What does it take for a stock Fox body to keep up with a late model Z28 SS?

Fox Hound · 01-24-2003, 12:08 PM

Anyone know what HP/times these cars have? Aren't they something like 5.7L? I guess right off the bat we are giving them 48 cubes so its not like comparing apples to apples. My guess it that they are around 320HP. They do look a little fat, though. What is their HP/lb ratio? Just wondering what HP should I shoot for it I wanted to keep up with one of these...

drtbiker · 01-24-2003, 12:34 PM

being a good driver you should be able to beat z28's all day long but on the other hand if it is a ss then it is going to take a little bit more

later

88PONY · 01-24-2003, 12:53 PM

A good driver....I beat my friends 2002 Trans Am WS6 6-speed with my brothers stock 87 GT.

Ackbar00 · 01-24-2003, 02:29 PM

Look at my sig. I can beat a 2001 SS easy at the track. Around here they run 13.40@105 stock, but very from place to place.

Nixon1 · 01-24-2003, 02:38 PM

New SS Camaros make about 320 hp and if I remember right, weigh in the 3400 neighborhood. The engine is a 5.7 Liter LS1, unless it's an older 4th gen SS, which has an LT1 making less power.

jj_jonathon · 01-24-2003, 02:55 PM

the new ss camaro's hp #s are unrated...

best ive seen one do is near 13flat stock though....so beat that...

...course, thats a good driver..

jj_jonathon · 01-24-2003, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 88PONY
A good driver....I beat my friends 2002 Trans Am WS6 6-speed with my brothers stock 87 GT.

did he keep it in 1st gear and the race was for 5miles? theres no way in hell a stock WS6 would lose to a stock 87GT...

Dark_5.0 · 01-24-2003, 03:00 PM

4.10's ,slicks, full exhaust a lil' weight reduction and bolt ons usually does the job.

LS-1's run 13.8- 14.4 here @3000ft

Nixon1 · 01-24-2003, 03:08 PM

Camaro hp #'s for the last model year, 2002, are very rated.. Check Chevy.com. 325 @ 5200 Horsepower. The Z28 got 310 hp @ 5200.

The SS's come standard with a 4 speed auto but optional is a 6 speed. They have a Zexel Torsen differential which is great for launch...the ONLY downfall to these differentials is they cannot handle horsepower. They work WAY better than a traditional limited slip unit.

Stang_Crazy · 01-24-2003, 03:27 PM

I have a friend that had a 2002 SS. With just exhaust, it made 331 rwhp. He no longer has it but it was damn quick!!

WADS56 · 01-24-2003, 03:37 PM

What are you guys talking about

Mustangs cant beat LS1's. The are unbeatable, and hand assembled by God.

88PONY · 01-24-2003, 04:31 PM

jj...........i'm telling you I raced him and won. My brothers car has a cat-back exhaust, thats it! The car runs 14.0@96 all day long, with over 200,000 miles on it. My friends WS6 ran the best of 13.7@103. I'm not tring to brag, but I know I can drive stick better than him. I ran 13.9@100 with the WS6. It has that crappy hydralic clutch.

Latter

Fox Hound · 01-24-2003, 05:12 PM

So, with all other things being equal, I would need is about 300+ rwhp? That about 340-350 hp at the motor. Hmmmm... it will take quite a bit to get there. Am I pretty close with these numbers?

88PONY · 01-24-2003, 05:48 PM

Lets just face it.........The war is over FORD won! They don't even make the Camaro og TA any more!!!!

Now its on to the IMPORTS!!!

Nixon1 · 01-24-2003, 07:45 PM

Ha ha...Ford won...yes...which still irritates me. I'm GM at heart....I just own a Ford because I found it cheap and I can't afford more right now. Can't beat cheap power.

But yeah, LS1's are a godsend. Glorious motors. Too complicated though..they're very high tech. Wanna know an even better motor? The LS6...just like the LS1 took over for the LT1, the LS6 is the next one..that's the motor in the new Z06 Corvettes. Can we say 405 hp stock? Wow...not even the 2002 SVT Cobras could keep up with that...although they came damn close, and were priced much better. I have to admit..that car really was well done. 390 hp, 390 ft lbs, a pricetag, if I'm not mistaken, LESS than a BASE MODEL vette... Only thing the Mustang had nothing on the Vette with was handling.

91GTturbo · 01-24-2003, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drtbiker
being a good driver you should be able to beat z28's all day long but on the other hand if it is a ss then it is going to take a little bit more

later

It's been proven time and time again, there is no significant power differences between the base Z28 and an SS. Both are LS1 powered (98-02). Typically the base Z28 is as quick or quicker due to a slight weight advantage over the SS.

Nixon1 · 01-24-2003, 08:00 PM

The horsepower differences are only slight. 310 versus 325. Sure, 15 horsepower sounds like a lot when you're only making, say 150...but when you're over 300 hp, 15 hp isn't going to make a hell of a lot of a difference....at that point it just boils down to driver skill.

Kinda disappointing they only gave the SS 325 horses...only 15 more than a base Z. But I know why. The base model Corvette was making, I think in the 360 or so neighborhood, and they couldn't have the Camaro coming close to or tying the vette...it's just taboo with Chevy. Hell, back in 89 when Pontiac released the Turbo Trans-Am, they underrated its horsepower because it was too close to the vettes and GM execs were getting nervous. Severely underrated its power. It was posted as about 240 horsepower I believe...but in actuality tests showed it to make closer to 300. And that is a Turbocharged, intercooled 3.8 V6. Amazing...

91GTturbo · 01-24-2003, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 88PONY
A good driver....I beat my friends 2002 Trans Am WS6 6-speed with my brothers stock 87 GT.

First you say the 87 is stock.

Quote:

Originally posted by 88PONY
jj...........i'm telling you I raced him and won. My brothers car has a cat-back exhaust, thats it! The car runs 14.0@96 all day long, with over 200,000 miles on it. My friends WS6 ran the best of 13.7@103. I'm not tring to brag, but I know I can drive stick better than him. I ran 13.9@100 with the WS6. It has that crappy hydralic clutch.
Latter

Then it has a catback. What else you hiding? I love the mustang as much as anybody, but the LS1 deserves much respest. Both cars being stock or close to stock, the mustang with a good driver will win off the line due to better gearing and less weight, but once the LS1 gets moving, it's going to blow by an 87' with 200K miles on it. Either your brother has a freak 87' or the LS1 was running on 7 cyls.

No flames intended, but I've seen enough of both cars in action. Some of you guys are in for a rude awakening when you run one.

Nixon1 · 01-24-2003, 08:08 PM

I know enough to rev at an LS1 but not to try anything more than that. Although I might get the jump on it once I gain traction through first and some of second possibly just due to the 4.11 rear.

Stang_Crazy · 01-24-2003, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nixon1
Wow...not even the 2002 SVT Cobras could keep up with that...although they came damn close, and were priced much better. I have to admit..that car really was well done. 390 hp, 390 ft lbs, a pricetag, if I'm not mistaken, LESS than a BASE MODEL vette... Only thing the Mustang had nothing on the Vette with was handling.

Ok, a few things here...the new Cobra's are a 03 model not a 02 model. No Cobra's were produced in 2002. And second, the 390hp rating that Ford gave the Cobra's is underrated. They make closer to 410-420 bhp.

01-24-2003, 12:08 PM	#1
Fox Hound Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 58	What does it take for a stock Fox body to keep up with a late model Z28 SS? Anyone know what HP/times these cars have? Aren't they something like 5.7L? I guess right off the bat we are giving them 48 cubes so its not like comparing apples to apples. My guess it that they are around 320HP. They do look a little fat, though. What is their HP/lb ratio? Just wondering what HP should I shoot for it I wanted to keep up with one of these... __________________ 3.55 FMS gears, B&M shifter, high flow cat h-pipe, Moroso CAI, FMS pulleys, Steeda springs, upper and lower control arms, rear sway bar, G-brace, strut tower brace, KYB shocks/struts, Griggs sub frame connectors, 73mm calipers, SS lines and Hawk pads.

01-24-2003, 12:34 PM	#2
drtbiker Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mt. Prospect,IL Posts: 474	being a good driver you should be able to beat z28's all day long but on the other hand if it is a ss then it is going to take a little bit more later __________________ 87-ford-mustang-SOLD! mods: 3:73's, off road h-pipe, b303 cam in gt- 40 motor w/ Power Plus intake, edelbrock 70mm tb & egr spacer, 72mm C&L, bbk long tubes, tremec tranny, centerforce dual friction clutch, upr and lwr CA's 255lph FP and soon more to come.... when i have money again SOME ADVICE Don't do burn outs in reverse it is very expensive New times with dead hook on dr's 13.27@103 with 2.0 60 foots w/100lb system Fastest time to date: 12.8@113

01-24-2003, 12:53 PM	#3
88PONY Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: INDIO CA USA Posts: 141	A good driver....I beat my friends 2002 Trans Am WS6 6-speed with my brothers stock 87 GT. __________________ 88 Notch Natually aspirated 306 600 carb Edelbrock Victor Jr. Intake and Performer RPM heads 11.5 comp. ATI C-4 8" 4200 stall 4:10's 28x10.5 M/T MAC longtubes/prochamber Dynomax Race magnumss dumped, Caged and ready to go!!! 11.8@115 And remember friends don't let friend drive MOPARS!!!

01-24-2003, 02:29 PM	#4
Ackbar00 Rebel Fleet Commander Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Huber Heights, OH Posts: 1,003	Look at my sig. I can beat a 2001 SS easy at the track. Around here they run 13.40@105 stock, but very from place to place. __________________ 1993 Mustang GT, PTK w/ T-64 - My Cardomain Webpage 11.25@123.5 on only 8 psi. 10.84@121 on only 1 headgasket "The Truth is, Your the Weak, and I am the Tyranny of Evil Men!"

01-24-2003, 02:38 PM	#5
Nixon1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 432	New SS Camaros make about 320 hp and if I remember right, weigh in the 3400 neighborhood. The engine is a 5.7 Liter LS1, unless it's an older 4th gen SS, which has an LT1 making less power. __________________ '91 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD Daily Driver Current stats: NEW 302 short block, E-303 cam (@.050, 220/220, .498/.498, 110 degrees), 1.6 roller rockers, Performer RPM heads (aluminum, 1.9/1.6, 60cc chambers), Cobra intake, Granatelli 75mm MAF, Billet AFPR, Equal-Length Shorty Headers, Off-Road X Pipe, Flowmasters, 4.10 POSI 13.73 at 103.8, ~2.2 60'

01-24-2003, 02:55 PM	#6
jj_jonathon Trisket Join Date: May 2002 Location: University of Florida, FL Posts: ½ Posts: 1,560	the new ss camaro's hp #s are unrated... best ive seen one do is near 13flat stock though....so beat that......course, thats a good driver.. __________________ University of Florida - Physics Major My 02GT vert Media Center Pics BBK Underdrive Pulleys \| K&N FIPK (Gen II) \| Bullet Grille \| Mach 1 Chin Spoiler \| UPR Interior Parts \| XM Radio \| Audiobahn Subs Ricer Hater's Club Member #1/2 (30) http://www.ricehatersclub.com/

01-24-2003, 03:00 PM	#8
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	4.10's ,slicks, full exhaust a lil' weight reduction and bolt ons usually does the job. LS-1's run 13.8- 14.4 here @3000ft __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

01-24-2003, 03:08 PM	#9
Nixon1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 432	Camaro hp #'s for the last model year, 2002, are very rated.. Check Chevy.com. 325 @ 5200 Horsepower. The Z28 got 310 hp @ 5200. The SS's come standard with a 4 speed auto but optional is a 6 speed. They have a Zexel Torsen differential which is great for launch...the ONLY downfall to these differentials is they cannot handle horsepower. They work WAY better than a traditional limited slip unit. __________________ '91 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD Daily Driver Current stats: NEW 302 short block, E-303 cam (@.050, 220/220, .498/.498, 110 degrees), 1.6 roller rockers, Performer RPM heads (aluminum, 1.9/1.6, 60cc chambers), Cobra intake, Granatelli 75mm MAF, Billet AFPR, Equal-Length Shorty Headers, Off-Road X Pipe, Flowmasters, 4.10 POSI 13.73 at 103.8, ~2.2 60'

01-24-2003, 03:27 PM	#10
Stang_Crazy It's never clean enough! Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Shaler, PA Posts: 1,542	I have a friend that had a 2002 SS. With just exhaust, it made 331 rwhp. He no longer has it but it was damn quick!! __________________ ~Dan 2001 SVT Lightning 89' GT : Taking up garage space and waiting for a buyer... Rice Hater's Club - Member #11

01-24-2003, 03:37 PM	#11
WADS56 gear banger Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 1,144	What are you guys talking about Mustangs cant beat LS1's. The are unbeatable, and hand assembled by God. __________________ 79 Hatch: NA 347, Stage 2 Canfield Heads, Victor JR. Intake, Blueprinted Holley 750 HP, Solid Roller Cam, Shooting for 10's on motor 93 LX: Tremec, dual friction clutch, fms flywheel, Hedman shorties, O/R H-pipe Ricer hater's club member #49

01-24-2003, 04:31 PM	#12
88PONY Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: INDIO CA USA Posts: 141	jj...........i'm telling you I raced him and won. My brothers car has a cat-back exhaust, thats it! The car runs 14.0@96 all day long, with over 200,000 miles on it. My friends WS6 ran the best of 13.7@103. I'm not tring to brag, but I know I can drive stick better than him. I ran 13.9@100 with the WS6. It has that crappy hydralic clutch. Latter __________________ 88 Notch Natually aspirated 306 600 carb Edelbrock Victor Jr. Intake and Performer RPM heads 11.5 comp. ATI C-4 8" 4200 stall 4:10's 28x10.5 M/T MAC longtubes/prochamber Dynomax Race magnumss dumped, Caged and ready to go!!! 11.8@115 And remember friends don't let friend drive MOPARS!!!

