People who are in the 12's please respond!

1jimmy__d · 12-26-2002, 03:40 PM

OK, I own an 89 lx vert. stock motor, all the bolt-ons and nitrous. The motor leaks oil from the rear main seal i believe and the car just seems slower to me after many hard miles on it (close to 90000). What set up will get me in the mid 12's (without nitrous)? I am looking for what motor you have, heads, intake, and cam. I want to keep it EFI as well. If you have places as to where you purchased your parts, that would be helpful as well. I want to start making some purchases soon and stay close to around 3 grand! Thanks for all replies!

sn95gt19 · 12-26-2002, 04:24 PM

trick flow heads, performer rpm intake, 30# injectors, 255 fuel pump, headers, h pipe, throttle body, mass air, k&n, i think you might have to go over your limit of 3000, ifyou want to stay on motor. your best bet would be go 347 or 331 with a good set of heads

chris91LX · 12-26-2002, 04:39 PM

Alum heads (Edel, TFS or AFR), RPM or Trick Flow intake, TFS Stage 1 (or equivalent) cam, Long Tube headers, a good tune and slicks. That's the simple recipe, the rest of it is weight and putting the power to the ground.

I bought my Edelbrock 6032's from Summit last year during the 10% off deal they had (just like this year), and when I get my RPM intake (replacing the ported Cobra I ran last year), lose a little weight and learn how to drive I should be easily in the mid 12's on motor.

dragstang86 · 12-26-2002, 09:46 PM

Im in the high 12's with the combo in my sig. That is without the AFR's....with the AFR's im looking for low 12's.....mid 11's once get my rpm2 intake and FTI cam on the motor. After that its time for some boost

fiveohpatrol · 12-26-2002, 11:55 PM

You guys crack me up.

If you only want 12's, you don't need anything fancy at all. You just need to drive it well, and hook up the power that you have.

You didn't mention if you have a T-5 or an AOD (manual or auto).

The biggest necessity is a pair of slicks. IMO its a waste of money for these high dollar engine combo's just to go spinning the power away down the track with street tires or even drag radials. Slicks are the only way to fly.

I went a best of 12.85@106 at a local slow track (always 3 tenths slower than another one I visit). The weather wasnt that great, I wasnt even power shifting, and the 60ft was only in the mid 1.7's, so it didnt hook THAT great.
This was with ported stock heads (free + tools/gaskets), a B303 cam ($100 on ebay), explorer intake ($150 from MW classifieds), and all the other usual boltons.

The car had atleast a 12.70 in it, if not more. But that combo is now gone, so we'll never know for sure

BUT if you want more out of the car, then I'd suggest a set of AFR165's, a custom cam, and a holley or performer RPM intake.

good luck with whatever you decide.
-drew

Coupe50h · 12-27-2002, 01:55 AM

I agree fiveohpatrol, i run e.t. streets and nothing less, also, with some porting on the exhaust side of my e7's, i could probaly see high 12's, but im not going to bother, i have my eye on some brodix, or edel aluminumheads, that ought to do the trick, also im slow on the 60' with these highway gears.

88workcar · 12-27-2002, 09:19 AM

1 jimmy D , you have a 12 sec car. Just like five oh patrol said, traction! You need suspension. 90/10s, 4 cyl springs (all 4), Poly bushings in the rear control arms, Batt in back, air bags, under drive crank pully, short belt, 26 x 10 slicks. $100.00 set of clutchs in the rear.
You goals will come with ease. You motor in my car will run twelves all day, and 11s with the shot on it.

Dark_5.0 · 12-27-2002, 11:36 AM

I seriouly doubt if his car is gonna run 12's with a 105 trap speed with the nitrous.

Its alot harder to get 12's out of a vert. The first thing you need to work on is suspension like 88workcar said.

Sub-frame connectors are a must. They helped my vert alot.

You could get some ported E7's and an explorer intake for about $400.00 total off of E-bay. That would help you alot.

1jimmy__d · 12-29-2002, 04:22 PM

thanks for all replies- MY suspension is totally stock. I have a guy that will weld under the seats and the length of the car to stiffen it up (seeing how it is a vert) for 250 bucks. I was also thinking of selling the vert and buying a hardtop and then doing the motor on it. Istill dont know. Do you think i should go with a 306 or 347 stroker for the block. I dont think the bottom end would hold with new heads on it. I was thinking of going with the AFR 165 (58cc?) aluminum heads, edelbrock performaer RPM intake, and a cam from somewhere. Am I crazy for thinking I am going to spend 3 grand? Can I run my headers with this new set up or do I have to buy new ones? Thanks again for all replies.

AND I plan on buying some cheatrer slicks so I can drive it daily in the summer!
The car is a 5 speed!

