Starter Wont Stop

raptor · 05-30-2003, 04:26 PM

I started my car today and the starter keeped running. I went and bought a new solinoid. Put all the wires where they came from. When I attached the battery the starter wanted to go the keys weren't even in the car. I then took all the wires off the solinoid except the positive led and the + going to the starter the starter still wanted to go. What is going on here?

lx5091 · 05-30-2003, 05:52 PM

.....christine?......

ChunkFunky · 05-30-2003, 06:00 PM

sounds like it could be the ignition switch
-as

FritzDaKat · 05-30-2003, 06:53 PM

Yup. OR a sudden wiring flaw ? Grab the Ohm meter

LayanRubr · 05-30-2003, 06:59 PM

I had the same problem I think, it was the relay we had to replace. Cost $4.95

Frickin scary when your starter sits there and drains your battery and not much you can do.

raptor · 05-30-2003, 08:27 PM

Which relay the one on the soliniod?

PKRWUD · 05-31-2003, 01:25 AM

You said you attached only the battery cable and the cable going to the starter, and it cranked over. If that's true, you got a bad solenoid. There is nothing else involved at that point.

The battery cable attached to one solenoid post, and the starter cable attached to the other, the only way power can go from one to the other is if the solenoid closes, and it can't without another voltage source and a ground. The solenoid is bad.

Take care,
~Chris

LayanRubr · 05-31-2003, 03:50 AM

Yah what PKRWUD said

Hethj7 · 05-31-2003, 01:31 PM

I fought this same problem for a long time. I ended up having to replace my starter along with the solenoid to finally correct it. That was after going through about 4 solenoids and replacing the ignition switch. Good luck!

MustangNewb · 05-31-2003, 01:49 PM

I'm gonna go with the Christine theory, call a priest dude and keep your dog inside the house.

Hethj7 · 05-31-2003, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MustangNewb
I'm gonna go with the Christine theory, call a priest dude and keep your dog inside the house.

Lost me with this Christine stuff....

raptor · 05-31-2003, 10:57 PM

No priest needed. I fried the new solinoid. Removed the starter and tested it . Starter was fried also. So I replaced the starter but have to wait until Monday for a new solinoid so I'm starting it with a screwdriver.

Thanks for your replies.

MustangNewb · 06-01-2003, 12:55 AM

Christine is the name of a Stephen King novel/movie. It's about an evil possesed car, I think it was a Mustang in the movie, I'm sure it was a Plymouth Fury in the book.

Go to Blockbuster and ask for the movie, better yet, read the book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

Movie was so-so for it's time, book is timeless.

jimberg · 06-01-2003, 08:09 AM

The solenoid is attached to the starter. Are you sure you're not talking about the ignition relay which is mounted by the coil near the strut tower on the driver side?

Mach 1 · 06-01-2003, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimberg
The solenoid is attached to the starter. Are you sure you're not talking about the ignition relay which is mounted by the coil near the strut tower on the driver side?

A relay and a solenoid are basically the same thing in electronic speak, and the terms are usually interchangeable.

ChunkFunky · 06-01-2003, 12:57 PM

isnt a solenoid somethign that takes electrical energy and converts it to mechanical motion.. like an electric lock or something of the like... is it like an on or off type of thing?
-as

Mach 1 · 06-01-2003, 02:35 PM

Yeah, and a relay does the same thing. A solenoid is basically a heavy duty relay.

I just finished an electronics class and the instructor explained what the only difference between a solenoid and a relay was, but I didnt really understand what he was talking about.

I think the solenoid has the armature drawn into the central hollow coil area, which usually isnt the case with a relay. The principle of operation is the same.

Like your door lock actuator would be a good example, the lock mechanism is retracted into the coil part of the soleniod. I guess a relay would just activate some contacts, and not have the moving part retracted or extended from the actual core of the coil inside.

The relay/soleniod on the strut tower brace used for starting is a relay, but might be constructed in a way where it could be considered a solenoid as well. i never tore one down.

