Timing 14* or 16*

titanium92 · 08-23-2004, 11:57 AM

Hi I am still a newbie but my question is what will adjusting my timing due for my almost stock mustang? What will I see if I do it?

GhOsT6_9 · 08-23-2004, 12:10 PM

Gives you a boost in performance, just make sure you run premium fuel.

I'd say go with 14*, 16* might be too much.

Red5Ltr · 08-23-2004, 02:48 PM

I have a 93' and I have the timing set at 15* running super unleaded and no issues.

88fivepointoh · 08-23-2004, 02:54 PM

14 to 15 degrees is great and again Super unleaded... Todays quality fuel sucks so super is the only way to go, 93 preferably 94...

titanium92 · 08-23-2004, 03:21 PM

Thanks for the feedback, now in which direction cw or ccw do I turn? or is there only one way? Is it hard to do? How much is involved to adjust it?

Thanks again.

GhettoPop · 08-23-2004, 03:53 PM

i bumped mine to 14* and use 87 octane. no pinging or problems.

Scrapla · 08-23-2004, 05:05 PM

Mine is also at 14* and I run 89octane and have no problems on an almost stock motor.

88fivepointoh · 08-23-2004, 06:34 PM

To advance is counter clockwise, and make sure you use a good timing light.. Its not hard to do, just make sure you set it correctly.

Falcons Talon · 08-24-2004, 09:22 AM

16* 92 octane no problems.

Make sure you remove the spout connecter.

GhettoPop · 08-24-2004, 10:27 AM

so why do some insist on 93 octane when u bump up the timing? i always figured that, on average a stock stang will run good @ 13*-14* w/ 87 octane. bumping it up to just say 15* may require 93 octane to avoid pinging. i always thought u should set timing as high as u can, once u hear pinging, drop down a degree or two. run 87, if it runs fine, stick w/ it. i also understand that every car is different right out of the factory. what do u all think? agree/disagree?

jimdrechsler · 08-24-2004, 11:39 AM

im at about 16, but hard to tell exactly. i also a 75 shot of nitrous. i wonder if i should retard mine a bit.

Hethj7 · 08-24-2004, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GhettoPop
so why do some insist on 93 octane when u bump up the timing? i always figured that, on average a stock stang will run good @ 13*-14* w/ 87 octane. bumping it up to just say 15* may require 93 octane to avoid pinging. i always thought u should set timing as high as u can, once u hear pinging, drop down a degree or two. run 87, if it runs fine, stick w/ it. i also understand that every car is different right out of the factory. what do u all think? agree/disagree?

I agree totally here. Why bump timing up a few degrees and have to run 93 octane on a basically stock Stang. Performance gains will be minimal and your wallet will hurt a lot more when you fill up. Set the timing as high as you can without pinging using 87 octane. That would be my advice.

88fivepointoh · 08-24-2004, 03:11 PM

On any High Performance motor, 93 octane is best, you won't always here the detonation, but it doesn't mean its not happening.. If you move up time from stock, 93 is best.

GhettoPop · 08-24-2004, 03:24 PM

with 93 octane costing approx 20 cents more than 87, do the math.

12,000 miles/yr @ 13mph = 923 gallons x 20 cents = $185/yr extra

I'll use 87, save the money, and rebuild/replace the engine when it dies using the money I saved, its cost effective and I see NO performance gain using 93 on a stock motor. that is why FORD did not recommend or require 89 or 93.

Keep in mind this is on a stock daily driver. If your a track guy, or highly modified, thats a different story.

88fivepointoh · 08-24-2004, 03:25 PM

well if you do the math, 185 dollars a year savings Vs. 1500 dollars plus on a motor rebiuld speaks for itself.. its what maybe 2 bucks more a the pump for a fill up? You get better performance plus no worries...

Falcons Talon · 08-24-2004, 04:09 PM

$185 a year extra? Is that it? Hell, I just won't super size the meals at dinner once a week and I should break even.

jimdrechsler · 08-24-2004, 05:06 PM

thats about 2 rounds of golf with beers here! no biggie!

tmoss · 08-24-2004, 09:30 PM

I am running 16* on 89 octane with no detonation.

