Modded 90 LX vs 98 GT? - Page 2

Sonics2042 · 02-01-2002, 12:48 AM

That's my car...and I sincerely doubt it would. I would guess....14.6-14.8...

Jeb_Bush_2000 · 02-01-2002, 02:18 AM

I barely ran a 14.1 and that was without the weight and bad gearing of an AOD.

Skyman · 02-01-2002, 03:00 AM

Yeah most AOD cars I see at the track are going 15's too. Ive heard about a lot of fast close to stock ones, but I havnt seen one. Doesnt mean I dont doubt they are out there, its just not the norm.

Skyler

98gt5sp · 02-01-2002, 03:16 AM

Well, in response to 96GTS, I can guarantee you that I won't miss a shift. Also, don't be too hasty to compare your care with mine stock, because remember, yours does have less bhp. I don't think that I will necessarily win against sonics2042's LX, but I do feel confident that I won't lose by any more than a few tenths. Soon, however, all of this debating will all be over, because we will do our race this weekend (assuming the weather is good). Once we do, we'll let you know who wins.

Hyper92GT · 02-01-2002, 09:46 AM

Bad89, I holeheartedly argree, bone stock AOD will run 15+. However, I stated my experience with full exhaust, trans-go, 373s and cold air.
The race we are all talking about, with his mods will be a high 14sec car.
I'll race your truck if you give me a eight mile lead lol

1BAD89 · 02-01-2002, 11:29 AM

95GTS · 02-01-2002, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 98gt5sp
Well, in response to 96GTS, I can guarantee you that I won't miss a shift. Also, don't be too hasty to compare your care with mine stock, because remember, yours does have less bhp. I don't think that I will necessarily win against sonics2042's LX, but I do feel confident that I won't lose by any more than a few tenths. Soon, however, all of this debating will all be over, because we will do our race this weekend (assuming the weather is good). Once we do, we'll let you know who wins.

That's good that you won't miss a shift. One big thing I would recommend in helping with saving that crap T45 and improving shifting even more would be for you to get an aftermarket shifter such as the Steeda Tri-ax. Your stock shifter is crap. I had to have my T45 rebuilt with only around 40,000 miles on it. Anyways, I was just going off what your friend said about your driving and I quote:

[QUOTE]And I think the 98 GT runs about a 15.2 with a good driver. And I sincerely doubt he knows the optimal shift points. Actually I know he doesn't.[QUOTE]

Sounds like he wasn't too sure about your shifting abilities which is why I commented about it. Yes mine had 10 hp less stock. That's hardly a difference. It was also 200-300 pounds lighter than yours is so that makes up for it and then some so I will compare. Power to weight ratio makes a big difference. I don't think you'll lose by much either. I never said that you would. But, it's also more than likely that you will lose by a few car lengths. How many? I don't know. You'll just have to race and let us know how it goes. Also get some gears in that thing. Go with at least 3.73s. You will be much much happier

. Good luck. If he drives bad you'll kick his butt and vice versa. Driver plays a part, too. But car vs car I give it to the 90 LX.

Sonics2042 · 02-01-2002, 01:55 PM

Dan (98gt5sp),

You may not miss a shift, but I know your shifts won't be perfect...How long have you had your car now? 3 days? Have you mastered the shifting at high RPMs? No. Also...you BARELY have more hp than 96 GTS, but his car is lighter...just like mine. Also...for people who have gone to the track...

a few tenths is a fair amount at 95+...

Also, let's see how well you can launch your car. A fine line between peeling out all over the place and a great launch...
AutoX I would rape your car though

1-3 your car is pretty strong and since we won't go a full 1/4...should be interesting.

Get ready to lose...j/k (have to keep smack talk up),
Sonics2042

Quote:

Originally posted by 98gt5sp
Well, in response to 96GTS, I can guarantee you that I won't miss a shift. Also, don't be too hasty to compare your care with mine stock, because remember, yours does have less bhp. I don't think that I will necessarily win against sonics2042's LX, but I do feel confident that I won't lose by any more than a few tenths. Soon, however, all of this debating will all be over, because we will do our race this weekend (assuming the weather is good). Once we do, we'll let you know who wins.

95GTS · 02-01-2002, 03:40 PM

98gt5sp: 3 days? Have you ever owned a 4.6 before? Let me give you a couple hints to help you race your 4.6. Shift around 5300-5500 rpm. That's where your powerband gives out. Also launch at around 2000 rpms. Don't dump the clutch either. Ride it out a bit to try to keep the tires from breaking free. You should be low to mid 90's mph and in upper 3rd gear at the end of the 1/4 with those 2.73 stock gears.

Sonics2042 · 02-01-2002, 04:09 PM

SHHH!!!! This is his first 4.6. Don't give him any help. You should tell him to shift and ~3000 and to dump his clutch

Unit 5302 · 02-01-2002, 09:02 PM

Well, in 110* heat my Uncle ran a 15.2 with his bone stock AOD 89 GT Vert, with non functioning traction lock yielding *** launches.

