest problem is the fuel system. However what goes in must come out so all the rest of the stuff is also necessary. The MFG may tell you that stuff is not required but they want to sell you a KIT - so they may evade the actual truth a bit. If you have a MOD-MOTOR stay away from the Roots, & Screw type blowers, and find a centrifugal, Vortex, Procharger, Paxton-Novi, or other, one of those others has an internal belt-drive, we had trouble with the belt breaking. Denny@JDS Induction Products HeadDoctor out

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03-02-2001, 01:57 AM	#21
rbatson Guest Posts: n/a	I understood what you meant the first time you said it . We all understand that 24s can flow more. Its all a play on words and not worth a debate. I can't believe its not butter, it taste like butter only half the calories... [This message has been edited by rbatson (edited 03-02-2001).]

03-02-2001, 02:16 AM	#22
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	He is simply stating that by stopping the fuel return line you force more fuel through the 19 pounders which will flow the same or more as 24 pounders at X amount of fuel pressure. Of course if you max them both out the 24s will flow more...its just not always needed. But 19 ponders with the fuel return stopped will KILL you fuel economy which will cost you more in the long run. ANDREW, if you want to make 300hp and hit a 13 look at my combo. Its cheaper than a blower and it still looks stock. Personaly I love blowers and would love to have one, but if you only want around 300 fly hp, just look at my sig. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

03-02-2001, 10:49 AM	#23
Killercanary Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Altoona, PA Posts: 336	How fast do you want to go? I can tell you how to pick up 8.5mph, and drop 1.4 tenths for hundreds less than a blower. Look at my mods: edelbrock intake 65mm T-body shorty headers X pipe stock flow tubes 2 chamber flowmasters stock tail pipes adjustable FPR pulleys K&N advanced timing HD clutch 3.73 gears alum DS and Nitto drag radials Stock-heads, MAF, injectors, and fuel pump I went from 15.2 at 90mph to 13.8's at 98.3-98.5mph. I know my cosuin's 100% stock 94GT coupe ran 14.8 at 93mph stock. Add to that what I gained and you're looking at 13.4 at 101.5mph. Again this hypothetical, but I can attest to the fact that I've seen many 94-95 GT's with heads, intake, cam etc that only run 101-102mph in the 1/4. I've even seen two SC 94-95's at my track that struggle to run 101mph. Its all up to you though. On a side note, my cousin mentioned above with just gears, pulleys, and mufflers ran 14.2's at 97mph on street tires. He has just added a Kenne Bell blowzilla rated at 6lbs, and the car has no traction until 3rd, and even then it spins sometimes. With traction I firmly believe he is in the 12 second zone. ------------------ 95 GT convt' 5 speed, 3.73's,FMS HD clutch, Pro 5.0 shifter, ASP alum. underdrive pulleys, Bassani offroad X pipe, 2 chmbr flowmasters, K&N w/o silencer, edelbrock performer intake, FRPP 65mm T-body, FRPP shorty headers, FRPP aluminum driveshaft.Hooker 4pt chrome car bar, Xenon/Wings West ground effects, custom interior Best ET: 13.83 Best MPH: 98.55mph with Best 60': 1.91 on Nitto DR's Homepage: <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary" TARGET=_blank>http://www.angelfire

03-02-2001, 01:57 PM	#24
AJSTANG Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maryland Posts: 123	I think you could go a lot faster for less money. Your car in stock form would run low to mid 15's. The blower plus labor would be 3500-4000 dollars. You could get ram air, pullies and gears for 500 dollars and be just as fast. I raced a 95 GT that had (8lb of Vortech boost) which equates to about 80 hp. His time was 14.45 to my 14.2 (just gears and exhaust). He and his friends were surprised because they thought he should win just because he had a blower. ------------------ '93 GT Conv. 13.35 @ 104.8 mph

03-02-2001, 03:37 PM	#25
AtaxicStanger Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Waukesha, WI Posts: 59	Pulley's, exhaust, gears, GO AS FAST AS WITH 10lbs of boost. No ******* way! All you guys are discounting what it would cost to install all stuff (heads, exhaust, gears, etc) and then adding the install to the cost of the blower. Not a fair comparison. Installing a blower is actually easier than heads and a cam swap. I like the blower because the car can be put back to stock in a day. Al ------------------ 95 GT, GT40 Aluminum Heads, Intake u/l, 9# Powerdyne SC, 65 mm FMS TB, 70 mm FMS MAS, 30 lb injectors, E303 cam, Hooker Super Comp equal shorty headers, H pipe, Flows, Nitto DR, MSD BTM, Adjustable FP reg, 255 fuel pump, Autometer gauge pod with Electric FP guage and Boost guage, a few other odds and ends

03-02-2001, 04:05 PM	#26
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	AJ most sn95 5.0's do not run 15's stock! Mine happend to hit a 14.6 at 96 mph without even powershifting. The auto verts might pull 15's but a hartop stick will keep up with a fox. A 95 gt with a blower running a 14.5 is f*cking rediculous. I know people who have ran a 14.5 stock. That is just down right insulting. I am installing longtubes, controll arms, and a cat back tommorow and I going to the track on the 24th. I guarantee you I will be close to your time. I will post the results. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

03-02-2001, 06:27 PM	#27
bad93gt Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: bamgor me.usa Posts: 19	thanks rbatson and fastang for helping me get my point across.i was sure i knew what i was talking about.i am wondering how badly this will hurt my fuel economy by blockink off the return line with the fms.i can`t wait to try my car out with the charger installed it is still winter here.hopefully it won`t be to be since it is only under boost.but im sure ill have a hard time staying out of it.at least at first.

03-02-2001, 08:11 PM	#28
AJSTANG Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maryland Posts: 123	Okay! Maybe I got a little carried away. But that is what he ran. Most 95's don't run 14.6 either. Let's say on the avg...15.0 sec. 8 lb of boost on a totally stock set up is low 14's maybe high 13's with good weather and traction.

03-03-2001, 03:18 AM	#29
andrewgarland Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: El Monte, CA, USA Posts: 34	Damn guys! I didn't mean to start a flame! anyway, it's gonna get a little more intense, because... I'm racing my friends '67 camaro on the 24th. And he's DEFINITELY not stock. He's got a 383 stroker, cam, headers, 4:10 gears and a racing clutch. And I'm AOD!!! Now, here's the dilemma. I HAVE to beat him! Were talking PRIDE here boys! It's your typical one best friend is a stanger, the other is a bow tie! I'm going to spend around 2K before the 24th (cause I got 2 checks coming in), and he's not gonna do anything by then. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO??? I CAN'T LOSE!!! Right now I'm leaning towards the following: 1. 11 or 13 degree timing 2. remove air silencer 3. 4:10 gears 4. shift kit 5. headers (maybe exhaust) 6. cold air intake Now I know I can do the first two myself, so now labor, but how much for parts and installation on the rest? What brands? Is this the best way to go, considering the budget? It's crunch time boys...

03-03-2001, 03:41 AM	#30
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	Nevermind [This message has been edited by fastang (edited 03-03-2001).]