4 vs 8

[bugnout247]

personally dude..i think you should save yer pennies for the 5.0 ...drive the bug and save money...so long as you trust yerself and can drive responsibly..you may regret sooner then later that you dont have a stang ...a highly modified stang.with gears for example then no i dont recommend it....but especially if you already have it in yer mind and are inclined to speed..my first car was a 5.0 stang..ok condition but the engine was good...granted i got a few tickets i am still paying for but my town is infested with cops...i was forced to drive a 93 probe when i sold it...complete disgrace..like having my face in dog sheet the whole time...anyhow...if you can afford it...get the 5.0...you wont regret it..just my 2 cents

[1BAD89]

i was forced to drive a 93 probe when i sold it...complete disgrace..like having my face in dog sheet the whole time..

[fordkid68]

yea I think thats what I will do. I just didn't want to drive the bug for very long but thats ok. so I guess it's time to save and stop bothering you guys.


thanks guys you have helped alot.
ford kid

[jerrys84]

HERE'S AN IDEA


buy the Mustang with the 4 cyl, and build a 5.0 motor to put in it..


2 years from now you'd have a nice motor to put into the car, pick up a T5 along the way, there you go. you'd also earn the additional pride of knowing that 'You' built it.. and you learned some things along the way...


just my .02

[fordkid68]

Originally posted by jerrys84
HERE'S AN IDEA


buy the Mustang with the 4 cyl, and build a 5.0 motor to put in it..


2 years from now you'd have a nice motor to put into the car, pick up a T5 along the way, there you go. you'd also earn the additional pride of knowing that 'You' built it.. and you learned some things along the way...


just my .02

now there is A smart idea I have always wanted to build my own motor. but what ells would I have to change on the 4cyl mustang to drop the 5.0 engine in it. like would I have to swap A stronger rear end. or the front suspension. again A veary good idea.

thanks
ford kid

[jerrys84]

I did a 302 swap into an 81 4 cyl mustang...


had to change the radiator, and I changed the trans to a C4. everything else was 4 cyl original.. thought i may have to change the oil pan but even that worked.

i think it had a 7.5" rear end, which is what my 84 GT has in it.. and to date not a problem...

depends on what you do with the car when you get it done..



good luck,

and if help is needed, you came to the rite place, these peeps are good..

[NorthCoast2.3T]

The 4cyl. vs 8cyl. is a good question you being a youngster and all. You need insurance to drive now and i'm pretty sure that a lx 5.0 or a escort gt is gonna be expensive. Here is a idea buy a real nice late 80s early 90s mustang. Then swap in a turbo coupe motor. I know some of the people are laughing right now but these motors have a lot of potencial and might keep your insurance premium down to a decent level. They can make around 400hp with not much more than bone yard parts, on a stock bottom end. Besides nothing upsets a ricer or a 5.0 guy more than being smoked by a 4cyl.... If ya dont believe me go here and do some readin http://www.turboford.org/ NorthCoast2.3T

[NorthCoast2.3T]

My Brother has a 81 Capri 351 windsor T-5, Dart heads and is a fun ride, I like it but I still like to see the underdogs take on the big dogs and win.

[fordkid68]

wooaaa ok so you guys are saying that if I buy A 4cyl mustang there is several options as to what motor I could drop in it. that would be perfect cause as I have said before my dad doesn't want me to have a car faster then 14 seconds until I am 18. I am liking the idea of buying A 4cyl and then take my time and build my own engine then come my 18 birthday drop the sucker in. and while we are on the subject how much HP can the 7.5 inch rear end handle

thanks
ford kid

[Jeb_Bush_2000]

About 200hp.


If you put anything with balls in there, you're going to need a Trac-loc 8.8". Anything with more balls than a mild 5.0 is going to require some other modifications, primarily to the chassis and suspension.

[kiku2sleep]

When I was 16 my 1st vehicle was a beat up old 4banger pickup truck. I drove it around for about 6-8months. I don't know about everyone else but I couldn't drive very well to say the least when I turned 16. I didn't pay much for it and sold it for almost what I paid for it. After that I got an 87 LX 5.0 I think I paid a little under 4000 for it (back in 1995). My dad did not like the idea very much, but my mom being the pushover she is hooked it up. After I got the car the only problem I had between my dad and the mustang was them frequently disappearing together. It was probably was a good idea getting one with an AOD (although I wanted a 5-speed) It kept me somewhat out of trouble although I did come close to biting it a couple times. If I was you I would get a beater to drive around for a little while why you save money, learn to drive, keep out of trouble, and build on your fathers trust. At that point sell the beater and get the V8 mustang. My $.02.