I would agree the Fox AOD 5.0 is a very high 14/low 15 car with a good driver, but with some gears and mild bolt ons (like this one), it should be a solid 14sec car with a good driver.

Sonics2042 · 02-03-2002, 04:52 PM

well 98gt5sp woussed out. He says he wants to wait until SIR (Seattle International Raceway) opens...By then I will hopefully have my 93 cobra. (fingers crossed).

1BAD89 · 02-03-2002, 06:12 PM

Chicken'd out huh?

95GTS · 02-04-2002, 08:37 AM

And I even gave him some tips to help him. What the heck??

98gt5sp · 02-06-2002, 02:12 AM

96GTS... Thank you for the tips, they really are appreciated. I have a few questions that someone can hopefully clear up for me...

Quote 96GTS:
"I would recommend in helping with saving that crap T45 and improving shifting even more would be for you to get an aftermarket shifter such as the Steeda Tri-ax."

I thought that I had a tremec T-5 transmission. Are you sure you aren't mistaken about me having a T-45? Do you know where I can look this up? I looked all over the net and couldn't find a good specs sight. Also, I already purchased an American Thunder flowmaster cat-back exhaust, am getting a mac cold air intake soon, and next on the list is the Steeda Tri-Ax shifter and new gears (not sure what order for these last two). I'm wondering what you recommend, 3.73 or 4.10 for gears considering my car is my street driver as well. 4.10 would probably be too intense... but I think 3.55 wouldn't be worth the $500. What are the stock gears at (I have heard conflicting pieces of info on this)? Thanks a lot for the help,

-98gt5sp

95GTS · 02-06-2002, 09:45 AM

Trust me, you have a T45 made by Borg Warner. The 99-up stangs have a Tremec T45 up untill I think 01 and then it's a Tremec 3560 5-speed. They didn't change to a Tremec brand untill after 99. The Tremec T5 was in the 95-earlier stangs.

The Steeda is an excellent choice. Also go with the 3.73s with your daily driver. I think you'll probably like those best. That's what's recommended for the 4.6 5speed daily driver. Though 4.10s probably wouldn't be a bad choice either if you aren't too particular about gas mileage. Your stock gearing is a 2.73. You can look on the rear of the differential. There's a metal tag on there that'll tell you. I don't remember if it's the top or bottom line but it'll say 2L73 on it. The L means you have the traction lock rear and the 2 73 is the gear ratio. If it had something different it would be like 2 73, 3L08, 3 08, 3L27, 3 27. Standard gearing was a 2.73. Looks like you're on the right track. The Modular Madness forum on here is specifically for the 4.6 motors. You should definitely hang out there for a ton of info. Have fun.

Sonics2042 · 02-06-2002, 12:29 PM

98gt5sp (dan),

If you ever want to AutoX, I would stay with 3.73 or ever 3.55s...Top speed is important to me...I don't need to go 170 or anything, but with 4.10s I would guess ur top speed would be about 90-100.

1BAD89 · 02-06-2002, 12:41 PM

LOL, Your top speed would be faster than 90, or 100 with 4:10's.

95GTS · 02-06-2002, 12:44 PM

4.10s wouldn't knock the top speed to 90-100. No way. If that was so that's as fast as he could ever get in the 1/4. Shoot with my 3.73s I could cruise down the highway at 120mph and still have plenty to go. Did that a few times

. Makes 30 min. trip into about 10 mins. Not too bad.

With the 5speed you don't have a speed limiter either.

Sonics2042 · 02-06-2002, 01:58 PM

No power mods with manual with 4.10 gears? I would be pretty surprised to see him break ~105. Now if he gets to 90 in a hurry, then it takes like 5 min to get to 120, that's different. 90 is probably pretty-really conservative, but I don't think he could get to 120.

Plus, if he did get 4.10s, he would be shifting...a lot around town.

02-01-2002, 12:48 AM	#21
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	That's my car...and I sincerely doubt it would. I would guess....14.6-14.8... __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

02-01-2002, 03:00 AM	#23
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Yeah most AOD cars I see at the track are going 15's too. Ive heard about a lot of fast close to stock ones, but I havnt seen one. Doesnt mean I dont doubt they are out there, its just not the norm. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

02-01-2002, 03:40 PM	#29
95GTS Git jiggy Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: MO USA Posts: 865	98gt5sp: 3 days? Have you ever owned a 4.6 before? Let me give you a couple hints to help you race your 4.6. Shift around 5300-5500 rpm. That's where your powerband gives out. Also launch at around 2000 rpms. Don't dump the clutch either. Ride it out a bit to try to keep the tires from breaking free. You should be low to mid 90's mph and in upper 3rd gear at the end of the 1/4 with those 2.73 stock gears. __________________ 1967 Mustang Coupe

02-01-2002, 04:09 PM	#30
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	SHHH!!!! This is his first 4.6. Don't give him any help. You should tell him to shift and ~3000 and to dump his clutch __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

02-03-2002, 04:52 PM	#32
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	well 98gt5sp woussed out. He says he wants to wait until SIR (Seattle International Raceway) opens...By then I will hopefully have my 93 cobra. (fingers crossed). __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

02-01-2002, 02:18 AM	#22
Jeb_Bush_2000 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 374	I barely ran a 14.1 and that was without the weight and bad gearing of an AOD.

