Pick an intake for a street driven 410 stroker - Poll inside

2FastLX · 12-19-2001, 12:59 AM

What intake should I go with? I want to keep the RPM's down to a dependable level, and the cam will be custom ground to compliment the 3.73 gears I have and whatever intake I come up with. I'm trying to decide between the Trick Flow 5.8 version, The Victor 5.8, and the Holley SysteMax (if they have this for the 5.8 yet).

Edelbrock claims the Victor 5.8 has a range of 4000-7500 RPMs.

The Trick Flow 5.8 intake I believe has a range from 2500-7000. I can't really remember and Trick Flow doesn't offer this info on their web site, but I am pretty sure it was a tad lower range than the Victor 5.8.

The Holley Systemax claims to be between 2000-6500 RPMs for their 5.0 version.

I'm leaning towards the Victor 5.8.
What do you think?

lx mike · 12-20-2001, 07:30 PM

aren't most of those intake made for the 351 displacement engine?? your gonna be 57 inches bigger therefore pulling the r.p.m range down. how high do you want to turn it??

2FastLX · 12-21-2001, 12:35 AM

I never thought of it that way. Good call.

I don't want to turn it higher than 6500 at the most. This engine has to be dependable because I will more than likely not be able to leave it at home unless there is bad weather. This car is definitely going to be fun to drive

2FastLX · 12-21-2001, 04:28 PM

What "other" intakes could I benefit from?

Mach 1 · 12-23-2001, 07:57 AM

Holley doenst have a 5.8 manifold, so you can eliminate them.

I still like the performer 5.8 lower with the performer rpm upper for a mid range RPM , reliable, daily driven tourqe monster.

The victor seems to be more for track use than street use. Its RPM range doesnt start until 4000! Might be a little high for a street car.

mustangman65_79 · 12-23-2001, 08:28 AM

I don't know how sporty this is, but it could be cheep. My Bronco has a dual, looks to be a 35mm(don't quote me) air intake upper, with nice lower intake. It's for a 5.8. Like I said, don't know how good it would be, but it might work, plus it would be a lot cheeper. Go find it at a junk yard. I've looked at the same thing on the '89 mustangs, and mine looks a lot bigger.

2FastLX · 12-24-2001, 05:01 AM

Mach 1, I called my engine builder about intakes the other day and ran the post lx mike made in this topic about those intakes having an RPM range based on a 351ci engine. I asked him if he thought that a 410ci would lower that RPM range down much. He said it would.

Plus, I was thinking since I will have a tall enough hood I can always go with an intake spacer if needed. We'll have it on the dyno for awhile so if it looks like the peak HP is too high in the RPM range I'll try a spacer to see what that does. I'm sure with a little tweaking we can get the peak RPM range of 6500 to work good with the Victor intake.

Oh yeah, I've been in contact with Edelbrock too just to get their thoughts on this. I just sent them the new buildup info which changed a little from the initial email I sent them. We'll see what they say.

Mach 1 · 12-24-2001, 10:07 AM

I apologize, my edelbrock catalog is outdated, and I wasnt informed as to the new 5.8 intake. I think your on the right track, good luck.

2FastLX · 12-24-2001, 10:09 AM

Oh yeah. Mach 1, that may be a good idea you have there with using the Performer RPM upper.

I know it's silly, but my brother has the Victor 5.0 on his car using stock ported E7 heads. He has no low end at all even with 4.30:1 gears, but the car is very streetable and runs 12's with a 125hp shot. He definately needs some heads, but it's working for him somewhat. Yeah, something other than the Victor would work better, but he got the intake for a steel and has plans on running 9's eventually.

Mach 1 · 12-24-2001, 11:22 AM

lol..no low end at all and very streetable sounds a little contradictory.

2FastLX · 12-24-2001, 11:49 AM

Well that depends on how you drive I would guess. It takes like a stock Mustang, but once you hit mid range it has a lot of power.

8850 · 12-24-2001, 04:46 PM

I don't know how the 5.8 compares to the Victor 5.0 but I can say that I make lots of low end toque. Take a look at my dyno sheet.

http://www.fbody.com/members/LarryS/mustII08-13-01.jpg

Stang Runner · 12-24-2001, 05:05 PM

Holy Crap!!!525lb-ft at 2800!!!! That is N/A????? with a good set of TFS TW I see Nice CFM on it BUT WOW 525!!!!!

8850 · 12-24-2001, 05:15 PM

If you take a look at this chart you will see where my engine peaked at just over 530 pounds of torque.

http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/larrydyno3.JPG

Not too bad for a 9.9:a compression ratio, n/a engine. But my hp is not very good. Torque is what gets me that 1.394 60' though!

Mach 1 · 12-24-2001, 05:39 PM

what intake are u running?

2FastLX · 12-24-2001, 06:09 PM

All that power with a 347?? Not bad at all.

And your peak HP comes in at 5800 RPM while the torque is at 2800. That's what I am shooting for. Gimme power down low to get off the line without the need to rev it to the moon to reach peak HP and that should make for one mean @ss street car.