Coupe50h · 12-29-2002, 06:56 PM

yes you can use your headers, btw, are you looking to keep it real streetable? if not, a 10:5:1 347 with the heads/cam, would be in low 12's, probaly high 12's on radials, maybe 109 mph in a vert.

1jimmy__d · 12-29-2002, 07:15 PM

i wan tto keep it pretty streetable. I plan on driving it daily in the summer (although I wont have to), I have another car I can drive as well. Looks like I need a new fuel pump and TB as well. THats a few more hundred bones there! Is it stupid to do all this a a vert? Im not sure what to do- i just want to kick my firends 98 Z28 *** which I already do when my NOS is working correctly!

12-26-2002, 03:40 PM	#1
1jimmy__d Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 299	People who are in the 12's please respond! OK, I own an 89 lx vert. stock motor, all the bolt-ons and nitrous. The motor leaks oil from the rear main seal i believe and the car just seems slower to me after many hard miles on it (close to 90000). What set up will get me in the mid 12's (without nitrous)? I am looking for what motor you have, heads, intake, and cam. I want to keep it EFI as well. If you have places as to where you purchased your parts, that would be helpful as well. I want to start making some purchases soon and stay close to around 3 grand! Thanks for all replies! __________________ 90 lx hatch, holley systemax II kit, rebuilt 302, BBK 155 lph fuel pump, pro M bullet mass meter wtih BBk cold air intake, 30 # injectors, 70 mm TB, jacobs ignition system, edelbrock water pump, BBk longtube headers with h-pipe, flowmasters, b&m ripper shifter, 3.55 gears, Proform electric fan, subframe connectors/removed smog pump and ac! 75 shot of nitrous! 13.2 at 112 1/4 mile- no traction!

12-26-2002, 04:24 PM	#2
sn95gt19 motors done......woohooo Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 799	trick flow heads, performer rpm intake, 30# injectors, 255 fuel pump, headers, h pipe, throttle body, mass air, k&n, i think you might have to go over your limit of 3000, ifyou want to stay on motor. your best bet would be go 347 or 331 with a good set of heads __________________ 95gt lazer red (98 cobra clone) Rice Haters Club Member #116

12-26-2002, 04:39 PM	#3
chris91LX Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Suburban Chicago, Hanover Park Posts: 695	Alum heads (Edel, TFS or AFR), RPM or Trick Flow intake, TFS Stage 1 (or equivalent) cam, Long Tube headers, a good tune and slicks. That's the simple recipe, the rest of it is weight and putting the power to the ground. I bought my Edelbrock 6032's from Summit last year during the 10% off deal they had (just like this year), and when I get my RPM intake (replacing the ported Cobra I ran last year), lose a little weight and learn how to drive I should be easily in the mid 12's on motor. __________________ My Ford Club http://www.midwestfords.org/ Best time N/A 12.9 @ 107 1.711 60' 125 shot - 12.04 @ 113 1.59 60'

12-26-2002, 09:46 PM	#4
dragstang86 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: baltimore, md Posts: 220	Im in the high 12's with the combo in my sig. That is without the AFR's....with the AFR's im looking for low 12's.....mid 11's once get my rpm2 intake and FTI cam on the motor. After that its time for some boost __________________ 90 LX Hatchback 306, AFR 165's 58cc, E303, 1.6 roller rockers, 70mm throttle body, cobra intake, bbk fenderwell, bbk longtubes, x-pipe, flowmasters, pullies, msd 6a, crane ps-92, stock MAF sensor, electric fan, No AC, No air pump, flaming river quick ratio rack C-4, 3500 stall, 373's, aluminum driveshaft SSM Lift bars, , sub frame connectors, strut tower brace 12.57 @105.12mph w/ 1.686 60ft before bbk longtubes (with equal shorties) ----------------------------------------- 86 tube chassis coupe - the trailor queen

12-26-2002, 11:55 PM	#5
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	You guys crack me up. If you only want 12's, you don't need anything fancy at all. You just need to drive it well, and hook up the power that you have. You didn't mention if you have a T-5 or an AOD (manual or auto). The biggest necessity is a pair of slicks. IMO its a waste of money for these high dollar engine combo's just to go spinning the power away down the track with street tires or even drag radials. Slicks are the only way to fly. I went a best of 12.85@106 at a local slow track (always 3 tenths slower than another one I visit). The weather wasnt that great, I wasnt even power shifting, and the 60ft was only in the mid 1.7's, so it didnt hook THAT great. This was with ported stock heads (free + tools/gaskets), a B303 cam ($100 on ebay), explorer intake ($150 from MW classifieds), and all the other usual boltons. The car had atleast a 12.70 in it, if not more. But that combo is now gone, so we'll never know for sure BUT if you want more out of the car, then I'd suggest a set of AFR165's, a custom cam, and a holley or performer RPM intake. good luck with whatever you decide. -drew __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