LayanRubr · 06-01-2003, 04:58 PM

Good info their Mach 1 and good to hear you got it working so far bud.

jimberg · 06-01-2003, 05:27 PM

A solenoid has a core that moves when electrical current is applied. The core physically comes in contact with the switch it actuates. A relay is any device that can remotely activate a device based on an electrical signal. All solenoids are relays but all relays are not solenoids. You can call the thing on the starter and by the strut tower a relay, but you can only call the thing on the starter a solenoid. Does that make sense?

Mach 1 · 06-01-2003, 05:52 PM

so the only one with a moveable core is the solenoid. yeah, that makes sense, although i cant picture why you would want a moveable core?

05-30-2003, 04:26 PM	#1
raptor Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Dundalk, Ont, Canada Posts: 129	Starter Wont Stop I started my car today and the starter keeped running. I went and bought a new solinoid. Put all the wires where they came from. When I attached the battery the starter wanted to go the keys weren't even in the car. I then took all the wires off the solinoid except the positive led and the + going to the starter the starter still wanted to go. What is going on here? __________________ 88GT, 331Stroker,FMS 70mm TB,77mm Pro-M mass air,Ram Air,K&N,GT40/Exployer Intakes,Gasket Matched,FMS 24lb injectors,Crane hi-6 ignition system,B303 cam,Crane 1.6RR,FMS underdrive pullies,351W/heads,port/polish,FMS h/f oil pump,Hedman headers,2 1/2in H pipe Flow Masters,190lph Holley fuel pump,Center Force dual friction,FMS 3.55,Hurst short throw/ trigger T handle,Subframe connectors,Welded torque boxes.

05-30-2003, 05:52 PM	#2
lx5091 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fall River, MA Posts: 467	.....christine?...... __________________ '02 Explorer XLT 4.0L --Nice Vehicle '97 Saturn SL1--Soon to be ditched for a Ford!

05-30-2003, 06:00 PM	#3
ChunkFunky Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tustin, CA Posts: 465	sounds like it could be the ignition switch -as __________________ '89 GT Convertible: TFS TW Heads, TFS Street Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FMS 1.6 RRs, 24# Injectors, Pro-M 75mm MAF, No Name CAI, 3.73s, O/R H-Pipe, FlowMasters, AOD w/ Trans-Go Shift Kit

05-30-2003, 06:59 PM	#5
LayanRubr Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Aggieland, Texas Posts: 297	I had the same problem I think, it was the relay we had to replace. Cost $4.95 Frickin scary when your starter sits there and drains your battery and not much you can do. __________________ 87 Mustang 5.0 (308) Notchback - The Blue Baron Rice Hater's Club member #20

05-30-2003, 08:27 PM	#6
raptor Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Dundalk, Ont, Canada Posts: 129	Which relay the one on the soliniod? __________________ 88GT, 331Stroker,FMS 70mm TB,77mm Pro-M mass air,Ram Air,K&N,GT40/Exployer Intakes,Gasket Matched,FMS 24lb injectors,Crane hi-6 ignition system,B303 cam,Crane 1.6RR,FMS underdrive pullies,351W/heads,port/polish,FMS h/f oil pump,Hedman headers,2 1/2in H pipe Flow Masters,190lph Holley fuel pump,Center Force dual friction,FMS 3.55,Hurst short throw/ trigger T handle,Subframe connectors,Welded torque boxes.

05-30-2003, 06:53 PM	#4
FritzDaKat Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Franklin Park IL Posts: 57	Yup. OR a sudden wiring flaw ? Grab the Ohm meter

05-31-2003, 01:25 AM	#7
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	You said you attached only the battery cable and the cable going to the starter, and it cranked over. If that's true, you got a bad solenoid. There is nothing else involved at that point. The battery cable attached to one solenoid post, and the starter cable attached to the other, the only way power can go from one to the other is if the solenoid closes, and it can't without another voltage source and a ground. The solenoid is bad. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

05-31-2003, 03:50 AM	#8
LayanRubr Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Aggieland, Texas Posts: 297	Yah what PKRWUD said __________________ 87 Mustang 5.0 (308) Notchback - The Blue Baron Rice Hater's Club member #20