Mach 1, he's using a ported Victor 5.0 which does have a bit lower RPM range than the Victor 5.8, but I think with the added cubes I'll need to fill I'll be running one of the best intakes I could pick for my combo.

I was considering a Box upper atop a Victor lower. I could make a box at work, but figuring out the plenum volume and runner length would be a pain.

8850 · 12-24-2001, 06:27 PM

Victor 5.0 ported by me. The one that everybody says doesn't make torque below 4000 rpm. Haha!

2FastLX · 12-25-2001, 12:43 PM

8850 - Your HP does look a bit low for making that much torque down low. I'd hope to have quite a bit more HP than that with all the money I am pouring into this thing.

The votes are tied for the Victor 5.8, the Trick Flow R, and "Other", but nobody except Mach 1 has mentioned any "Other" intakes to consider. Come on guys, gimme some ideas here.

Oh yeah, mustangman65_79 mentioned the truck lower. Rick 91GT said he found a truck lower that will work with the Holley upper. Maybe that's the one mustangman65_79 is referring to. That brings the Holley back into the running.

What year do I look for to find this intake?

Thanks.

bigredstang · 12-26-2001, 09:13 AM

I was thinking of using the Super Spyder. I have seen it advertised in a couple of magazines but I dont remember who. It is basically a converted carb manifold. I am trying for a 427 NA for my 95. Let me know what you find out.

Greg

Stang Runner · 12-26-2001, 10:07 AM

MMMMMM...... am I not a person...............I thought the Spyder is what I talk to you about..........

LOL on of the big reson I like it, give you very ez access to the fuel rail and the Injectors with out moving any thing at all But it is your call And the Victor does look like it can be mabe to do the power ban you want.

View Poll Results: Which intake?
Victor 5.8L	5	26.32%
Trick Flow 5.8L	6	31.58%
Holley SysteMax (if this is available)	2	10.53%
Other	6	31.58%
Voters: 19. This poll is closed

12-19-2001, 12:59 AM	#1
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Pick an intake for a street driven 410 stroker - Poll inside What intake should I go with? I want to keep the RPM's down to a dependable level, and the cam will be custom ground to compliment the 3.73 gears I have and whatever intake I come up with. I'm trying to decide between the Trick Flow 5.8 version, The Victor 5.8, and the Holley SysteMax (if they have this for the 5.8 yet). Edelbrock claims the Victor 5.8 has a range of 4000-7500 RPMs. The Trick Flow 5.8 intake I believe has a range from 2500-7000. I can't really remember and Trick Flow doesn't offer this info on their web site, but I am pretty sure it was a tad lower range than the Victor 5.8. The Holley Systemax claims to be between 2000-6500 RPMs for their 5.0 version. I'm leaning towards the Victor 5.8. What do you think? __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-20-2001, 07:30 PM	#2
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	aren't most of those intake made for the 351 displacement engine?? your gonna be 57 inches bigger therefore pulling the r.p.m range down. how high do you want to turn it?? __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #101

12-21-2001, 12:35 AM	#3
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	I never thought of it that way. Good call. I don't want to turn it higher than 6500 at the most. This engine has to be dependable because I will more than likely not be able to leave it at home unless there is bad weather. This car is definitely going to be fun to drive __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-21-2001, 04:28 PM	#4
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	What "other" intakes could I benefit from? __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-23-2001, 07:57 AM	#5
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Holley doenst have a 5.8 manifold, so you can eliminate them. I still like the performer 5.8 lower with the performer rpm upper for a mid range RPM , reliable, daily driven tourqe monster. The victor seems to be more for track use than street use. Its RPM range doesnt start until 4000! Might be a little high for a street car. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

12-23-2001, 08:28 AM	#6
mustangman65_79 My poor 79 RIP Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Suisun City, Posts: 2,320	I don't know how sporty this is, but it could be cheep. My Bronco has a dual, looks to be a 35mm(don't quote me) air intake upper, with nice lower intake. It's for a 5.8. Like I said, don't know how good it would be, but it might work, plus it would be a lot cheeper. Go find it at a junk yard. I've looked at the same thing on the '89 mustangs, and mine looks a lot bigger. __________________ '84 mustang GT turbo '85 LTD '89 Camaro Irocz z28 '94 Lightning '96 Trans am

12-24-2001, 05:01 AM	#7
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Mach 1, I called my engine builder about intakes the other day and ran the post lx mike made in this topic about those intakes having an RPM range based on a 351ci engine. I asked him if he thought that a 410ci would lower that RPM range down much. He said it would. Plus, I was thinking since I will have a tall enough hood I can always go with an intake spacer if needed. We'll have it on the dyno for awhile so if it looks like the peak HP is too high in the RPM range I'll try a spacer to see what that does. I'm sure with a little tweaking we can get the peak RPM range of 6500 to work good with the Victor intake. Oh yeah, I've been in contact with Edelbrock too just to get their thoughts on this. I just sent them the new buildup info which changed a little from the initial email I sent them. We'll see what they say. __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-24-2001, 10:07 AM	#8
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	I apologize, my edelbrock catalog is outdated, and I wasnt informed as to the new 5.8 intake. I think your on the right track, good luck. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