Hethj7 · 08-26-2004, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 88fivepointoh
On any High Performance motor, 93 octane is best, you won't always here the detonation, but it doesn't mean its not happening.. If you move up time from stock, 93 is best.

I completely disagree here. There is absolutely no benefit from running a higher octane fuel than you need. You are just throwing money away.

If you want a good explanation of why, Chris does a great job of explaining it here

Stang_ROTY · 08-26-2004, 11:13 AM

Where's Chris been? Haven't heard from him in a while...

Quote:

Originally posted by Hethj7
I completely disagree here. There is absolutely no benefit from running a higher octane fuel than you need. You are just throwing money away.

If you want a good explanation of why, Chris does a great job of explaining it here

08-23-2004, 11:57 AM	#1
titanium92 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 38	Timing 14* or 16* Hi I am still a newbie but my question is what will adjusting my timing due for my almost stock mustang? What will I see if I do it?

08-23-2004, 12:10 PM	#2
GhOsT6_9 Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 233	Gives you a boost in performance, just make sure you run premium fuel. I'd say go with 14, 16 might be too much. __________________ 1989 Mustang LX Notch 5.0L, T-5, 1969 351W heads, cut & welded stock plenum, F-303 cam, Mac 1 5/8 full length headers, Cat'd H-pipe, 3.73 gears, Underdrives, SSM lift bars, E-Fan, 3G Alt, Custom Chip, Autometer gauges, Weld Draglite wheels , M/T ET Street Radials Best 1/4: 13.33@101.53MPH

08-23-2004, 02:48 PM	#3
Red5Ltr Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 50	I have a 93' and I have the timing set at 15* running super unleaded and no issues. __________________ 93' Mustang w/ a stock 302 block, E303 cam, 3.73 gears, Pulleys, Edelbrock Performer upper and lower, Edlebrock 70mm throttle body, gt40 heads 1.94 intake, 1.60 exhaust, 1.6 roller rockers, American Thunder exhaust, BBK cold air intake, BBK off road H-pipe, BBK 1-5/8 shorties, AOD with shift kit and 15* timing.

08-23-2004, 03:53 PM	#6
GhettoPop Gimme a Drink! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 694	i bumped mine to 14* and use 87 octane. no pinging or problems. __________________ 1990 GT,stock T-5,K&N w/o air silencer,March underdrives,FMS wires,timing@14*,PA Perf 130amp alt,Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter,Steeda adj quadrant/clutch cable/firewall adj,Centerforce II clutch,o/r x-pipe,Magnaflow SS catback,g-load brace, subframes,Bilstein struts/shocks,Autometer gauges, 136k and running strong!

08-23-2004, 05:05 PM	#7
Scrapla Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 532	Mine is also at 14* and I run 89octane and have no problems on an almost stock motor. __________________ 90gt 347 and some bolt ons :-) RICE HATERS MEMBER #73

08-23-2004, 02:54 PM	#4
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	14 to 15 degrees is great and again Super unleaded... Todays quality fuel sucks so super is the only way to go, 93 preferably 94...

08-23-2004, 03:21 PM	#5
titanium92 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 38	Thanks for the feedback, now in which direction cw or ccw do I turn? or is there only one way? Is it hard to do? How much is involved to adjust it? Thanks again.

08-23-2004, 06:34 PM	#8
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	To advance is counter clockwise, and make sure you use a good timing light.. Its not hard to do, just make sure you set it correctly.

08-24-2004, 09:22 AM	#9
Falcons Talon T.P.M. President Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brownsville Posts: 265	16* 92 octane no problems. Make sure you remove the spout connecter. __________________

08-24-2004, 10:27 AM	#10
GhettoPop Gimme a Drink! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 694	so why do some insist on 93 octane when u bump up the timing? i always figured that, on average a stock stang will run good @ 13-14 w/ 87 octane. bumping it up to just say 15* may require 93 octane to avoid pinging. i always thought u should set timing as high as u can, once u hear pinging, drop down a degree or two. run 87, if it runs fine, stick w/ it. i also understand that every car is different right out of the factory. what do u all think? agree/disagree? __________________ 1990 GT,stock T-5,K&N w/o air silencer,March underdrives,FMS wires,timing@14*,PA Perf 130amp alt,Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter,Steeda adj quadrant/clutch cable/firewall adj,Centerforce II clutch,o/r x-pipe,Magnaflow SS catback,g-load brace, subframes,Bilstein struts/shocks,Autometer gauges, 136k and running strong!

