RIPPED OFF - Page 2

drewcifer · 08-03-2001, 04:16 PM

I have posted a complaint with the FBI and given them all the details I have, but who knows how committed they'll be to investigating this. I have thought about investigator sevices via the net, but they seem to only be US based. I couldn't even find any kind of law enforcement agency in Panama to report this to. I assume the US law enforcement will have to contact Panama if that's what's going to happen. I'm trying to post this on every Mustang site I can find because these sites seem to be the places he operates mostly. Hopefully we can slow his business down, if anything. Until he sets up another alias, that is. I WILL contact Western Union to see if they keep security cameras though... that's a good idea. I bet they even have a record of the exact time it was picked up.

08-03-2001, 08:27 PM

I would also contact the postal service with as many names you can find of people who have dealt with these guys, and the amount of $$$$$ they scammed..

they may have a better chance of tracking this guy down.....

Just to remind you, The US postal service is required (by law) to investigate ALL cases..
find out who will be assigned to this case and 'make friends' with them....

good luck

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Black,84 GT,ground effects,shorty headers, 'open' dual exh.,302 HO(no pollution control crap),T5,89 ported heads,edelbrock Performer manifold, Edelbrock 2122 cam,600 Holley, high volume oil pump...

Some day (3:73 gears & N2O)!!!

will this ever end????

macx · 08-03-2001, 11:05 PM

If you have documentary evidence (i.e. receipts for money orders, cancelled check, receipt for sending mail) you can prosecute thru the postal dept. They vigorously pursue
cases like this, because at some point the fraudulent parties solicited or rec'd payment thru the mails. GOOD LUCK!! Oh, also copy
any emails sent/rec'd.

drewcifer · 08-07-2001, 07:30 PM

I found out this guy is operating on other sites (camaro is one I heard about) - if anyone frequents other car sites and sees this guy operating or hears about ripoffs he's done other places please let me know. BE CAREFUL!

MiracleMax · 08-07-2001, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jerryIII:
I suggest sending both men a very precise e-mail outlining the steps you will take, if this matter is not remedied ..

Forget that! I say drop the bomb on them and let their lawyers try and get them out of the frying pan!

tangodelta · 08-08-2001, 07:49 PM

If you have a good lead that the guy is in Wa. state, then look thru the American companies that have braches or do buisness in Panama, make a list. Then check them against companies in the SEA/tac area. Look for things that support the canal as contractors. Look for web sites for companies that do textiles or import export compaies. Any company based in Wa. that needs cheap labor....use your imagination. Also I would drop a dime with Imigration Naturalization, U.S. Customs, He has to clear thru these guys when he comes back into the country. Hell talk to the DEA. This ****** is obviously a criminal and who's to say that he's not moving illegal substances??? He'll pay a lot higher price for that than ripping you guys off. Or better yet go to WA. and bust some heads yourself....be a long trip out but a satisfying trip home!!!

RAGE_5.0 · 08-08-2001, 08:15 PM

i must say that washington dc is a very nice place
we went there on a field trip and man was it sweet all those monuments are cool

i would go right to the j edgar hoover building(fbi headquarters) and start bitchin

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Black 1990 gt cobra bonestock
not for long

aonick · 08-08-2001, 11:49 PM

man that sounds ***** up but i know a good web site that helps you finds ppl Anywho.com

good luck man your going to need it this site is the best i got some dude that was tryin to jip me on NOS i call that Mother **** up on his house phone he sent me back my $$$$$ and then i called the dea

2FastLX · 08-09-2001, 10:23 AM

The hotmail address is worth a shot. If he signed up the hotmail account from his computer maybe they got his IP?? I on't know if that'll help or not but I'd try anything if I was in your shoes.

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drewcifer · 08-10-2001, 08:33 AM

This guy is a total professional. I checked out all info I have on him - the cell phone is rented with cash, not under anyone's name, I also emailed hotmail and it's not a real notmail address - he uses false headers to make it look like it goes thru hotmail but it doesn't. Until I get my money back fromt his guy I will continue to post messages on every forum possible so he can't do his business anywhere on the net. I'm close to finding out where he is too so he better get me my money back before I have his address - by then when I visit him I won't be going after money.

ANGRYavalanche · 08-12-2001, 10:43 PM

Ebay has one roger baker registered as a user. Ebay might be willing to give a hand. Since they are cracking down on people scamming over there site. And the site www.anywho.com has only 7 roger bakers listed in Washington, so that is pretty easy to narrow it down to. I am sure that you can remember what the guy sounded or talked like. Good luck, and kick him in the balls once for me!

