going turbocharged which cubic inch motor to build

Mustangboy89 · 06-24-2003, 11:07 PM

hey fellow mustangers after all the deciding on power adders i'm going with a twin turbo set up by turbo driven concepts.and now all i got to do is decide what would be the best stroker motor to build as my foundation for this turbo charger i already decided on the heads i'm going with the new trick flow high port heads,still deciding on a intake for it. what would be the best cubic inch motor to build for it should i go with a stroked 302 or a stroked 351.the car i'm building it for already has drag race suspension front to back and i'm hoping to get into the low 10's possibly a high 9's on a good cool day.so i would appreciate any help u all can give me thank u.

glenn95gt · 06-25-2003, 12:24 AM

I would say a 331, but I'd suggest a different set of heads. I'd personally go with the AFR 185's a little more pricey, but well worth it, and have them o-ringed. Or if you are set on Trick flows, I'd go with the TEA 185's, with the mathching Intake. A friend of mine has a twin turbo 331, he is running 11's, but his heads and intake is what holds him back. He is running GT40's, and a cobra intake.

VeNuM · 06-25-2003, 12:28 PM

Stroked 351 all the way. 302 and 351 parts are very close in price and you will be much happier with the cubes. Remember, there's no replacement, for displacement. ~Brian

WADS56 · 06-25-2003, 12:55 PM

Yep, a 393 would be nice!

BilLster · 06-25-2003, 01:26 PM

depends on what you want a 302 will spin higher and faster than a 393 but on the street there will be no comperison at the track a modified high winding 302 will run strong

so if you have some of the parts or , How your going to use the car will decide alot.

IO would suggest a 393 , boxed upper intake ( gives better top end boost at some loss of low end torque)large intercooler

280 degree 512 lift solid roller cam and adjustable boost gauge will get you into the high 9's

also trans has alot to do with a 9 second car .

my car has a shudder that off of the line freakes me out
it twists and bucks , we tried new slicks and whoa traction launch lift almost wet pants. I never thought old slick would cause all the problems we were having.

silver_pilate · 06-25-2003, 02:11 PM

Hehe...ever since I got the Mustang 5 years ago, I've been wanting to go turbo. Never could afford it.

However, in the next 5 or so years, that will change

Anyway, I've planned for a while now to build a 393-408 stroker off a 351 windsor in front of a Lentech built AOD. It won't have to spin as high to make the power and should be stronger and more reliable. Watch out, though. Those turbos will be a handful on top of the horsepower you will make out of a stroked 351 with a decent head/intake/cam combo.

--nathan

Mustangboy89 · 06-25-2003, 02:30 PM

so the new trickflow high ports wouldn't be a good choice? so what would be a good intake oh i forgot to mention that this isn't going to be a solid roller motor it's going to be a hydralic roller motor. thanks guys for your help

Ackbar00 · 06-25-2003, 03:43 PM

READ THIS!!!

People are having very large wait times on their TDC systems (up to 1.5 years) I Strongly advise you to go to this website and ask some questions before buying. There are also links to every place that sells a turbo kit for a mustang. I personaly have ordered a Pro Turbo Kits Street T-64 setup. It will be to me no later than July 18th or I get 15% of the whole order!!

www.turbomustangs.com

Mustangboy89 · 06-25-2003, 04:10 PM

so the new trickflow high ports wouldn't be a good choice? so what would be a good intake oh i forgot to mention that this isn't going to be a solid roller motor it's going to be a hydralic roller motor. thanks guys for your help

BilLster · 06-25-2003, 04:49 PM

high ports are ok they will work actually any quility aluminum head can be made to work.

I personally am thinking of getting AFR 205's

any 351 based lower trick flow or edlebrox with a boxed upper
I'm not to sure of a Gt 40 stlye ported .I port a ford truck lower to work with my combo

but the boxxed upper alows the motor to rev better.

same cam for hydraulic roller.