01-24-2003, 05:12 PM	#13
Fox Hound Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 58	So, with all other things being equal, I would need is about 300+ rwhp? That about 340-350 hp at the motor. Hmmmm... it will take quite a bit to get there. Am I pretty close with these numbers? __________________ 3.55 FMS gears, B&M shifter, high flow cat h-pipe, Moroso CAI, FMS pulleys, Steeda springs, upper and lower control arms, rear sway bar, G-brace, strut tower brace, KYB shocks/struts, Griggs sub frame connectors, 73mm calipers, SS lines and Hawk pads.

01-24-2003, 05:48 PM	#14
88PONY Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: INDIO CA USA Posts: 141	Lets just face it.........The war is over FORD won! They don't even make the Camaro og TA any more!!!! Now its on to the IMPORTS!!! __________________ 88 Notch Natually aspirated 306 600 carb Edelbrock Victor Jr. Intake and Performer RPM heads 11.5 comp. ATI C-4 8" 4200 stall 4:10's 28x10.5 M/T MAC longtubes/prochamber Dynomax Race magnumss dumped, Caged and ready to go!!! 11.8@115 And remember friends don't let friend drive MOPARS!!!

01-24-2003, 07:45 PM	#15
Nixon1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 432	Ha ha...Ford won...yes...which still irritates me. I'm GM at heart....I just own a Ford because I found it cheap and I can't afford more right now. Can't beat cheap power. But yeah, LS1's are a godsend. Glorious motors. Too complicated though..they're very high tech. Wanna know an even better motor? The LS6...just like the LS1 took over for the LT1, the LS6 is the next one..that's the motor in the new Z06 Corvettes. Can we say 405 hp stock? Wow...not even the 2002 SVT Cobras could keep up with that...although they came damn close, and were priced much better. I have to admit..that car really was well done. 390 hp, 390 ft lbs, a pricetag, if I'm not mistaken, LESS than a BASE MODEL vette... Only thing the Mustang had nothing on the Vette with was handling. __________________ '91 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD Daily Driver Current stats: NEW 302 short block, E-303 cam (@.050, 220/220, .498/.498, 110 degrees), 1.6 roller rockers, Performer RPM heads (aluminum, 1.9/1.6, 60cc chambers), Cobra intake, Granatelli 75mm MAF, Billet AFPR, Equal-Length Shorty Headers, Off-Road X Pipe, Flowmasters, 4.10 POSI 13.73 at 103.8, ~2.2 60'

01-24-2003, 08:00 PM	#17
Nixon1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 432	The horsepower differences are only slight. 310 versus 325. Sure, 15 horsepower sounds like a lot when you're only making, say 150...but when you're over 300 hp, 15 hp isn't going to make a hell of a lot of a difference....at that point it just boils down to driver skill. Kinda disappointing they only gave the SS 325 horses...only 15 more than a base Z. But I know why. The base model Corvette was making, I think in the 360 or so neighborhood, and they couldn't have the Camaro coming close to or tying the vette...it's just taboo with Chevy. Hell, back in 89 when Pontiac released the Turbo Trans-Am, they underrated its horsepower because it was too close to the vettes and GM execs were getting nervous. Severely underrated its power. It was posted as about 240 horsepower I believe...but in actuality tests showed it to make closer to 300. And that is a Turbocharged, intercooled 3.8 V6. Amazing... __________________ '91 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD Daily Driver Current stats: NEW 302 short block, E-303 cam (@.050, 220/220, .498/.498, 110 degrees), 1.6 roller rockers, Performer RPM heads (aluminum, 1.9/1.6, 60cc chambers), Cobra intake, Granatelli 75mm MAF, Billet AFPR, Equal-Length Shorty Headers, Off-Road X Pipe, Flowmasters, 4.10 POSI 13.73 at 103.8, ~2.2 60' Last edited by Nixon1; 01-24-2003 at 08:06 PM..

01-24-2003, 08:08 PM	#19
Nixon1 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 432	I know enough to rev at an LS1 but not to try anything more than that. Although I might get the jump on it once I gain traction through first and some of second possibly just due to the 4.11 rear. __________________ '91 Mustang GT 5.0 AOD Daily Driver Current stats: NEW 302 short block, E-303 cam (@.050, 220/220, .498/.498, 110 degrees), 1.6 roller rockers, Performer RPM heads (aluminum, 1.9/1.6, 60cc chambers), Cobra intake, Granatelli 75mm MAF, Billet AFPR, Equal-Length Shorty Headers, Off-Road X Pipe, Flowmasters, 4.10 POSI 13.73 at 103.8, ~2.2 60'

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