02-01-2002, 03:16 AM	#24
98gt5sp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 40	Well, in response to 96GTS, I can guarantee you that I won't miss a shift. Also, don't be too hasty to compare your care with mine stock, because remember, yours does have less bhp. I don't think that I will necessarily win against sonics2042's LX, but I do feel confident that I won't lose by any more than a few tenths. Soon, however, all of this debating will all be over, because we will do our race this weekend (assuming the weather is good). Once we do, we'll let you know who wins.

02-01-2002, 09:46 AM	#25
Hyper92GT slow like mud Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: toronto Posts: 180	Bad89, I holeheartedly argree, bone stock AOD will run 15+. However, I stated my experience with full exhaust, trans-go, 373s and cold air. The race we are all talking about, with his mods will be a high 14sec car. I'll race your truck if you give me a eight mile lead lol

02-01-2002, 11:29 AM	#26
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861

02-01-2002, 09:02 PM	#31
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Well, in 110* heat my Uncle ran a 15.2 with his bone stock AOD 89 GT Vert, with non functioning traction lock yielding *** launches. I would agree the Fox AOD 5.0 is a very high 14/low 15 car with a good driver, but with some gears and mild bolt ons (like this one), it should be a solid 14sec car with a good driver.

02-03-2002, 06:12 PM	#33
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	Chicken'd out huh?

02-04-2002, 08:37 AM	#34
95GTS Git jiggy Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: MO USA Posts: 865	And I even gave him some tips to help him. What the heck?? __________________ 1967 Mustang Coupe

02-06-2002, 02:12 AM	#35
98gt5sp Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 40	98 GT 5sp Transmission type 96GTS... Thank you for the tips, they really are appreciated. I have a few questions that someone can hopefully clear up for me... Quote 96GTS: "I would recommend in helping with saving that crap T45 and improving shifting even more would be for you to get an aftermarket shifter such as the Steeda Tri-ax." I thought that I had a tremec T-5 transmission. Are you sure you aren't mistaken about me having a T-45? Do you know where I can look this up? I looked all over the net and couldn't find a good specs sight. Also, I already purchased an American Thunder flowmaster cat-back exhaust, am getting a mac cold air intake soon, and next on the list is the Steeda Tri-Ax shifter and new gears (not sure what order for these last two). I'm wondering what you recommend, 3.73 or 4.10 for gears considering my car is my street driver as well. 4.10 would probably be too intense... but I think 3.55 wouldn't be worth the $500. What are the stock gears at (I have heard conflicting pieces of info on this)? Thanks a lot for the help, -98gt5sp

02-06-2002, 09:45 AM	#36
95GTS Git jiggy Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: MO USA Posts: 865	Trust me, you have a T45 made by Borg Warner. The 99-up stangs have a Tremec T45 up untill I think 01 and then it's a Tremec 3560 5-speed. They didn't change to a Tremec brand untill after 99. The Tremec T5 was in the 95-earlier stangs. The Steeda is an excellent choice. Also go with the 3.73s with your daily driver. I think you'll probably like those best. That's what's recommended for the 4.6 5speed daily driver. Though 4.10s probably wouldn't be a bad choice either if you aren't too particular about gas mileage. Your stock gearing is a 2.73. You can look on the rear of the differential. There's a metal tag on there that'll tell you. I don't remember if it's the top or bottom line but it'll say 2L73 on it. The L means you have the traction lock rear and the 2 73 is the gear ratio. If it had something different it would be like 2 73, 3L08, 3 08, 3L27, 3 27. Standard gearing was a 2.73. Looks like you're on the right track. The Modular Madness forum on here is specifically for the 4.6 motors. You should definitely hang out there for a ton of info. Have fun. __________________ 1967 Mustang Coupe

02-06-2002, 12:29 PM	#37
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	98gt5sp (dan), If you ever want to AutoX, I would stay with 3.73 or ever 3.55s...Top speed is important to me...I don't need to go 170 or anything, but with 4.10s I would guess ur top speed would be about 90-100. __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

02-06-2002, 12:41 PM	#38
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	LOL, Your top speed would be faster than 90, or 100 with 4:10's.

02-06-2002, 12:44 PM	#39
95GTS Git jiggy Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: MO USA Posts: 865	4.10s wouldn't knock the top speed to 90-100. No way. If that was so that's as fast as he could ever get in the 1/4. Shoot with my 3.73s I could cruise down the highway at 120mph and still have plenty to go. Did that a few times . Makes 30 min. trip into about 10 mins. Not too bad. With the 5speed you don't have a speed limiter either. __________________ 1967 Mustang Coupe

02-06-2002, 01:58 PM	#40
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	No power mods with manual with 4.10 gears? I would be pretty surprised to see him break ~105. Now if he gets to 90 in a hurry, then it takes like 5 min to get to 120, that's different. 90 is probably pretty-really conservative, but I don't think he could get to 120. Plus, if he did get 4.10s, he would be shifting...a lot around town. __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

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