08-24-2004, 11:39 AM	#11
jimdrechsler Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 167	im at about 16, but hard to tell exactly. i also a 75 shot of nitrous. i wonder if i should retard mine a bit. __________________ OLD CAR-89 lx convt- Flowtech II headers, H-pipe, 2 1/2 "flowmasters- pulleys- 3.73's, ripper shifter- ram air- Best 1/4 mile time- a measley 14.2 at 98.6 PRESENT CAR- 90 LX BBK long tubes, h-pipe with cats, flowmasters. 3.55's holley systemax II kit- 70 mm TB 30#injectors, jacobs ignition, black magic fan, 180 thermostat, 75 shot of NOS- NITTO DR'S STREET TIRE BEST RUNS 1/4 mile13.2 @112 w/ NOS 2.17 60' 13.5 @103 2.1 60' *new time with Dr's 12.8 at 111 w/ 75 shot

08-24-2004, 03:11 PM	#13
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	On any High Performance motor, 93 octane is best, you won't always here the detonation, but it doesn't mean its not happening.. If you move up time from stock, 93 is best.

08-24-2004, 03:24 PM	#14
GhettoPop Gimme a Drink! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 694	with 93 octane costing approx 20 cents more than 87, do the math. 12,000 miles/yr @ 13mph = 923 gallons x 20 cents = $185/yr extra I'll use 87, save the money, and rebuild/replace the engine when it dies using the money I saved, its cost effective and I see NO performance gain using 93 on a stock motor. that is why FORD did not recommend or require 89 or 93. Keep in mind this is on a stock daily driver. If your a track guy, or highly modified, thats a different story. __________________ 1990 GT,stock T-5,K&N w/o air silencer,March underdrives,FMS wires,timing@14*,PA Perf 130amp alt,Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter,Steeda adj quadrant/clutch cable/firewall adj,Centerforce II clutch,o/r x-pipe,Magnaflow SS catback,g-load brace, subframes,Bilstein struts/shocks,Autometer gauges, 136k and running strong!

08-24-2004, 03:25 PM	#15
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	well if you do the math, 185 dollars a year savings Vs. 1500 dollars plus on a motor rebiuld speaks for itself.. its what maybe 2 bucks more a the pump for a fill up? You get better performance plus no worries...

08-24-2004, 04:09 PM	#16
Falcons Talon T.P.M. President Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brownsville Posts: 265	$185 a year extra? Is that it? Hell, I just won't super size the meals at dinner once a week and I should break even. __________________

08-24-2004, 05:06 PM	#17
jimdrechsler Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 167	thats about 2 rounds of golf with beers here! no biggie! __________________ OLD CAR-89 lx convt- Flowtech II headers, H-pipe, 2 1/2 "flowmasters- pulleys- 3.73's, ripper shifter- ram air- Best 1/4 mile time- a measley 14.2 at 98.6 PRESENT CAR- 90 LX BBK long tubes, h-pipe with cats, flowmasters. 3.55's holley systemax II kit- 70 mm TB 30#injectors, jacobs ignition, black magic fan, 180 thermostat, 75 shot of NOS- NITTO DR'S STREET TIRE BEST RUNS 1/4 mile13.2 @112 w/ NOS 2.17 60' 13.5 @103 2.1 60' *new time with Dr's 12.8 at 111 w/ 75 shot

08-24-2004, 09:30 PM	#18
tmoss Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Saint Louis, MO Posts: 634	I am running 16* on 89 octane with no detonation. __________________ Tom (Torque) Moss 88Gt 5spd Vert, FLowmaster Catbacks, stock cam advanced 4° @ 108.5° ICL, NMRA prepped GT40P heads 1.85/1.55 valves and 1.7 rockers, MAC P headers Jet-Hot coated, 97 Exlporer intake (ported lower), TB and injectors. 277RWHP/330RWTQ (SAE). http://www.fastlanecars.com/

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