Roll Cage

horsewithnoname · 01-15-2001, 01:19 PM

Has anybody built there own? I have access to a bender and a notcher, and can weld good enough to get it to a shop to have the final welds put on. Do ya'al think it is worth it, or am I going to spend more on raw materials than I can buy one for? Thanks for the input.

Keith

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90 Lincoln LSC/90Gt,Roller 302 with 54cc 289 heads;Ported Lower,Cartech;MSD;Accel;
Motorsport;Autometer

84_GT350 · 01-15-2001, 01:24 PM

Why exatly do you want one? I was under the impression that they're kinda overkill for a street car that's not a 'vert. They do add some chassis rigidity, but so do subs....and for a fraction of the cost.

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1984 1/2 GT350 (#842 Hatchback w/ T-tops), 302HO, Comp cams Xtreme Energy cam, Carter 625cfm carb, Weiand Stealth intake, 1 5/8" MAC unequal shorties, 2 1/2" MAC Prochamber H-pipe, Flowmaster 2 chambers, KYBs, 16"x8" 4 lug Cobra Rs, Falken 245/45ZR16s

Jeff Chambers · 01-15-2001, 05:11 PM

S&W offers a 6/8 pt for $149.00. I would think that would be hard to beat in terms of raw materials and your time just to cut/notch/bend/fit your own. Its what I've got in my car. If you watch their site religiously, you'll see they run a $99 deal about twice a year.

You can see my S&W kit at our site under the Tech Articles area.

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Jeff Chambers
Trophy Stock #3
11.97 Seconds / 114.5 MPH
Chambers Racing Team

horsewithnoname · 01-15-2001, 07:13 PM

Yes, it may be overkill in a "street car", but I have a 351 that I am building and have every intention of busting the magic 11.99 barrier. And I have seen a 13 second car wreck at a track, and to me, a cage is a worthwile investment on any car that is raced.

Keith

pro88 · 01-18-2001, 10:26 PM

A roll bar(6 pt.) is a very good idea if you're going to the track often. I have seen 13 sec. cars roll at the track as well. A roll bar will definitely help with chassis flex, sub-frames will not do it alone. But the do help. If you're planning the 11 sec. zone you'll need at least a 6 pt. bar anyways. If you install an 8pt. you'll be good down into the 10's. Those Tech. guys will look your car over pretty good in the lanes. They'll tell you what you need and don't need when it comes to your bar. If you know somebody with a N.H.R.A. rulebook, it'll tell you everything you need to know about how to build your bar. I recommend also to just buy the bar from S&W, it'll be cheaper in the long run. If you do go S&W, then spend the extra $30.00 and get the 8 pt. because you know you'll want to go faster later.

horsewithnoname · 01-18-2001, 10:32 PM

Thanks for the input guys. I think I ma going to go ahead and get the S&W 8pt kit. Thansk again for the help.

Keith

MiracleMax · 01-18-2001, 11:29 PM

Man, the magic 11.99 barrier. I'm glad to see there is still some sanity left in the world

I wuz getting the impression that anything less than a high 9 second car was for little punk 16 year olds with a DL still warm from the laminator. Then again people like to bull...errr...bench race alot don't they.

Rick 91GT · 01-19-2001, 01:04 PM

I just bought a S&W 8pt for my 91 GT becasue I know I'll be past the magic 11.99 barrier this spring, they were having a sale $109.00, I lived close enough to pick it up which saved a lot of money in shipping cost, I bought the swing out kit since my car see's a lot of street duty.

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My Ride Check Out My Site 91GT, Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60",Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes, 2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe, 2 1/2" cat back, 12" K&N Filter, RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air, Ron Davis Radiator, Full Suspension,3:73's, Welds, Best on new motor-12.60 @ 108, no traction 1.98

rj_stang · 01-19-2001, 02:26 PM

If the track you are going to run at is strict they will enforce NHRA regulations. Which are: Roll bar for covertable runing faster then 13.99s, and other cars at 11.99s it is acceptable for cars running as low as 10.00s. aslong as no mod has been done to the firewall and floorboards. If the f/w of floor was moded, then a full cage is required beginning at 10.99s. Full cage required if your running 9.99s or faster and 135mph or faster (regardless of et). These are NHRA specs and if you are 9.99s or 135mph or faster your cage has to be inspected and certified every 3 years.

horsewithnoname · 01-23-2001, 07:42 PM

Man the 10.99 barrier. I'll have to settle for the 11.99 for now. Don't think I'll be breaking that one anytime soon. Thanks for the breakdown of the rules though. Definatly good info to know.

Keith

01-15-2001, 01:19 PM	#1
horsewithnoname Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Abilene TXUSA Posts: 104	Roll Cage Has anybody built there own? I have access to a bender and a notcher, and can weld good enough to get it to a shop to have the final welds put on. Do ya'al think it is worth it, or am I going to spend more on raw materials than I can buy one for? Thanks for the input. Keith ------------------ 90 Lincoln LSC/90Gt,Roller 302 with 54cc 289 heads;Ported Lower,Cartech;MSD;Accel; Motorsport;Autometer

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01-15-2001, 01:24 PM	#2
84_GT350 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Overland Park, KS, USA Posts: 1,631	Why exatly do you want one? I was under the impression that they're kinda overkill for a street car that's not a 'vert. They do add some chassis rigidity, but so do subs....and for a fraction of the cost. ------------------ 1984 1/2 GT350 (#842 Hatchback w/ T-tops), 302HO, Comp cams Xtreme Energy cam, Carter 625cfm carb, Weiand Stealth intake, 1 5/8" MAC unequal shorties, 2 1/2" MAC Prochamber H-pipe, Flowmaster 2 chambers, KYBs, 16"x8" 4 lug Cobra Rs, Falken 245/45ZR16s

01-15-2001, 05:11 PM	#3
Jeff Chambers Moderator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milan, OH Posts: 2,699	S&W offers a 6/8 pt for $149.00. I would think that would be hard to beat in terms of raw materials and your time just to cut/notch/bend/fit your own. Its what I've got in my car. If you watch their site religiously, you'll see they run a $99 deal about twice a year. You can see my S&W kit at our site under the Tech Articles area. ------------------ Jeff Chambers Trophy Stock #3 11.97 Seconds / 114.5 MPH Chambers Racing Team

01-15-2001, 07:13 PM	#4
horsewithnoname Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Abilene TXUSA Posts: 104	Yes, it may be overkill in a "street car", but I have a 351 that I am building and have every intention of busting the magic 11.99 barrier. And I have seen a 13 second car wreck at a track, and to me, a cage is a worthwile investment on any car that is raced. Keith

01-18-2001, 10:26 PM	#5
pro88 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: roseburg, oregon Posts: 87	A roll bar(6 pt.) is a very good idea if you're going to the track often. I have seen 13 sec. cars roll at the track as well. A roll bar will definitely help with chassis flex, sub-frames will not do it alone. But the do help. If you're planning the 11 sec. zone you'll need at least a 6 pt. bar anyways. If you install an 8pt. you'll be good down into the 10's. Those Tech. guys will look your car over pretty good in the lanes. They'll tell you what you need and don't need when it comes to your bar. If you know somebody with a N.H.R.A. rulebook, it'll tell you everything you need to know about how to build your bar. I recommend also to just buy the bar from S&W, it'll be cheaper in the long run. If you do go S&W, then spend the extra $30.00 and get the 8 pt. because you know you'll want to go faster later.

01-18-2001, 10:32 PM	#6
horsewithnoname Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Abilene TXUSA Posts: 104	Thanks for the input guys. I think I ma going to go ahead and get the S&W 8pt kit. Thansk again for the help. Keith

01-18-2001, 11:29 PM	#7
MiracleMax Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Hayes, Va, USA Posts: 798	Man, the magic 11.99 barrier. I'm glad to see there is still some sanity left in the world I wuz getting the impression that anything less than a high 9 second car was for little punk 16 year olds with a DL still warm from the laminator. Then again people like to bull...errr...bench race alot don't they.

01-19-2001, 01:04 PM	#8
Rick 91GT Procharged! Join Date: May 1999 Location: Hanover, PA Posts: 1,539	I just bought a S&W 8pt for my 91 GT becasue I know I'll be past the magic 11.99 barrier this spring, they were having a sale $109.00, I lived close enough to pick it up which saved a lot of money in shipping cost, I bought the swing out kit since my car see's a lot of street duty. ------------------ My Ride Check Out My Site 91GT, Holley SysteMAX II Kit-Heads 2.02" x 1.60",Full MAC exhaust 1-5/8" Long tubes, 2-1/2" O.R H-Pipe, 2 1/2" cat back, 12" K&N Filter, RNH PERFORMANCE Ram Air, Ron Davis Radiator, Full Suspension,3:73's, Welds, Best on new motor-12.60 @ 108, no traction 1.98

01-19-2001, 02:26 PM	#9
rj_stang Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Villa Park, IL Posts: 36	If the track you are going to run at is strict they will enforce NHRA regulations. Which are: Roll bar for covertable runing faster then 13.99s, and other cars at 11.99s it is acceptable for cars running as low as 10.00s. aslong as no mod has been done to the firewall and floorboards. If the f/w of floor was moded, then a full cage is required beginning at 10.99s. Full cage required if your running 9.99s or faster and 135mph or faster (regardless of et). These are NHRA specs and if you are 9.99s or 135mph or faster your cage has to be inspected and certified every 3 years.

01-23-2001, 07:42 PM	#10
horsewithnoname Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Abilene TXUSA Posts: 104	Man the 10.99 barrier. I'll have to settle for the 11.99 for now. Don't think I'll be breaking that one anytime soon. Thanks for the breakdown of the rules though. Definatly good info to know. Keith