EASY WAY TO DROP A TENTH???????? Thats All I Need To Get Into The 14s.....

[BowTie Eater 5 Liter]

R/T... .923
60.... 2.307
330... 6.373
1/8... 9.740
MPH... 73.46
1000.. 12.618
1/4... 15.068
MPH... 92.17

Thats With a Bad Spin, 2500rpm Slip & No Powershifting.

I Will Be Racing Next Friday & Saturday, So I NEED To Break 14s.

I Have New Tires In My Room, But I Dont Know If They Will Do Much More For Traction.

Also, I Have BBK 1-5/8" Equal Legnth Shortys In My Room, But Am Waiting To Do My Whole Exhaust At Once.

Any Little Driving Tips, Or Any Other Tips???

Thanks.


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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
3.08's, No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe, K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box), Removed Air SilencerMy Stang
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[Rick 91GT]

If you are running Street Radials drive off the line DO NOT LAUNCH, go out of the hole easy then roll into the throttle. A set of DOT's like ET STREETS will get you there as well. I went 13.20's on radials, then I went 12.87 on the DOT's with the stock motor.

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[Stangin 88]

Are you icing your intake down? If not, throw a couple of ice bags on your intake and throttle body and let it get real cold. That will do it!

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[BowTie Eater 5 Liter]

i didnt ice my intake down, ill try that for next week.

i cooked my dinner on my intake though!!

i am going to the parts shop, and looking for some cheap mods..... maby underdrives??
Would That lower my time .1??

thanks.


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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
3.08's, No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe, K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box), Removed Air SilencerMy Stang
My Site (Not Done Yet)

[stanger8172]

1.What's timing set at?

2.Did you pull the front swaybar?

3.Make some home-made ram air. Just get an air conditioning/heating duct and some tubing and route it up the fenderwall to the airbox.

4.Pull the front seat out. It's easy on mine.

5.What kind of fuel pressure do you have? Try unplugging the vacuum line to the fuel pressure regulator for more pressure.

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[Mr 5 0]

That 2.30 60 foot time is killing you.
A better launch will knock off a tenth, easily. Practice, practice, practice.
Powershifting is also worth a tenth but risky if you mess up. Just watch the tach, shift hard and fast @ 5200 - 5400 RPM on a stock 5.0. A good launch and correct shift points should have you in the 14's with ease.

More:

Try advancing the timing to 14 or 16 degrees.
Free and can be worth a tenth. Easily reversed, too. Use 92 octane (or higher) gas.

Do an oil change and use synthetic oil.
Also worth a tenth.

Like Stangin88 mentioned; A cooled (iced) intake is worth a tenth, too.

Now you're in the mid 14's. See, this was easy! That'll be $10. please.

[fiveohpatrol]

no one mentioned airing up the front tires, air them up to 45-50psi, but dont forget to take them back down after you leave the track, this will reduce the friction between the tires and the ground and thus make them easier to move, every little bit helps
also if your REALLY desperate (like the time a ran a 14.02 and BADLY wanted to break into 13's) you can pull your serpentine belt, but take the belt and tool that you use to take it off with you so you can put in back on AS SOON as you get off the track, it will easily give you 1-2 tenths, i did it and hit a 13.9X on a worse 60ft than the 14.02, so i know it works pretty well but i wouldnt reccomend you doing it very often
good luck, hury up and get rid of those gears and shoot for 13's!!

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[Stang Runner]

I Stripped the car down and got aleats .1 better

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[undrdog]

You've gotten some great advice here. As mentioned don't try to launch out on street tires, drive it out. With street tires I get the best 60' with a SLIGHT bog while slipping the clutch.

With that MPH, 1/8 and 1/4 , it looks to me like you are shifting too early. If I shift at 5K MPH is like 95-96, if raised to 5.5K it goes to 97-98. This is with the stock tach.

Don't take this the wrong way but IMHO you could easily go a tenth (or more) faster by modifying your driving style. It's also cheaper than buying a another part.

Good Luck!
PS: GEARS!

[dinomite]

simply not spinning will do it, most definently. if you really did have bad spin, i bet you can pick up .2-.3 if you don't spin.

[BowTie Eater 5 Liter]

Well, I Shift At 5000rpm every gear on the stock tach, but will my 175xxx km engine hold up with 5200-5500 rpm shifts???

I Will Slip the clutch from about 1800rpm, Sift at 5200-5300rpm and see if that makes a difference.

i spun pretty bad every run i made, but that was with my 2500rpm slip.

i hope to get 14s next friday

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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
3.08's, No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe, K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box), Removed Air SilencerMy Stang
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[Unit 5302]

Take it to 5500rpm by the stock tach and see what happens.