Mustangboy89 · 06-25-2003, 09:19 PM

well i already have the transmission it's a dynamic racing mighty mite c4 with trans brake,with a 373 gear and a eaton posi.this car isn't going to be a every day driver i mean i'll take it out on weekends but that's about it i'm going to take it to the track every now and then.i think i have gotten my choice down to a 331 or a 408 stroker. the reason why i'm going hydralic roller instead of a solid roller is because the mechanics around here where i live wouldn't have a clue on how to adjust the valves and to be honest i woudn't trust them with my car if ya know what i mean lol. every hot rodder that i have talk to says if u build a engine build it right the first time.i appreciate every ones help.so please keep the suggestion coming. thanks for your time

tarmon8r · 06-26-2003, 01:31 PM

i would recommend going with a 393 stroker, especially with the power adder. A point to ponder, the horsepower to speculating to acheive should be way over 500 hp. Your connecting rods are going to have to be a very good high quality choice. The rod on the 393 is a 351 rod. The other different cubic inch stroker rods are a unique length. Rods are going to be cheaper if you consider that the 351 rods are going to be more readily available and should be cheaper. Also consider the balancing that is going to be required. The crankshafts for those stroker cranks usually still require balancing, and if you buy a low buck kit, it probably isnt really going to handle your horsepower application. Most engine builders are going to recommend interally balancing your crank, (big money, mine was 800 bucks. lots of precisious metal). And i would recommend o-ringing the block, its more structually sound to o ring the block instead of the heads. Have everything torque plated and honed. IM running a hydralic roller cam on my combo. Great power, nice torque curve. As far as intake, i recommend victor, or maybe victor jr. Some big rpm intake for the 351 should work quite nice on blown 393, 408
peace

tarmon8r · 06-26-2003, 01:36 PM

and yeah i know that 408 motors have chrysler 6 cylinder truck rods, but still, i would rather have a 351 rod, cause if for some reason it blows apart, you can reuse 351 rods, what the hell are you going to do with 6 cylinder rods?
even if they are aftermarket rods, i like the flexiblity of being able to reuse those 500 dollar rods if i wanted too. those high ports would work great on a big motor like that

Mustangboy89 · 06-27-2003, 09:17 PM

if i went with a 408 what would be the best intake to run with a turbo set up. thanks.

VeNuM · 06-28-2003, 11:57 AM

Personally I'd go with a CHP Spyder Intake from a converted Victor Jr. ~Brian

LX XLR8R · 06-30-2003, 12:40 PM

2nd vote for spider

BilLster · 07-01-2003, 01:07 AM

spider or any quality efi with a boxxed upper

Mustangboy89 · 07-01-2003, 02:26 PM

i was wondering on that spyder efi intake does the pcv valve still hook up in the same place or is it eliminated from the intake thanks for ur help

Sonics2042 · 07-01-2003, 03:32 PM

Just as a note, I think it was MM&FF that made 1000+ HP/850+ # off a 331 running 13.9 #s of boost (single turbo).

Thanks,
DoranW

Mustangboy89 · 07-01-2003, 03:43 PM

i was wondering on that spyder efi intake does the pcv valve still hook up in the same place or is it eliminated from the intake thanks for ur help

06-24-2003, 11:07 PM	#1
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	going turbocharged which cubic inch motor to build hey fellow mustangers after all the deciding on power adders i'm going with a twin turbo set up by turbo driven concepts.and now all i got to do is decide what would be the best stroker motor to build as my foundation for this turbo charger i already decided on the heads i'm going with the new trick flow high port heads,still deciding on a intake for it. what would be the best cubic inch motor to build for it should i go with a stroked 302 or a stroked 351.the car i'm building it for already has drag race suspension front to back and i'm hoping to get into the low 10's possibly a high 9's on a good cool day.so i would appreciate any help u all can give me thank u. __________________ mustangboy89

06-25-2003, 12:24 AM	#2
glenn95gt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 86	I would say a 331, but I'd suggest a different set of heads. I'd personally go with the AFR 185's a little more pricey, but well worth it, and have them o-ringed. Or if you are set on Trick flows, I'd go with the TEA 185's, with the mathching Intake. A friend of mine has a twin turbo 331, he is running 11's, but his heads and intake is what holds him back. He is running GT40's, and a cobra intake. __________________ StAnGaHoLiC!!! 1995 GT S-Trimmed 306, with H/C/I, and some other stuff. It just sounds fast. My Car

06-25-2003, 12:28 PM	#3
VeNuM Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Downers Grove, IL Posts: 464	Stroked 351 all the way. 302 and 351 parts are very close in price and you will be much happier with the cubes. Remember, there's no replacement, for displacement. ~Brian __________________ 1989 Black Mustang GT Hatchback, Underdrive Pulles, Electric Fan, Cold Air Intake, Headers, Offroad H-Pipe, Magnaflow catback, Steeda Tri-Ax, Fluidyne Aluminum Radiator, Timing at 14*, 3.73's Coming not so soon: 408w Ricer Hater's Club Member #59

06-25-2003, 12:55 PM	#4
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	Yep, a 393 would be nice! __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

06-25-2003, 01:26 PM	#5
BilLster Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ontario canada Posts: 446	depends on what you want a 302 will spin higher and faster than a 393 but on the street there will be no comperison at the track a modified high winding 302 will run strong so if you have some of the parts or , How your going to use the car will decide alot. IO would suggest a 393 , boxed upper intake ( gives better top end boost at some loss of low end torque)large intercooler 280 degree 512 lift solid roller cam and adjustable boost gauge will get you into the high 9's also trans has alot to do with a 9 second car . my car has a shudder that off of the line freakes me out it twists and bucks , we tried new slicks and whoa traction launch lift almost wet pants. I never thought old slick would cause all the problems we were having. __________________ 89 with 331 t3'/t4 hybrids. upr Suspention worked out finnaly . 9.89 144 mph .

06-25-2003, 02:11 PM	#6
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	Hehe...ever since I got the Mustang 5 years ago, I've been wanting to go turbo. Never could afford it. However, in the next 5 or so years, that will change Anyway, I've planned for a while now to build a 393-408 stroker off a 351 windsor in front of a Lentech built AOD. It won't have to spin as high to make the power and should be stronger and more reliable. Watch out, though. Those turbos will be a handful on top of the horsepower you will make out of a stroked 351 with a decent head/intake/cam combo. --nathan __________________ '91 GT, Coast 347, 9.5:1 compression, full intake, Wolverine 1087 cam, exhaust, Keith Craft ported Windsor Jr. Irons (235 cfm intake, 195 cfm exhaust), AOD, PI 3500 converter, Lentech valve body, 3.73's (4.10's in the works), and Yokohama ES100's out back. Daily Car: '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT

06-25-2003, 02:30 PM	#7
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	so the new trickflow high ports wouldn't be a good choice? so what would be a good intake oh i forgot to mention that this isn't going to be a solid roller motor it's going to be a hydralic roller motor. thanks guys for your help __________________ mustangboy89

06-25-2003, 03:43 PM	#8
Ackbar00 Rebel Fleet Commander Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Huber Heights, OH Posts: 1,003	READ THIS!!! People are having very large wait times on their TDC systems (up to 1.5 years) I Strongly advise you to go to this website and ask some questions before buying. There are also links to every place that sells a turbo kit for a mustang. I personaly have ordered a Pro Turbo Kits Street T-64 setup. It will be to me no later than July 18th or I get 15% of the whole order!! www.turbomustangs.com __________________ 1993 Mustang GT, PTK w/ T-64 - My Cardomain Webpage 11.25@123.5 on only 8 psi. 10.84@121 on only 1 headgasket "The Truth is, Your the Weak, and I am the Tyranny of Evil Men!"

06-25-2003, 04:10 PM	#9
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	so the new trickflow high ports wouldn't be a good choice? so what would be a good intake oh i forgot to mention that this isn't going to be a solid roller motor it's going to be a hydralic roller motor. thanks guys for your help __________________ mustangboy89

06-25-2003, 04:49 PM	#10
BilLster Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ontario canada Posts: 446	high ports are ok they will work actually any quility aluminum head can be made to work. I personally am thinking of getting AFR 205's any 351 based lower trick flow or edlebrox with a boxed upper I'm not to sure of a Gt 40 stlye ported .I port a ford truck lower to work with my combo but the boxxed upper alows the motor to rev better. same cam for hydraulic roller. __________________ 89 with 331 t3'/t4 hybrids. upr Suspention worked out finnaly . 9.89 144 mph .

06-25-2003, 09:19 PM	#11
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	well i already have the transmission it's a dynamic racing mighty mite c4 with trans brake,with a 373 gear and a eaton posi.this car isn't going to be a every day driver i mean i'll take it out on weekends but that's about it i'm going to take it to the track every now and then.i think i have gotten my choice down to a 331 or a 408 stroker. the reason why i'm going hydralic roller instead of a solid roller is because the mechanics around here where i live wouldn't have a clue on how to adjust the valves and to be honest i woudn't trust them with my car if ya know what i mean lol. every hot rodder that i have talk to says if u build a engine build it right the first time.i appreciate every ones help.so please keep the suggestion coming. thanks for your time __________________ mustangboy89

