car won't start

elma22 · 10-16-2001, 01:45 AM

I just did a whole explorer intake swap on my 88 GT. The problem is thatthe car won't start. I have used upper and lower intake along with the slim explorer injectors which are supposed to work with EEC-IV. There are guys who have them on. Everything is pluged in the fuel pressure is there the spark is there and all I get is the engine turning, thats it. Not even a huf or puf. I even put a stock injector back in one place to see if it would puf but nothing. Same simptom. I don't believe I turned the distributor to set the timing off since I tryed to see if I could turn it, but everything is tight. I'm missing something but can't figure out what. Any ideas.

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joe4speed · 10-16-2001, 02:04 AM

you didn't take the dist. out?

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elma22 · 10-16-2001, 02:11 AM

No, just the cap, and the cap looks good and I'm getting the spark.

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Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats
Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps,
MAC cold air fender induction,
MAF conversion, cobra eec

ALS85GT · 10-16-2001, 08:45 AM

You mentioned you have spark, next thing to look for is fuel. Remove one of the injectors and see if it pulses. No fuel, no start. my 2cents......

PKRWUD · 10-16-2001, 09:42 AM

I agree. You may haver pressure, but are your injectors receiving a signal? Try to start it, and then pull a plug and see if it's wet. How did you determine that you have spark?

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elma22 · 10-16-2001, 11:30 AM

I pulled the spark plug and grounded it to the block. Regarding the injectors I measured the voltage at the plugs with the ignition on. The bar on the back of the intake that looks like a letter C and bolts on the intake bolts is out. Is it important? Does it by any chance have a function of grounding something?

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Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats
Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps,
MAC cold air fender induction,
MAF conversion, cobra eec

John R. Mustang · 10-17-2001, 10:33 AM

I have take that bar off many mustangs with no problems. I think it is just for structural rigidity not electrical grounding. I just rebuilt my engine and couldn't get it to start. Turns out that the plugs were fouled from previous attempts at starting so I put in new plugs and held the gas pedal to the floor. Fired right up! You might give this a try if you have checked timing, firing order, and everything else.

Chevyguy · 10-17-2001, 12:57 PM

Have you confirmed fuel is getting into the cyllinders? If the plugs are dry and you have spark, then no fuel is getting in. Try spraying starting fluid down the throttle body, if it starts up then dies, fuel is your problem.

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ALS85GT · 10-17-2001, 01:37 PM

I would agree w/ chevyguy......

Chevyguy · 10-17-2001, 02:57 PM

If he has spark and any gas, at least there should be some puff or backfires, BTDT never seen any flames come out of the TB yet probably not as fun as with a carb

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elma22 · 10-17-2001, 03:37 PM

I'm going back to the garage later on tonight to check the electric pule at the injectors. That's the only thing that is left unchecked. Wish me luck.

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1 5-8 full lenght headers
Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats
Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps,
MAC cold air fender induction,
MAF conversion, cobra eec

elma22 · 11-01-2001, 02:34 AM

I swaped the stock injectors back in and the car runs. That's not the weard part. I let my friend use one of the explorer injectors and it runs fine in his car. What the hell is going on?

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Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats
Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps,
MAC cold air fender induction,
MAF conversion, cobra eec

PKRWUD · 11-01-2001, 03:58 AM

Have you tried swaping in one Explorer injector?

Take care,
-Chris

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fiveohpatrol · 11-01-2001, 01:41 PM

whats the point of using the explorer injectors anyway? they're 19lb'ers as well arent they?

do they somehow spray different or more efficiently or something?

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elma22 · 11-01-2001, 02:41 PM

For one they are almost new, which will save money in cleaning the old ones, secondly they are supposed to flow as well as 24 pound injectors. As far as I know.

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1 5-8 full lenght headers
Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats
Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps,
MAC cold air fender induction,
MAF conversion, cobra eec

10-16-2001, 01:45 AM	#1
elma22 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 45	car won't start I just did a whole explorer intake swap on my 88 GT. The problem is thatthe car won't start. I have used upper and lower intake along with the slim explorer injectors which are supposed to work with EEC-IV. There are guys who have them on. Everything is pluged in the fuel pressure is there the spark is there and all I get is the engine turning, thats it. Not even a huf or puf. I even put a stock injector back in one place to see if it would puf but nothing. Same simptom. I don't believe I turned the distributor to set the timing off since I tryed to see if I could turn it, but everything is tight. I'm missing something but can't figure out what. Any ideas. ------------------ 1 5-8 full lenght headers Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps, MAC cold air fender induction, MAF conversion, cobra eec

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10-16-2001, 02:04 AM	#2
joe4speed He said Member...heh, heh Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Jupiter, Florida U.S.A. Posts: 3,718	you didn't take the dist. out? ------------------ Joe! 1988 GT, 167,000 miles!!! 13.58@105mph Check out my listing! Click here! Or my website:www.joe4speed.com 99 Ninja ZX-6R:10.32@135mph! 1993 Olds Eighty Eight LSS 16.40@88.8mph

10-16-2001, 02:11 AM	#3
elma22 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 45	No, just the cap, and the cap looks good and I'm getting the spark. ------------------ 1 5-8 full lenght headers Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps, MAC cold air fender induction, MAF conversion, cobra eec

10-16-2001, 08:45 AM	#4
ALS85GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Miami, Fl, USA Posts: 69	You mentioned you have spark, next thing to look for is fuel. Remove one of the injectors and see if it pulses. No fuel, no start. my 2cents......