I shift my 250,000km car at 5800rpm on the stock tach.

[Killercanary]

Originally posted by undrdog:

With that MPH, 1/8 and 1/4 , it looks to me like you are shifting too early. If I shift at 5K MPH is like 95-96, if raised to 5.5K it goes to 97-98. This is with the stock tach.

Don't take this the wrong way but IMHO you could easily go a tenth (or more) faster by modifying your driving style. It's also cheaper than buying a another part.

Good Luck!
PS: GEARS!

From our experiences, I don't agree with shifting it any higher than 5250rpms. Now it might work for UNDRDOG, but on my 95GT, and my dad's 91GT, we both turned 1-2mph slower shifting at 5500 or higher when our cars were stock. But, like UNDRDOG said, you've received so good advise, put all them together, and you're there. And as was already said, for now, till you get more practice, launch like you're leaving a stop light.
P.S.- When I was running 15.02 at 91.5mph in my car, bumping the timing from 10 to 13* netted me three 14.96's in a row, so this alone given everything else (like the weather) is the same, will net you you're 14 second slip

UNDRDOG- Do you race at Keystone? I'm there every week in my 95 canary yellow convertible (though I haven't been running for a few eeeks due to a T-5 that's on its last leg), my dad is there in his white 12 second 91GT, and my mom spectates in her '01 BULLITT. If you see us there come on over and say hello!



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BEST MPH: 106.85
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[dinomite]

he SHOULD try different shift points, as the stock tach is notoriously off, so shifting at 5500 could be 5200 or 5800 as well. short of getting a new tach, the only way i can think of to find out how much yours is off is to run it to the limiter.........(don't do that)

[undrdog]

Something that I forgot about is that my eng. is not 100% stock,although it's not far from it. It's got an edelbrock performer intake and 1.7RR's and upgraded valve springs, UD crank pulley and 3.55 gears. Everything else is stock. (hedrs.,mass air,TB,etc.) Even though you are stock try going a little higher (5200-5300). Or if you can get a good tach and check it against the stock one.

Do a compression check and/or leakdown test to see what condition everything is in, if everything checks out OK I wouldn't worry about it.

The only reason I suggested working on driving is that from what I've seen alot people think they drive well when they really don't. Then they think it's the car so they throw money at it and get mad because their car isn't "running like it should". My first run at the track was 15.2 at 93 mph. After some practice with NO changes to the car I've run a best of 14.06 at 99 mph. My goal this year is 13.xx, with good tires I believe it's possible.

I'm no expert by any means, just trying to help.

Killercanary, yes, I go to keystone, usually on thurs. for test and tune. I think I've seen your car there before. Is your dads car all white with M/T's and A/C delete? My car is a dark blue '90 GT. I'll probably be there next week so I'll look for you. Good luck with your trans.

[Killercanary]

Originally posted by undrdog:

Killercanary, yes, I go to keystone, usually on thurs. for test and tune. I think I've seen your car there before. Is your dads car all white with M/T's and A/C delete? My car is a dark blue '90 GT. I'll probably be there next week so I'll look for you. Good luck with your trans.

Yes, that's my dad's car. He went 12.7 at 107 last week. The temps look good this thursday, but there's a chance of rain. If it doesn't rain, I plan to run my car even with the tranny problems. After driving my mom's BULLITT last week, I got that urge to race again, so I'm just hoping it stays together. I'll see you there.



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1995 NA GT CONVERTIBLE
BEST ET: 12.92
BEST MPH: 106.85
AFR's, FTI cam, edelbrock intake, EEC TUNER and lots more.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary

All good advice.....+ I'd let the air out of your rear tires at the track - I run about 20 psi in my rear and I'm able to launch nice and hard. Good luck, I don't think you'll have a problem w/ getting mid-high 14's.

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[BowTie Eater 5 Liter]

oh ya, i was shifting into 4th with my 308 gears & 26"tires at 5k according to the stock tach.

i was told by unit that i should keep it in 3rd.

how much should i improve by keepong it in 3rd???

thanks

[Yan88gt]

Stay in third and go get that 14 second timeslip. Good lock!

[Killercanary]

Yes, if you do in fact have 3.08's, you should be crossing in 3rd. Right there in eliminating that shift, you'll have your 14 second pass with no problem. Combine all the above and you may see a 14.8 or so when its all said and done.

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1995 NA GT CONVERTIBLE
BEST ET: 12.92
BEST MPH: 106.85
AFR's, FTI cam, edelbrock intake, EEC TUNER and lots more.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary