TFS TW Heads & what do I need with them?

Stang Runner · 07-27-2001, 06:12 PM

Ok I will be getting TFS TW Heads & A Holley Intake. What do I need for it to work well. I was Thinking 75MM TB, 30lbs Accel Injectors to go with my DFI. Rocker Arms 1.6 Is that the right ones? Do I need new Valve covers? Can I use the stock cam I will not have the $$$ right now for it. O I have a 255 fuel Pump and will get a regulator for it soon. Thanks Guys!

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14.62@96.9 Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C
Drive Train: 3.55, World Class T-5, Lakewood Bell housing, Adjustable Clutch Cable, AL Driveshaft
Suspension: MAC Control Arms, Maximum Motorsports Front Grip Package, H&R Sport Springs, Bilstein Shocks
Exhaust: 1 5/8 UN-Equal Length Mac Headers, X-pipe W\cats, Edelbrock cat\back
Cooling: 3 Core Radiator

Skyman · 07-28-2001, 02:06 AM

DFI? I hope you ment EFI. 70mm TB is more than enough. 24lb injectors are more than enough. You'll need TFS pushrods and 1.6 rockers. You can use the stock valve covers and the stock cam if you want. Good luck, sounds like a good combo.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
1.69 60'

jwboner · 07-28-2001, 03:54 AM

TFS heads d oneed new pushrod lenghths. 30 lb injectorss are too big with a stock cam. DFI could make it work with a tune/reprogram. The stock rocker arms will probably fit under stock valve covers, if noyt you should go to tall aluminum, if possible.

Stang Runner · 07-28-2001, 08:16 AM

Skyman Accel DFI THAT is right

They Now make a kit for the mustang The reason I would like the 30lb Is I will be Haveing the heads and Intake ported some time. Well I gess I will need a new Cam for the 30LB in jectors Should I get 26lb ones maybe? With the DFI I need not have Mass air, That why I am getting it. I will get rid of my steel mounts.

Skyman · 07-28-2001, 11:09 PM

Cool. DFI it is then. Just dont usually see it on mild setups like this. Anyways 70mm TB, 24lb injectors. You got everyting else right. YOu cant use the stock rockers by the way.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
1.69 60'

Stang Runner · 07-29-2001, 06:30 AM

Thanks Skyman Next week I will get the 70MM TB The reson I want the 30lb is I will be making a 12-13.1 302 some time I think that with the DFI I think I can run it with 30lb with out alot of power loss Thanks guys I will find out more before I get them.

SaleenGTS · 07-29-2001, 10:26 AM

30#'ers will be ok...you will just have to lean it out a bit. 75mm TB....GOOD GOD NO. A 255 lph pump will be MOOOORE than enough. You definately need a regulator, or else you will drown out your car, and smell like Texaco when you go out on dates

You will need a different cam eventually too.

jwboner You can't use stock RR's with TW's. I originally used FRPP 1.6rr's, but had to do some grinding on my valve covers.

I also use 6.75" pushrods, but you need to check yours yourself.

Good Luck

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Dustin
89 Saleen GT Sport,428 rwhp,TFS Street Heat Intake,TFS TW Heads,TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's

12.3@119

http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg

moponys · 07-29-2001, 10:55 PM

You might not be able to use your stock valve covers. I just put a set of TFS Twisted Wedge heads on a 94 5.0 and the valve covers didn't fit. You might need to get a 3/8" phenolic spacer and if you do that, you might need to lenghten your egr tube that connects off of your passenger side header.

1.6 rockers are the correct ones. The 1.72 were too big for my car. I have a 190lph fuel pump with 24lbs injectors which seems to be good for my combo. What year stang do you have?

Piston · 07-30-2001, 12:31 PM

I would not run with the stock cam. Unless of course you are doing all the work yourself. It costs too much to put one in at a later time. It will be much cheaper to replace it now.

exgmguy · 07-30-2001, 04:24 PM

what I ran into with TFS stud mount heads. (pedestals are no longer produced anyway...) New tall valve covers to clear the rockers. Now the upper intake and the throttle linkage hit the valve covers. I bought a 1" intake spacer. Crap!!! now I need a cowl hood because the engine is too tall!

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1988 Mustang GT
11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01)
1992 BadAzz Wrangler
1993 Explorer

Stang Runner · 07-30-2001, 05:39 PM

I have a pin on hood with a 1 1/2 rise so I think I will clear it I will get some new vale covers I will be doing the work My self so I will try to use the stock cam tell i get money for a new 1.

fastang · 07-30-2001, 08:00 PM

Sky, how did you use your stock valve covers?

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95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

SaleenGTS · 07-31-2001, 01:46 AM

I use stock(Saleen) Valve Covers. All I had to do was grind off the walls inside the valve covers where the baffle screws in. Then I also had to grind off some of the pillars inside, and now they fit just fine. Cheap fix.

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Dustin
89 Saleen GT Sport,428 rwhp,TFS Street Heat Intake,TFS TW Heads,TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's

12.3@119

http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg

exgmguy · 07-31-2001, 02:37 PM

Dustin, do you have stud mount heads or the pedestals?

My friends 91 notch runs great with the stock cam. It is an unstripped car with stock TFS heads, Cobra intake, 24 lb injectors, equal length headers, H- 2 1/2 cat back, 65 mm tb, pulleys and a cold air kit. It is also a T-5 car with 3.73's.

He runs consistent 12.50's @ 108 on worn slicks and 12.9-13.0's on a 235/15 drag radial on 10 hole phone dials all around.

His stock cammed car runs damn strong.

SaleenGTS · 07-31-2001, 05:24 PM

Rob, I have the Stud mount.

Man 108 for a stock cammed car is hella fast!!

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Dustin
89 Saleen GT Sport,428 rwhp,TFS Street Heat Intake,TFS TW Heads,TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's

12.3@119

http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg

07-27-2001, 06:12 PM	#1
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	TFS TW Heads & what do I need with them? Ok I will be getting TFS TW Heads & A Holley Intake. What do I need for it to work well. I was Thinking 75MM TB, 30lbs Accel Injectors to go with my DFI. Rocker Arms 1.6 Is that the right ones? Do I need new Valve covers? Can I use the stock cam I will not have the $$$ right now for it. O I have a 255 fuel Pump and will get a regulator for it soon. Thanks Guys! ------------------ 14.62@96.9 Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C Drive Train: 3.55, World Class T-5, Lakewood Bell housing, Adjustable Clutch Cable, AL Driveshaft Suspension: MAC Control Arms, Maximum Motorsports Front Grip Package, H&R Sport Springs, Bilstein Shocks Exhaust: 1 5/8 UN-Equal Length Mac Headers, X-pipe W\cats, Edelbrock cat\back Cooling: 3 Core Radiator

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07-28-2001, 02:06 AM	#2
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	DFI? I hope you ment EFI. 70mm TB is more than enough. 24lb injectors are more than enough. You'll need TFS pushrods and 1.6 rockers. You can use the stock valve covers and the stock cam if you want. Good luck, sounds like a good combo. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60'

07-28-2001, 03:54 AM	#3
jwboner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Under the hood Posts: 164	TFS heads d oneed new pushrod lenghths. 30 lb injectorss are too big with a stock cam. DFI could make it work with a tune/reprogram. The stock rocker arms will probably fit under stock valve covers, if noyt you should go to tall aluminum, if possible.

07-28-2001, 08:16 AM	#4
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Skyman Accel DFI THAT is right They Now make a kit for the mustang The reason I would like the 30lb Is I will be Haveing the heads and Intake ported some time. Well I gess I will need a new Cam for the 30LB in jectors Should I get 26lb ones maybe? With the DFI I need not have Mass air, That why I am getting it. I will get rid of my steel mounts.

