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01-24-2003, 09:28 PM | #21 |
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My bad..not thinking clearly. They underrated the power? Huh.. Dang. Well they still won't beat a Z06...too damn heavy. Those beasts weigh in at like 3800 lbs if I remember the Car and Driver writeup right.
Btw, I don't know Ford stats mostly because I don't like Ford.
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01-25-2003, 01:01 AM | #22 | |
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01-25-2003, 10:54 PM | #23 | |
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01-26-2003, 03:29 PM | #24 |
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Ha ha...well, I wear my Chevy Racing hat driving my Ford...what's that tell ya? I can't argue with cheap power, and that's what this stang is..a whole sh*tload of cheap power. Only other car I've owned is a 91 Camaro RS with minor mods...and the best I've ever done 0-60 was 8.28...16.48 @ 85~ 1/4 mile... It's got nowhere close to anything on the Mustang, except handling.
My dream car is a Chevy, and I don't care much for Ford as a company, but I do think the Mustangs have a lot more balls than I originally thought, especially since I own one now. Never knew they came with 225 horses...that doesn't get mentioned on the GM sites with Ford stats mentioned..they only mention the standard 5.0, 200 horses, not the H.O. But that's beside the point.. I own a Ford, I like my Ford, I need help to fix my Ford, and I am gonna treat this thing good, even though it will be my daily street beater (can't help it here...)... So....sorry to rub anyone the wrong way, but ya know what they say...to each their own.
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01-26-2003, 05:51 PM | #25 | |
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01-26-2003, 07:13 PM | #27 | |
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01-26-2003, 07:35 PM | #28 | |
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01-26-2003, 07:51 PM | #29 |
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Originally posted by Nixon1 Ha ha...well, I wear my Chevy Racing hat driving my Ford...what's that tell ya? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, this says that I have no other decent hats and don't want to buy another. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [i]Only other car I've owned is a 91 Camaro RS with minor mods...and the best I've ever done 0-60 was 8.28...16.48 @ 85~ 1/4 mile... It's got nowhere close to anything on the Mustang, except handling.[/B] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That means that I'M POOR and bought the Mustang for $3000 because there was no hope in hell of finding an F-Body with the same amount of modification, in decent shape, for that price. Also...that time is with a 3.1 liter V-6 making only 140 horsepower stock, with an automatic, on a car about as heavy as a V8 Foxbody. I'd like to see you do better! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [i]and I don't care much for Ford as a company[/B] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And actually Chevy has cheap power..it's called a Third Generation F-Body. Aftermarket for them is almost as large as for a Fox Body...their only disadvantage is weight, but they are power and torque monsters and out-handle a Mustang despite the extra fat...especially the TPI 5.7's....and the older carbed L69's were decent for their time too. ================================ On the other topic, the SS's and Z28's are very close.... They're both running the same motor, and power levels are very similar..the SS is just more 'refined'. The hood scoop is also functional if I remember correctly, and you can opt for a 6 speed on them....don't know if you can on the Z's or not.
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01-26-2003, 08:24 PM | #30 | |
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but he said that the Z's and SS's are pretty close at the track cuz the ram air doesnt do much at the track, but on the street he tends to walk all over the Z's...especially the pre-2001 ones...thats when they did the LS1 conversion (aside form the few limited edition pre-2001 LS1 Z28s that were slower anyways - i know someone who has one...nothing special)... so there ya go
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01-27-2003, 10:06 PM | #31 | |
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Tpi's were competitive in stock form, with the first of the efi stangs barely edging them out, But imo with just minor mods the 5.0 would wake up and rape the tpi badly, i however practice this matchup with a friend of mine every wendsday, with his 87 iroc and some minor mods, pretty original, even with him on stickies and rear grs, he has no chance. I dont consider 600$ headers a cheap mod
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01-28-2003, 09:21 AM | #32 |
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Stock TPI intakes have wayyy to long runners for good top end power. A intake swap with a Accel mini ram or super ram is needed to improve things.
