4 speed in a fox ??

Coupe Devil · 11-25-2002, 07:29 PM

I have seen in times past when people put old style top loader 4 speeds in foxes. Is there any real advantage or disadvantage. I think it would br pretty cool for a street toy myself. I think a regular blow proof bellhousing liek a lakewood or such would work, just wondering about clutch linkage and the rearr mount.

Any info is appreciated
Bradley

Coupe Devil · 11-25-2002, 08:02 PM

Well I jsut found out that Summit stocks an SFI bellhousing for 277 for doing this exact thing. Cant find much for a crossmember and mount so if anyone has any info let me know.

Bradley

Shaggy · 11-25-2002, 09:54 PM

I did one years ago in an old fox i had the mount you want to use is the stock T-5 mount you will need to adjust your crossmember as far forward as it will go just grind the spot welds slide it forward and re spot weld it.

I have a question though why do you want to do this you lose your overdrive? (which really sucks on the street) If you need the strentgh the tremec was actually designed after the for toploader but with the extra gear.

Speaking of which if you buy the aluminum belhousing for a tremec a toploader will bolt to it and it is cheaper than the SFI you can also use the early 79 to 83 SROD bellhousing as well from a junkyard. only problem with either one of those options is they will not allow an 11" clutch but IMHO the 10.5 clutch with the proper assembly will be more then anouhg for most street cars anyway.

Coupe Devil · 11-25-2002, 10:15 PM

I just thought it would be cool, The tremec would be ok to. I know I want a stick car now and I thought that the 4 speed would be cool. My buddy has a toploader in his 351 65 model coupe and its a blast to drive. Just seems more fun for some reason. I would be willing to trade a built up aod for a tremec with bellhousing though. Just gotta get the aod rebuilt. Dont figure anyone will go for that trade but I would

Bradley

MEDIK418 · 11-26-2002, 12:58 AM

People who have never shifted a top loader have no idea what speed-shifting is all about. Being like. . .really old, all we had as neophytes was top loaders, Muncies, Borg-Warner T-10 crash boxes and the like. with those you can hold the loud pedal on the floor and just bang away at the shifter without even getting the clutch all the way in. The things just kinda fall into gear no matter how hard you bang the shifter. I don't think I would like to go back to not having an overdrive but they are a lot of fun.

ultraflo · 11-26-2002, 03:38 AM

I've been using a Jerico DR4 for the past year, which is a modern hybrid of the toploaders and muncies... purpose built for drag racing. The thing I like best about it is the V-gate shifter... no 'H' pattern to contend with, and the sucker just falls right into the next gear. No such thing as worrying about missing a gear

I've never had so much fun pullin' gear before in my life, beats the hell out of any T5 or Tremec (I've run each one in my car in the past).

The trade-off is that it is not very streetable... not very streetable at all

It's really pretty to look at too, IMHO...

Jerico picture

I started with a new x-member, which do not come welded-up like they are from the factory... it's positioned in the middle of the bushings. I use an energy suspension tranny mount also.

I had to beat the HECK! out of the trans tunnel in order for the linkage to clear. Had cut the opening in the trans tunnel to clear the shifter, as it sits much closer to the driver, and had to modify the center console accordingly...
console picture

-Ryan

5.0L_Of_Fury · 11-26-2002, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pony_power_90
I would be willing to trade a built up aod for a tremec with bellhousing though.

Bradley

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FordTim · 11-27-2002, 09:33 PM

I have an '87 with a toploader and the fox specific Lakewood scattershield , I only had to modify the floor and the trans. mount slightly to make it work.I mostly race the car so I wasn't too worried about losing 5th, but it would be nice in a daily driver.