12-27-2002, 01:55 AM	#6
Coupe50h Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 957	I agree fiveohpatrol, i run e.t. streets and nothing less, also, with some porting on the exhaust side of my e7's, i could probaly see high 12's, but im not going to bother, i have my eye on some brodix, or edel aluminumheads, that ought to do the trick, also im slow on the 60' with these highway gears. __________________ X-Texas highway patrol ssp 1990 coupe - exploder Gt-40 iron heads, Explorer intake, 19 lber's. E-cam. crane 1.7 rollers. 190fp. 75mm maf. 65mm tb, tubular subframe connectors, mac cai, Asp crank pulley, T-5, king cobra clutch, flowtech 1-5/8 unequals, mac X-pipe Frpp driveshaft, lakewood Lca's. race weight 3,160 12.69 @ 107.35, 1.71 60' 26x8.5 drag's 3.90 gear 13.20 @ 106.91 - 235/60/15 firestones 2.3 60' 3.27 gear

12-27-2002, 09:19 AM	#7
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	1 jimmy D , you have a 12 sec car. Just like five oh patrol said, traction! You need suspension. 90/10s, 4 cyl springs (all 4), Poly bushings in the rear control arms, Batt in back, air bags, under drive crank pully, short belt, 26 x 10 slicks. $100.00 set of clutchs in the rear. You goals will come with ease. You motor in my car will run twelves all day, and 11s with the shot on it. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

12-27-2002, 11:36 AM	#8
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I seriouly doubt if his car is gonna run 12's with a 105 trap speed with the nitrous. Its alot harder to get 12's out of a vert. The first thing you need to work on is suspension like 88workcar said. Sub-frame connectors are a must. They helped my vert alot. You could get some ported E7's and an explorer intake for about $400.00 total off of E-bay. That would help you alot. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

12-29-2002, 04:22 PM	#9
1jimmy__d Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 299	thanks for all replies- MY suspension is totally stock. I have a guy that will weld under the seats and the length of the car to stiffen it up (seeing how it is a vert) for 250 bucks. I was also thinking of selling the vert and buying a hardtop and then doing the motor on it. Istill dont know. Do you think i should go with a 306 or 347 stroker for the block. I dont think the bottom end would hold with new heads on it. I was thinking of going with the AFR 165 (58cc?) aluminum heads, edelbrock performaer RPM intake, and a cam from somewhere. Am I crazy for thinking I am going to spend 3 grand? Can I run my headers with this new set up or do I have to buy new ones? Thanks again for all replies. AND I plan on buying some cheatrer slicks so I can drive it daily in the summer! The car is a 5 speed! __________________ 90 lx hatch, holley systemax II kit, rebuilt 302, BBK 155 lph fuel pump, pro M bullet mass meter wtih BBk cold air intake, 30 # injectors, 70 mm TB, jacobs ignition system, edelbrock water pump, BBk longtube headers with h-pipe, flowmasters, b&m ripper shifter, 3.55 gears, Proform electric fan, subframe connectors/removed smog pump and ac! 75 shot of nitrous! 13.2 at 112 1/4 mile- no traction!

12-29-2002, 06:56 PM	#10
Coupe50h Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 957	yes you can use your headers, btw, are you looking to keep it real streetable? if not, a 10:5:1 347 with the heads/cam, would be in low 12's, probaly high 12's on radials, maybe 109 mph in a vert. __________________ X-Texas highway patrol ssp 1990 coupe - exploder Gt-40 iron heads, Explorer intake, 19 lber's. E-cam. crane 1.7 rollers. 190fp. 75mm maf. 65mm tb, tubular subframe connectors, mac cai, Asp crank pulley, T-5, king cobra clutch, flowtech 1-5/8 unequals, mac X-pipe Frpp driveshaft, lakewood Lca's. race weight 3,160 12.69 @ 107.35, 1.71 60' 26x8.5 drag's 3.90 gear 13.20 @ 106.91 - 235/60/15 firestones 2.3 60' 3.27 gear

12-29-2002, 07:15 PM	#11
1jimmy__d Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 299	i wan tto keep it pretty streetable. I plan on driving it daily in the summer (although I wont have to), I have another car I can drive as well. Looks like I need a new fuel pump and TB as well. THats a few more hundred bones there! Is it stupid to do all this a a vert? Im not sure what to do- i just want to kick my firends 98 Z28 *** which I already do when my NOS is working correctly! __________________ 90 lx hatch, holley systemax II kit, rebuilt 302, BBK 155 lph fuel pump, pro M bullet mass meter wtih BBk cold air intake, 30 # injectors, 70 mm TB, jacobs ignition system, edelbrock water pump, BBk longtube headers with h-pipe, flowmasters, b&m ripper shifter, 3.55 gears, Proform electric fan, subframe connectors/removed smog pump and ac! 75 shot of nitrous! 13.2 at 112 1/4 mile- no traction!

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