LT-1 or LS-1 swaps go great in a G-3 Camaro too. But wasn't this thread about racing against Stock LS-1 Camaro's and SS's?? To be fair the 02 SS should be compared to a 01 ( or fixed 99) Cobra, not a "stock" 87-93 Mustang, as the SS Camaro was 'bout $ 30,000 with all the goodies. Probably why some have said there is no difference between the Z-28 and SS is that all the SS really involves is a ram air kit, and optional Torsen diff, and cat back exhaust. Most Z-28's on the track will already have a cold air kit, and cat back exhaust. I can't imagine anyone running at the track with the crappy stock Z-28 airbox very long. Once that is gone a Z-28 will run just as fast as a SS Mag published times tend toward 13.2 - 13.5 for a real stock SS and 13.6 - 13.9 for a real stock Z-28. I remember a 13.2 time for the last 01 Cobra test I saw. The guys with Autos probably are guaranteed sub 14 times as you just need to mash and go. The GM A-4 does not slow the car down like a AOD does. The T-56 cars are more prone to driver skill. I can easily see some dorks posting low 14's in a car that can run low 13's cus they have no skill.
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01-28-2003, 11:38 AM | #33 |
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Well the SS does beat the Z for the most part but on track they run about even. They both come in a 6-speed and it all depends on the driver.
As for the LS-1 swap , 1998 was the year they did the conversion from the LT-1. Thats why if you went out camero or trans am shoping you would find that the pre-98 modles are a bit cheaper than the 1998-up modles. The LS-1 puts out between 310-325 hp depending on what kind of upgrades you have added to your car stock. The LT-1 pushes about 285-295 stock hp also depending on mods. I have yet to run up with one of these, I do not know what my car runs with the stock gears in it (88 gt 5-speed) but i think that i could hang with one. Bryan |
01-28-2003, 05:00 PM | #34 |
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I won't argue this point...5.0's have the biggest aftermarket out there. I was shocked when I looked through a copy of the Summit magazine.. Although Third Gens do have a very large aftermarket as well compared to other cars, nothing can beat a fox-body in those respects.
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01-29-2003, 01:51 AM | #35 |
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Congrats on your new Marine, let me say on behalf of the United States Marine Corps, welcome to our family. We will take care of him and thank you for supporting your country. Semper Fidelis Sgt King USMC Currently deployed in the gulf. OORAH
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Sgt. King, thank you so much for the words of encouragement and I pray for all of you and I thank you for what you do. My son asked me if he was making a mistake when he joined because all of his freinds said he was crazy. I told him how proud I was of him and that yes, I did think his timing pretty much sucked. This was last December just at the beginning of the Afghanistan thing and I know this will be a long row to hoe for you guys. I know there are a lot of folks in the world who don't agree with what might happen in Iraq. Please rest assured Sgt. King that you will have this family's undying support and most importantly, our prayers. . .all of you. THanks to the rest of you for letting me rant and I apologize for getting off on this tangent.
Semper Fi!
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my dad has a 2001 Ls1 trans am with the nhra package, 6 speed with the slp ram air, maf, and 160 degree thermostat and fan switch and i ran him at the track with my gt-40 heads and stock roller rockers on slicks and i went a 13.03 @ 103 and he went a 13.15 @108 on radials with the clutch slipping. And i mean you could smell the clutch for awhile after that pass too. I was pretty impressed. That car will go 12's with a better clutch easily. Not bad for a basically stock car.
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01-30-2003, 02:53 PM | #38 |
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The LS1 Trans Ams from SLP are incredible... With a trap speed like 108, he could've easily done mid 12's...that's the problem though, getting the power to the ground without tirespin, clutch slip, missed/granny shifts, etc. That's the one reason that I'm glad I have an auto...only one thing to focus on, which is gas pedal manipulation. I gotta be careful how much gas I lay down until the top end of first gear too..laying the pedal down anywhere below, say, 4000 rpms (I dont know speed cause speedometer is broken), and I break traction in the rear....but man is it awesome.
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01-30-2003, 04:05 PM | #39 |
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I have driven/been in several fox 5.0 cars including some police interceptors and they wouldnt run with my buddies stock 2002 ram air. I would have think you would want a set of heads and an intake before messing with them. My car dynos at just over 300/310 and I can walk him nicely.
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I know I am late getting in on this thread, but I found it to be funny.
The Z06 vette is a far superior vehicle than an 03' cobra. Most people dont realize that vettes only weigh about 3200 lbs. The SS and the Z-28 run nearly identical times. There is no way in hell a stock or near stock 5.0 will hang with a LS-1 in the big end. My 01' cobra is very similar in power to an LS-1 and I totaly and completetly destroy stock or near stock 5.0's. After many mods on my 5.0 I am just now getting to where I beat LS-1's more than I lose. A convertible automatic LS-1 with a fat chick in the back would still spank a 5.0 5 speed with a good driver. JMO,
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