11-25-2002, 07:29 PM	#1
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	4 speed in a fox ?? I have seen in times past when people put old style top loader 4 speeds in foxes. Is there any real advantage or disadvantage. I think it would br pretty cool for a street toy myself. I think a regular blow proof bellhousing liek a lakewood or such would work, just wondering about clutch linkage and the rearr mount. Any info is appreciated Bradley __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

11-25-2002, 08:02 PM	#2
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	Well I jsut found out that Summit stocks an SFI bellhousing for 277 for doing this exact thing. Cant find much for a crossmember and mount so if anyone has any info let me know. Bradley __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

11-25-2002, 09:54 PM	#3
Shaggy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 466	I did one years ago in an old fox i had the mount you want to use is the stock T-5 mount you will need to adjust your crossmember as far forward as it will go just grind the spot welds slide it forward and re spot weld it. I have a question though why do you want to do this you lose your overdrive? (which really sucks on the street) If you need the strentgh the tremec was actually designed after the for toploader but with the extra gear. Speaking of which if you buy the aluminum belhousing for a tremec a toploader will bolt to it and it is cheaper than the SFI you can also use the early 79 to 83 SROD bellhousing as well from a junkyard. only problem with either one of those options is they will not allow an 11" clutch but IMHO the 10.5 clutch with the proper assembly will be more then anouhg for most street cars anyway. __________________ A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week. George S. Patton, General (1885-1945)

11-25-2002, 10:15 PM	#4
Coupe Devil Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Myrtle Beach SC Posts: 1,643	I just thought it would be cool, The tremec would be ok to. I know I want a stick car now and I thought that the 4 speed would be cool. My buddy has a toploader in his 351 65 model coupe and its a blast to drive. Just seems more fun for some reason. I would be willing to trade a built up aod for a tremec with bellhousing though. Just gotta get the aod rebuilt. Dont figure anyone will go for that trade but I would Bradley __________________ 1990 GT, 347, TFS TW Heads, TFS Cam, TFS Track heat, Twin turbos, FMIC, T5. Built Ford Tough Moderator

11-26-2002, 12:58 AM	#5
MEDIK418 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Amarillo, Texas, USA Posts: 780	People who have never shifted a top loader have no idea what speed-shifting is all about. Being like. . .really old, all we had as neophytes was top loaders, Muncies, Borg-Warner T-10 crash boxes and the like. with those you can hold the loud pedal on the floor and just bang away at the shifter without even getting the clutch all the way in. The things just kinda fall into gear no matter how hard you bang the shifter. I don't think I would like to go back to not having an overdrive but they are a lot of fun. __________________ 1986 four-eyed LX coupe, 358 Cleveland, Tremec TKO600/centerforce clutch, dish cut Probe forged pistons, comp cams hyd.roller cam, .579/.588@224/230, Edel.performer, 670 holley street avenger, CPR custom built long tubes, ported and polished 4bbl heads, manley valves, beehive springs, MSD peo-billet dist/MSD6AL, fluidamper, 5 lug conv. with 17x8 bullits there's more but it's still not finished yet. Oh, and the oldest boy is turning his 89 GT into a FFR cobra this next summer.

11-26-2002, 03:38 AM	#6
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	I've been using a Jerico DR4 for the past year, which is a modern hybrid of the toploaders and muncies... purpose built for drag racing. The thing I like best about it is the V-gate shifter... no 'H' pattern to contend with, and the sucker just falls right into the next gear. No such thing as worrying about missing a gear I've never had so much fun pullin' gear before in my life, beats the hell out of any T5 or Tremec (I've run each one in my car in the past). The trade-off is that it is not very streetable... not very streetable at all It's really pretty to look at too, IMHO... Jerico picture I started with a new x-member, which do not come welded-up like they are from the factory... it's positioned in the middle of the bushings. I use an energy suspension tranny mount also. I had to beat the HECK! out of the trans tunnel in order for the linkage to clear. Had cut the opening in the trans tunnel to clear the shifter, as it sits much closer to the driver, and had to modify the center console accordingly... console picture -Ryan __________________ RLS Racing! 93 LX 9.20 @ 147mph 03 Mach 1 12.39 @ 116mph Last edited by ultraflo; 11-26-2002 at 03:44 AM..

11-27-2002, 09:33 PM	#8
FordTim Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3	I have an '87 with a toploader and the fox specific Lakewood scattershield , I only had to modify the floor and the trans. mount slightly to make it work.I mostly race the car so I wasn't too worried about losing 5th, but it would be nice in a daily driver. __________________ '51 Ford 557 cid BBFord

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