10-16-2001, 09:42 AM	#5
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	I agree. You may haver pressure, but are your injectors receiving a signal? Try to start it, and then pull a plug and see if it's wet. How did you determine that you have spark? ~Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN.

10-16-2001, 11:30 AM	#6
elma22 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 45	I pulled the spark plug and grounded it to the block. Regarding the injectors I measured the voltage at the plugs with the ignition on. The bar on the back of the intake that looks like a letter C and bolts on the intake bolts is out. Is it important? Does it by any chance have a function of grounding something? ------------------ 1 5-8 full lenght headers Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps, MAC cold air fender induction, MAF conversion, cobra eec

10-17-2001, 10:33 AM	#7
John R. Mustang Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Rolla, MO, USA Posts: 187	I have take that bar off many mustangs with no problems. I think it is just for structural rigidity not electrical grounding. I just rebuilt my engine and couldn't get it to start. Turns out that the plugs were fouled from previous attempts at starting so I put in new plugs and held the gas pedal to the floor. Fired right up! You might give this a try if you have checked timing, firing order, and everything else.

10-17-2001, 12:57 PM	#8
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	Have you confirmed fuel is getting into the cyllinders? If the plugs are dry and you have spark, then no fuel is getting in. Try spraying starting fluid down the throttle body, if it starts up then dies, fuel is your problem. ------------------ Frank W 90 5.0 LX Notchback Daily driver. MAC 2.5" cat back FMS aluminum driveshaft, MSD blaster coil, MAC shifter other stuff check out here user site 88 Notch 2.3L FOR SALE! My two Notchbacks 74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 Warmed over 305 upgrading to 454 soon <A HREF="http://www.chevellepages.com/fo

10-17-2001, 01:37 PM	#9
ALS85GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Miami, Fl, USA Posts: 69	I would agree w/ chevyguy......

10-17-2001, 02:57 PM	#10
Chevyguy Backyard Mechanic/Chemist Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Acton MA USA Posts: 435	If he has spark and any gas, at least there should be some puff or backfires, BTDT never seen any flames come out of the TB yet probably not as fun as with a carb ------------------ Frank W 90 5.0 LX Notchback Daily driver. MAC 2.5" cat back FMS aluminum driveshaft, MSD blaster coil, MAC shifter other stuff check out here user site 88 Notch 2.3L FOR SALE! My two Notchbacks 74 Chevy Laguna Type S-3 Warmed over 305 upgrading to 454 soon my web site [This message has been edited by Chevyguy (edited 10-17-2001).]

10-17-2001, 03:37 PM	#11
elma22 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 45	I'm going back to the garage later on tonight to check the electric pule at the injectors. That's the only thing that is left unchecked. Wish me luck. ------------------ 1 5-8 full lenght headers Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps, MAC cold air fender induction, MAF conversion, cobra eec

11-01-2001, 02:34 AM	#12
elma22 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 45	I swaped the stock injectors back in and the car runs. That's not the weard part. I let my friend use one of the explorer injectors and it runs fine in his car. What the hell is going on? ------------------ 1 5-8 full lenght headers Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps, MAC cold air fender induction, MAF conversion, cobra eec

11-01-2001, 03:58 AM	#13
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Have you tried swaping in one Explorer injector? Take care, -Chris ------------------ Retired Moderator MustangNet My site: Peckerwoods Pit Stop My teams site: Jim Porter Racing RACECAR spelled backwards is RACECAR HEY !!! Are you ASE Certified ??? If you are, ask me about iATN.

11-01-2001, 01:41 PM	#14
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	whats the point of using the explorer injectors anyway? they're 19lb'ers as well arent they? do they somehow spray different or more efficiently or something? ------------------ 88 Notch, B&M Ripper, 3.73's, Ported E7's, Explorer int. w/ ported lower, pulleys, 1.7RR's, full exhaust,65mm TB, Nitto DR's, new best 1/4--> 13.42@106.18 (1.89 short time)

11-01-2001, 02:41 PM	#15
elma22 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 45	For one they are almost new, which will save money in cleaning the old ones, secondly they are supposed to flow as well as 24 pound injectors. As far as I know. ------------------ 1 5-8 full lenght headers Custom 3" exhaust with 3" high flow cats Flowmasters 40 series with pro dumps, MAC cold air fender induction, MAF conversion, cobra eec