07-28-2001, 11:09 PM	#5
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Cool. DFI it is then. Just dont usually see it on mild setups like this. Anyways 70mm TB, 24lb injectors. You got everyting else right. YOu cant use the stock rockers by the way. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor 1.69 60'

07-29-2001, 06:30 AM	#6
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Thanks Skyman Next week I will get the 70MM TB The reson I want the 30lb is I will be making a 12-13.1 302 some time I think that with the DFI I think I can run it with 30lb with out alot of power loss Thanks guys I will find out more before I get them.

07-29-2001, 10:26 AM	#7
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	30#'ers will be ok...you will just have to lean it out a bit. 75mm TB....GOOD GOD NO. A 255 lph pump will be MOOOORE than enough. You definately need a regulator, or else you will drown out your car, and smell like Texaco when you go out on dates You will need a different cam eventually too. jwboner You can't use stock RR's with TW's. I originally used FRPP 1.6rr's, but had to do some grinding on my valve covers. I also use 6.75" pushrods, but you need to check yours yourself. Good Luck ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,428 rwhp,TFS Street Heat Intake,TFS TW Heads,TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 12.3@119 http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg

07-29-2001, 10:55 PM	#8
moponys Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Antioch, CA 94521 Posts: 181	You might not be able to use your stock valve covers. I just put a set of TFS Twisted Wedge heads on a 94 5.0 and the valve covers didn't fit. You might need to get a 3/8" phenolic spacer and if you do that, you might need to lenghten your egr tube that connects off of your passenger side header. 1.6 rockers are the correct ones. The 1.72 were too big for my car. I have a 190lph fuel pump with 24lbs injectors which seems to be good for my combo. What year stang do you have?

07-30-2001, 12:31 PM	#9
Piston Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 77	I would not run with the stock cam. Unless of course you are doing all the work yourself. It costs too much to put one in at a later time. It will be much cheaper to replace it now.

07-30-2001, 04:24 PM	#10
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	what I ran into with TFS stud mount heads. (pedestals are no longer produced anyway...) New tall valve covers to clear the rockers. Now the upper intake and the throttle linkage hit the valve covers. I bought a 1" intake spacer. Crap!!! now I need a cowl hood because the engine is too tall! ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer

07-30-2001, 05:39 PM	#11
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	I have a pin on hood with a 1 1/2 rise so I think I will clear it I will get some new vale covers I will be doing the work My self so I will try to use the stock cam tell i get money for a new 1.

07-30-2001, 08:00 PM	#12
fastang Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: santa ana ca Posts: 1,349	Sky, how did you use your stock valve covers? ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, milled heads, 355's K&N, BBK Longtubes, Flowmaster cat back, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors

07-31-2001, 01:46 AM	#13
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	I use stock(Saleen) Valve Covers. All I had to do was grind off the walls inside the valve covers where the baffle screws in. Then I also had to grind off some of the pillars inside, and now they fit just fine. Cheap fix. ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,428 rwhp,TFS Street Heat Intake,TFS TW Heads,TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 12.3@119 http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg

07-31-2001, 02:37 PM	#14
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Dustin, do you have stud mount heads or the pedestals? My friends 91 notch runs great with the stock cam. It is an unstripped car with stock TFS heads, Cobra intake, 24 lb injectors, equal length headers, H- 2 1/2 cat back, 65 mm tb, pulleys and a cold air kit. It is also a T-5 car with 3.73's. He runs consistent 12.50's @ 108 on worn slicks and 12.9-13.0's on a 235/15 drag radial on 10 hole phone dials all around. His stock cammed car runs damn strong.

07-31-2001, 05:24 PM	#15
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	Rob, I have the Stud mount. Man 108 for a stock cammed car is hella fast!! ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,428 rwhp,TFS Street Heat Intake,TFS TW Heads,TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 12.3@119 http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg