351W or 460 ?

[Coupe Devil]

Originally posted by Dark Knight


AND.. the standard 2 bolt 460 block is good for 600HP..

More than that with a girdle and hard block..

[Dark Knight]

yeah, but you start to get cap walk at the higher HP numbers with the 460... unless you pin the caps or convert to 4 bolt.. which is pretty easy :-)

[Coupe Devil]

buddy turns his 8600 in the pulling truck ( loaded all the time ) not just under a load when racing ..... and all he has is hard block and a main cap.

Bradley

[USMC302]

I say go for the 460 as well, I am going to stroke my current setup to 331, but I have 2 bolt bare 460 on the engine stand in the garage that has my eye......once I win the lottery. But until then it motivates me to get a better paying job...

[429mustang]

I don't remember who just started making them, but there are bellhousings available for Tremecs to bolt up to almost any engine (big blocks, other makes, etc.), I don't think it's lake wood though. Anyway, I have a 429 sitting at a machine shop in Ohio if your interested, I have the swap pan/oil pump/pickup, victor 4150 intake, Polished Ford Racing Valve covers, fuel pump, and a few other parts. The motor was started at the shop ( disassembled, cleaned, maybe bored .030), I need to find hoe far it's been machined so far. Anyway, if anyones interested let me know, it's a 1970 429 with (i think) C9VE heads, it was out of a T-bird and should have around 11-1 comp with stock pistons.

[Coupe Devil]

Would you sell the intake? You mean Victor like Edelbrock Victor intake?? I have a friend who is very interested in a Victor intake and I would get his old one.

Thanks
Bradley

[429mustang]

I definitely want to sell it, I still owe the machine shop some money and then I can get all the parts/motor back to sell. I'll probably be picking everything up in a week or two, then I'll be ready to ship out anything I can sell so let me know if they're interested. It is an Edelbrock Victor 4150 (not dominator), it's about 6" high, it's pretty bada*s. It's brand new, I paid $300 for it and I'd like to get around $240 for it.

[90GT398]

let's look at all the options here, okay let's get this out the way first, "there is no replacement for displacement" sometimes. LOL

Me personally I like the stroked 351 route, you have plenty of cylinder heads to choose from, headers,oil pans, so on so forth that you can pretty much walk into any of your local speed shops and buy, heck even some Kragen's you might get lucky. A 351 can easily be mistaken for a 302 by a lot of hammerheads out there who drive Camaros Firebird and rice rockets.

Advantage of the 429/460 unbelieveable torque that will always be there, the first time I ever drove a small block with a stroker kit, I could not get over the torque it had, so if this 8.2 deck had crazy torque, then i am sure a 429/460 has mad torque.

You are going to need a lot of custom parts to put that 429/460 in a Fox Body, it can be done they sell kits now a day's for that swap but you better upgrade the front suspension so it does not bottom out, food for thought.

Me personally I like the stroked 351 route,there are so many options for running a stroked Windsor especially if you get a FRPP W block or a Dart block.

[86GT]

This post is resurrected huh? Well, I figure I'll add to it again.

A good friend of mine did a swap. From a Vic Jr headed 408 to a slightly worked 460. Slightly meaning ported DOVE heads, edelbrock intake, FRPP cam (not sure on specs) and went from a Tremec to a C-6. Kept the rest of the car the same except for front springs to help offset the weight. It handles exactly the same as it did with the 408 (On the street). He went from 12.1 at 114 (with the 408) to an 11.78 at 116 (with the 460). He only runs on slicks at the track too.

If you need to save money, then doing a 351 swap is cheaper, but a 429/460 is not too expensive either. Its all upto you in how you want your car to react and feel.

So IMO, do the 460, its worth it in the end. There are tons of parts available cheaply, and power isn't as expensive as many people may have you believe. IMO, big block.

[90GT398]

not trying to start a flame war but only 2 mph and 3 tenths? it should have been a bigger gain that that, a lot bigger.

[86GT]

90GT398,
I agree, it should have been, but remember, he had a Victor Jr. headed 408 that made serious power to a relatively mild 460. He plans on Blue Thunder heads in the future. He reused the carb from the 408, some 750cfm Demon carb (not sure on the specs). How is a 1.9 60' for 11.78 sound? Compared to a 1.68 for a 12.1? His M/T's are worn, so thats a future consideration for him too. No flames here, so no worries.

In street trim, the 408 wasn't the most pleasant to drive through town, but the 460 is a lot more forgiving that way. (Not a wild setup yet, that's why).

IMO, I think the suspension needs a bit of tweaking, and new slicks to help the traction.



Back to the original post, Quantum, do what fits your budget best, and enjoy it. A 351W swap will work fine, and produce tons of power, so will a 460. It all depends on what you want.

[Dark Knight]

not really... a built 408 vs. a mild 460? bet the 460 idles smoother..

and parts for a 460 arent any more expensive than a small block..
stroker kits are about the same.. heads are close too... set of AFR 205's or canfields arent much less than a set of blue thunder or FRPP heads.. and there's talk of making a set of iron copies of the new SCJ head..

BTW, the 460 is smaller in size than a 4.6... go figure

FWIW, I debated on a 347 and the big block.. but at the power levels I want, a 302 block wouldnt last.. the 460 will...

bigger IS better

[Dark Knight]

oops... I need to type faster

[QuantumMotorsports]

Thanks for all of the input guys. I suppose I should have told you guys that I decided to go with building up a 302. It's just a lot easier. I got the short block for free and am having machine work done on it, getting it back today actually. Bored .030 over with TRW forged flat toppers with valve reliefs. Stock rods, stock crank, all reworked. New everything. I guess my combo will be mild compared to some, but it will be a definate low budget project that will turn some heads when i'm done. I'm just going with GT40P heads (found some for $150 that need valve job and springs) Weiand stealth intake, either a holley or edelbrock carb, don't know yet, somewhere in the range of 600-700 cfm. Comp cams 292H, MAC 1 5/8th long tubes, 40 series flows, normal rotation water pump (backwards from the fox body pumps) an alternator and a tiny crank pulley (3 inch race pulley), T5 tranny, FMS clutch kit, turbo coupe rear with 3.55s, QA1 motorsports tubular K member, plastic fuel cell, the rest of the car is stripped down bare. It may not be a badass ride, but it will be the fastest beater i've ever seen. I'll be sure and post some pics when i start putting it back together. The K member is in. This weekend I'm getting some front suspension parts (spindles, struts, and brakes from my old cougar, and new FMS a arms) and I'm also getting my old rear end that I put in, out of a turbo coupe. It'll be set up! Anyway, I'm getting the engine back today, so I'll post some pics of that too. Later.

[86GT]

Quantum,

Yup, that's why I didn't do a big block swap. Just easier to do a 302/306 and enjoy that for a while. Sounds like a neat setup, can't wait to see how it does at the track.


Dark Knight,

Yeah, when my brother got his 2000GT (Yellow Spring Feature Edition car), we looked at the 4.6 just to see, and wow.. It sure is a big (physical size) motor.

[Coupe Devil]

Well ive decided to go wit ha big block Mainly cause I got one free just need to upgrade to DOVE heads and victor intake. I figure I can swap to a set of DOVE heads, Stock cobra jet cam, and a good Torker I Ior Offy intake and get 450 horse.. 525 with the juice. I think that should be enough to boil the rice here.

Bradley