[fordkid68]

ok I have made up my mind. well my dad kinda did it for me. I am going to drive the bug I have now till I can save up 4 to 5000$ and then start looking around for A 5.0.


thanks
ford kid

[Jeb_Bush_2000]

Be careful. Bugs are prone to snapping into oversteer.

[Piston]

I will agree with Mr. 5.0 I can't imagine driving a Mustang 5.0 when I was 16. Way to irresponsible and have no idea what my actions can cause. Instead of an escort or the 4 banger mustang you might want to look at a Thunderbird. They are rear wheel drive like the mustangs and way slower then the 5.0's even if you buy the 5.0 tbird. However, I would suggest that you buy a 3.8 Tbird or perhaps the 3.8 SC tbird (very rare and used to be my dream car). The tbird is not well behaved in the snow but a lot better then a 5.0 mustang. If you live in an area with no or little snow that might be your answer. If your winters are harsh and lots of snow forget rear wheel drive as your first car. The tbird is a slow moving car because of the massive weight. When I say slow moving I'm talking 17 second 1/4miles not 20 or more that the 4 banger mustang would get you. With the super coupe you might be in the 15's.

Try to get stick if you get anything. It's harder to drive but the younger you are the quicker your shifting will be when you get your 5.0 when your 18 or so (it will be more natrual. One another note. Just the other day I took out my pony on the street (dynoed 325 rwhp) and found some 17-18 year old punks hanging out. They wanted to race me immediately. These guys had some z28's that their foolish parents bought them with superchargers that I can't see so they claimed ;-). Now I say this because they all pulled out on to a 45mph street with lots of traffic and started to make some crazy lane changes all at once. They almost crashed into each other and other traffic like 6 times in the stretch of 2 miles. These kids are pure idiots. I know this doesn't apply to all 18 year olds but whatever car you get the very first thing to learn about it is R E S P E C T. If you learn that you will do just fine. I don't know where I'm going with all this but my vote is tbird as opposed to the 4 banger escort or mustang.

[fordkid68]

Originally posted by Jeb_Bush_2000
Be careful. Bugs are prone to snapping into oversteer.

ok now I know your going to think I am an idiot but I am confused between oversteer and understeer so if you could explain that I would appreaciate it.


Piston- I was thinking about that but I just going to drive my bug untill I get anuf money to buy my 5.0 (it will take me at least 6 months but probly more like 8 or 9 months)

thanks
ford kid

[Piston]

No Problem... I'm just remembering my 93 tbird days ohh what fun did I have. Good luck with whatever you get and don't forget the bit about RESPECT for the car.

[Jeb_Bush_2000]

I think it was Cale Yarborough who said, "[Understeer] is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. [Oversteer] is when you hit it with the back of the car."

Understeer is when the car wants to plow through a turn and not change direction. Oversteer is where the rear-end wants to overtake the front. On the street, that usually leads to fishtailling.


(Note to nitpickers: He actually said "tight" and "loose", which is why I put "understeer" and "oversteer" in brackets. )

[Sonics2042]

I think the beetle to 5.0 idea is a good one. My first car was a Mustang 5.0 (which I still have 2 years later). They definately aren't that great in snow (generous)...I have had a few close calls. Sand is pretty bad too. Rain is not that bad if you don't floor it and you have pretty good tires. I have some suspension stuff, so most people are very surprised about the high level of quality handling.

The only downside to owning a 5.0 is that it becomes EXTREMELY addicting. If you have an income, don't expect to have it long . There is always something you can do or buy for your car. And you always want to do or buy it!

2.3Ls are garbage. I would rather own...a lot of stuff. But there is nothing in the price range of the 5.0 that has the stock performance, not to mention the unheard of aftermarket potential. I like my car (...maybe too much).

Thanks,
DoranW

[fordkid68]

Jeb_Bush_2000 thanks after I posted the qustions about oversteer my dad walked in and I asked him and he used my brother cause he has done it more then once and has gone through A couple of fences.



Piston yea my friend has A tbird and it's A fun car. and you don't have to worry about the respecting of cars I respect every car that my family has and am always offeering to fix them tune them up or wash them what ever needs to be done. basicly cars is my life. and I don't drive like A ******* I mean I have my permit so it's not like I have driven on my own but I don't drive crazy and wont when I get my lisence.


thanks for all your help guys I really appreciate it especially since I am yung and nobody seems to want to help me cause of it.

thanks
ford kid

[Jeb_Bush_2000]

I mean I have my permit so it's not like I have driven on my own but I don't drive crazy and wont when I get my lisence.

You say that now, but you'd be surprised how badly you'll drive when you first get your license.