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08-03-2001, 04:16 PM	#21
drewcifer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: stevens point, WI US Posts: 7	I have posted a complaint with the FBI and given them all the details I have, but who knows how committed they'll be to investigating this. I have thought about investigator sevices via the net, but they seem to only be US based. I couldn't even find any kind of law enforcement agency in Panama to report this to. I assume the US law enforcement will have to contact Panama if that's what's going to happen. I'm trying to post this on every Mustang site I can find because these sites seem to be the places he operates mostly. Hopefully we can slow his business down, if anything. Until he sets up another alias, that is. I WILL contact Western Union to see if they keep security cameras though... that's a good idea. I bet they even have a record of the exact time it was picked up.

08-03-2001, 08:27 PM	#22
jerryIII Guest Posts: n/a	I would also contact the postal service with as many names you can find of people who have dealt with these guys, and the amount of $$$$$ they scammed.. they may have a better chance of tracking this guy down..... Just to remind you, The US postal service is required (by law) to investigate ALL cases.. find out who will be assigned to this case and 'make friends' with them.... good luck ------------------ Black,84 GT,ground effects,shorty headers, 'open' dual exh.,302 HO(no pollution control crap),T5,89 ported heads,edelbrock Performer manifold, Edelbrock 2122 cam,600 Holley, high volume oil pump... Some day (3:73 gears & N2O)!!! will this ever end????

08-03-2001, 11:05 PM	#23
macx Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Gordonville MO USA Posts: 448	If you have documentary evidence (i.e. receipts for money orders, cancelled check, receipt for sending mail) you can prosecute thru the postal dept. They vigorously pursue cases like this, because at some point the fraudulent parties solicited or rec'd payment thru the mails. GOOD LUCK!! Oh, also copy any emails sent/rec'd.

08-07-2001, 07:30 PM	#24
drewcifer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: stevens point, WI US Posts: 7	I found out this guy is operating on other sites (camaro is one I heard about) - if anyone frequents other car sites and sees this guy operating or hears about ripoffs he's done other places please let me know. BE CAREFUL!

08-08-2001, 07:49 PM	#26
tangodelta Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1	If you have a good lead that the guy is in Wa. state, then look thru the American companies that have braches or do buisness in Panama, make a list. Then check them against companies in the SEA/tac area. Look for things that support the canal as contractors. Look for web sites for companies that do textiles or import export compaies. Any company based in Wa. that needs cheap labor....use your imagination. Also I would drop a dime with Imigration Naturalization, U.S. Customs, He has to clear thru these guys when he comes back into the country. Hell talk to the DEA. This ****** is obviously a criminal and who's to say that he's not moving illegal substances??? He'll pay a lot higher price for that than ripping you guys off. Or better yet go to WA. and bust some heads yourself....be a long trip out but a satisfying trip home!!!

08-08-2001, 08:15 PM	#27
RAGE_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Leamington, Ontario, Canada Posts: 767	i must say that washington dc is a very nice place we went there on a field trip and man was it sweet all those monuments are cool i would go right to the j edgar hoover building(fbi headquarters) and start bitchin ------------------ Black 1990 gt cobra bonestock not for long

08-08-2001, 11:49 PM	#28
aonick Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: baton rouge la usa Posts: 42	man that sounds *** up but i know a good web site that helps you finds ppl Anywho.com good luck man your going to need it this site is the best i got some dude that was tryin to jip me on NOS i call that Mother ** up on his house phone he sent me back my $$$$$ and then i called the dea

08-09-2001, 10:23 AM	#29
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	The hotmail address is worth a shot. If he signed up the hotmail account from his computer maybe they got his IP?? I on't know if that'll help or not but I'd try anything if I was in your shoes. ------------------ Gunning for 12's! Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241

08-10-2001, 08:33 AM	#30
drewcifer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: stevens point, WI US Posts: 7	This guy is a total professional. I checked out all info I have on him - the cell phone is rented with cash, not under anyone's name, I also emailed hotmail and it's not a real notmail address - he uses false headers to make it look like it goes thru hotmail but it doesn't. Until I get my money back fromt his guy I will continue to post messages on every forum possible so he can't do his business anywhere on the net. I'm close to finding out where he is too so he better get me my money back before I have his address - by then when I visit him I won't be going after money.

08-12-2001, 10:43 PM	#31
ANGRYavalanche Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: hollywood, Florida Posts: 1	Ebay has one roger baker registered as a user. Ebay might be willing to give a hand. Since they are cracking down on people scamming over there site. And the site www.anywho.com has only 7 roger bakers listed in Washington, so that is pretty easy to narrow it down to. I am sure that you can remember what the guy sounded or talked like. Good luck, and kick him in the balls once for me!