12-24-2001, 10:09 AM	#9
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Oh yeah. Mach 1, that may be a good idea you have there with using the Performer RPM upper. I know it's silly, but my brother has the Victor 5.0 on his car using stock ported E7 heads. He has no low end at all even with 4.30:1 gears, but the car is very streetable and runs 12's with a 125hp shot. He definately needs some heads, but it's working for him somewhat. Yeah, something other than the Victor would work better, but he got the intake for a steel and has plans on running 9's eventually.

12-24-2001, 11:22 AM	#10
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	lol..no low end at all and very streetable sounds a little contradictory. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

12-24-2001, 11:49 AM	#11
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	Well that depends on how you drive I would guess. It takes like a stock Mustang, but once you hit mid range it has a lot of power. __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-24-2001, 04:46 PM	#12
8850 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Sugarland, TX USA Posts: 161	I don't know how the 5.8 compares to the Victor 5.0 but I can say that I make lots of low end toque. Take a look at my dyno sheet. http://www.fbody.com/members/LarryS/mustII08-13-01.jpg __________________ 88 347, Twisted wedge heads,Comp Cams 224/230 cam, 1/4=10.324 @ 126.95, 60' = 1.394 http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/larrysample.htm

12-24-2001, 05:05 PM	#13
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Holy Crap!!!525lb-ft at 2800!!!! That is N/A????? with a good set of TFS TW I see Nice CFM on it BUT WOW 525!!!!! __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

12-24-2001, 05:15 PM	#14
8850 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Sugarland, TX USA Posts: 161	If you take a look at this chart you will see where my engine peaked at just over 530 pounds of torque. http://xs-fx.com/raughammer/larrydyno3.JPG Not too bad for a 9.9:a compression ratio, n/a engine. But my hp is not very good. Torque is what gets me that 1.394 60' though!

12-24-2001, 05:39 PM	#15
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	what intake are u running? __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

12-24-2001, 06:09 PM	#16
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	All that power with a 347?? Not bad at all. And your peak HP comes in at 5800 RPM while the torque is at 2800. That's what I am shooting for. Gimme power down low to get off the line without the need to rev it to the moon to reach peak HP and that should make for one mean @ss street car. Mach 1, he's using a ported Victor 5.0 which does have a bit lower RPM range than the Victor 5.8, but I think with the added cubes I'll need to fill I'll be running one of the best intakes I could pick for my combo. I was considering a Box upper atop a Victor lower. I could make a box at work, but figuring out the plenum volume and runner length would be a pain. __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-24-2001, 06:27 PM	#17
8850 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Sugarland, TX USA Posts: 161	Victor 5.0 ported by me. The one that everybody says doesn't make torque below 4000 rpm. Haha!

12-25-2001, 12:43 PM	#18
2FastLX The Photoshop Guru Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Mecca, Indiana Posts: 1,419	8850 - Your HP does look a bit low for making that much torque down low. I'd hope to have quite a bit more HP than that with all the money I am pouring into this thing. The votes are tied for the Victor 5.8, the Trick Flow R, and "Other", but nobody except Mach 1 has mentioned any "Other" intakes to consider. Come on guys, gimme some ideas here. Oh yeah, mustangman65_79 mentioned the truck lower. Rick 91GT said he found a truck lower that will work with the Holley upper. Maybe that's the one mustangman65_79 is referring to. That brings the Holley back into the running. What year do I look for to find this intake? Thanks. __________________ Project: 1988 Coupe - EFI 5.8L Twin Turbo with Victor intake, Canfield heads, F303 cam, March aluminum underdrive pulleys, TKO (or T56 if funds permit), PBR twin piston calipers and 13" rotors up front, 94 Cobra rear calipers and 12" rotors on the rear, 3.73's, Griggs K-member, tubular front control arms, torque arm and panhard bar, polished 99 Cobra wheels. "The GR-40 kit installation is now complete, and the humble Fox-chassis car will now out-corner and out-stop a ZR-1 or a Viper, and support massive horsepower additions with perfect balance." Griggs Racing ICQ# 42269241

12-26-2001, 09:13 AM	#19
bigredstang Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: lincoln, NE Posts: 80	I was thinking of using the Super Spyder. I have seen it advertised in a couple of magazines but I dont remember who. It is basically a converted carb manifold. I am trying for a 427 NA for my 95. Let me know what you find out. Greg

12-26-2001, 10:07 AM	#20
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	MMMMMM...... am I not a person...............I thought the Spyder is what I talk to you about.......... LOL on of the big reson I like it, give you very ez access to the fuel rail and the Injectors with out moving any thing at all But it is your call And the Victor does look like it can be mabe to do the power ban you want. __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

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