06-26-2003, 01:31 PM	#12
tarmon8r Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: manassas, va Posts: 186	i would recommend going with a 393 stroker, especially with the power adder. A point to ponder, the horsepower to speculating to acheive should be way over 500 hp. Your connecting rods are going to have to be a very good high quality choice. The rod on the 393 is a 351 rod. The other different cubic inch stroker rods are a unique length. Rods are going to be cheaper if you consider that the 351 rods are going to be more readily available and should be cheaper. Also consider the balancing that is going to be required. The crankshafts for those stroker cranks usually still require balancing, and if you buy a low buck kit, it probably isnt really going to handle your horsepower application. Most engine builders are going to recommend interally balancing your crank, (big money, mine was 800 bucks. lots of precisious metal). And i would recommend o-ringing the block, its more structually sound to o ring the block instead of the heads. Have everything torque plated and honed. IM running a hydralic roller cam on my combo. Great power, nice torque curve. As far as intake, i recommend victor, or maybe victor jr. Some big rpm intake for the 351 should work quite nice on blown 393, 408 peace __________________ 1983 mustang, 393 cubic inch stroker small block, victor jr heads and intake, gold race 1.6 roller rockers. comp cam 304, 244@ .050. .576" hydralic retro roller cam,lunati rods. block was o-ringed,10:1 forged pistons, speed pro fit fit rings, clevite bearings,msd distributor and igniton,be cool huge radiator, black lite electric fan, march underdrive pulleys, mildon deep sump oil pan, mac 1 3.4" long tube headers, 3" dr gas x-pipe and mac exhaust,ARP bolts. car weighs 2900 lbs w/out driver, sub frames, weld wheels, mickey thompson sportsman pro 26 x 10.5 x 15's,#8 fuel line steel braided

06-26-2003, 01:36 PM	#13
tarmon8r Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: manassas, va Posts: 186	and yeah i know that 408 motors have chrysler 6 cylinder truck rods, but still, i would rather have a 351 rod, cause if for some reason it blows apart, you can reuse 351 rods, what the hell are you going to do with 6 cylinder rods? even if they are aftermarket rods, i like the flexiblity of being able to reuse those 500 dollar rods if i wanted too. those high ports would work great on a big motor like that __________________ 1983 mustang, 393 cubic inch stroker small block, victor jr heads and intake, gold race 1.6 roller rockers. comp cam 304, 244@ .050. .576" hydralic retro roller cam,lunati rods. block was o-ringed,10:1 forged pistons, speed pro fit fit rings, clevite bearings,msd distributor and igniton,be cool huge radiator, black lite electric fan, march underdrive pulleys, mildon deep sump oil pan, mac 1 3.4" long tube headers, 3" dr gas x-pipe and mac exhaust,ARP bolts. car weighs 2900 lbs w/out driver, sub frames, weld wheels, mickey thompson sportsman pro 26 x 10.5 x 15's,#8 fuel line steel braided

06-27-2003, 09:17 PM	#14
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	if i went with a 408 what would be the best intake to run with a turbo set up. thanks. __________________ mustangboy89

06-28-2003, 11:57 AM	#15
VeNuM Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Downers Grove, IL Posts: 464	Personally I'd go with a CHP Spyder Intake from a converted Victor Jr. ~Brian __________________ 1989 Black Mustang GT Hatchback, Underdrive Pulles, Electric Fan, Cold Air Intake, Headers, Offroad H-Pipe, Magnaflow catback, Steeda Tri-Ax, Fluidyne Aluminum Radiator, Timing at 14*, 3.73's Coming not so soon: 408w Ricer Hater's Club Member #59

06-30-2003, 12:40 PM	#16
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	2nd vote for spider __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

07-01-2003, 01:07 AM	#17
BilLster Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ontario canada Posts: 446	spider or any quality efi with a boxxed upper __________________ 89 with 331 t3'/t4 hybrids. upr Suspention worked out finnaly . 9.89 144 mph .

07-01-2003, 02:26 PM	#18
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	i was wondering on that spyder efi intake does the pcv valve still hook up in the same place or is it eliminated from the intake thanks for ur help __________________ mustangboy89

07-01-2003, 03:32 PM	#19
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	Just as a note, I think it was MM&FF that made 1000+ HP/850+ # off a 331 running 13.9 #s of boost (single turbo). Thanks, DoranW __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

07-01-2003, 03:43 PM	#20
Mustangboy89 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: garrett,kentucky Posts: 77	i was wondering on that spyder efi intake does the pcv valve still hook up in the same place or is it eliminated from the intake thanks for ur help __________________ mustangboy89

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