05-31-2003, 01:31 PM	#9
Hethj7 Mizzou Tigers Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: weston, MO United States Posts: 1,455	I fought this same problem for a long time. I ended up having to replace my starter along with the solenoid to finally correct it. That was after going through about 4 solenoids and replacing the ignition switch. Good luck! __________________ 2006 Mustang GT 1990 LX GT-40 motor 262 horsepower, 307ft-lbs (sold but forever loved) 1998 Contour SVT Rice Haters Club Member #244

05-31-2003, 01:49 PM	#10
MustangNewb Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Queens, New York Posts: 43	I'm gonna go with the Christine theory, call a priest dude and keep your dog inside the house. __________________ Help, I drive a 1989 Mustang LX 2.3L w/ an Automatic Tran

05-31-2003, 10:57 PM	#12
raptor Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Dundalk, Ont, Canada Posts: 129	No priest needed. I fried the new solinoid. Removed the starter and tested it . Starter was fried also. So I replaced the starter but have to wait until Monday for a new solinoid so I'm starting it with a screwdriver. Thanks for your replies. __________________ 88GT, 331Stroker,FMS 70mm TB,77mm Pro-M mass air,Ram Air,K&N,GT40/Exployer Intakes,Gasket Matched,FMS 24lb injectors,Crane hi-6 ignition system,B303 cam,Crane 1.6RR,FMS underdrive pullies,351W/heads,port/polish,FMS h/f oil pump,Hedman headers,2 1/2in H pipe Flow Masters,190lph Holley fuel pump,Center Force dual friction,FMS 3.55,Hurst short throw/ trigger T handle,Subframe connectors,Welded torque boxes.

06-01-2003, 12:55 AM	#13
MustangNewb Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Queens, New York Posts: 43	Christine is the name of a Stephen King novel/movie. It's about an evil possesed car, I think it was a Mustang in the movie, I'm sure it was a Plymouth Fury in the book. Go to Blockbuster and ask for the movie, better yet, read the book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Movie was so-so for it's time, book is timeless. __________________ Help, I drive a 1989 Mustang LX 2.3L w/ an Automatic Tran

06-01-2003, 08:09 AM	#14
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	The solenoid is attached to the starter. Are you sure you're not talking about the ignition relay which is mounted by the coil near the strut tower on the driver side? __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

06-01-2003, 12:57 PM	#16
ChunkFunky Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tustin, CA Posts: 465	isnt a solenoid somethign that takes electrical energy and converts it to mechanical motion.. like an electric lock or something of the like... is it like an on or off type of thing? -as __________________ '89 GT Convertible: TFS TW Heads, TFS Street Intake, TFS Stage 1 Cam, FMS 1.6 RRs, 24# Injectors, Pro-M 75mm MAF, No Name CAI, 3.73s, O/R H-Pipe, FlowMasters, AOD w/ Trans-Go Shift Kit

06-01-2003, 02:35 PM	#17
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Yeah, and a relay does the same thing. A solenoid is basically a heavy duty relay. I just finished an electronics class and the instructor explained what the only difference between a solenoid and a relay was, but I didnt really understand what he was talking about. I think the solenoid has the armature drawn into the central hollow coil area, which usually isnt the case with a relay. The principle of operation is the same. Like your door lock actuator would be a good example, the lock mechanism is retracted into the coil part of the soleniod. I guess a relay would just activate some contacts, and not have the moving part retracted or extended from the actual core of the coil inside. The relay/soleniod on the strut tower brace used for starting is a relay, but might be constructed in a way where it could be considered a solenoid as well. i never tore one down. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

06-01-2003, 04:58 PM	#18
LayanRubr Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Aggieland, Texas Posts: 297	Good info their Mach 1 and good to hear you got it working so far bud. __________________ 87 Mustang 5.0 (308) Notchback - The Blue Baron Rice Hater's Club member #20

06-01-2003, 05:27 PM	#19
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	A solenoid has a core that moves when electrical current is applied. The core physically comes in contact with the switch it actuates. A relay is any device that can remotely activate a device based on an electrical signal. All solenoids are relays but all relays are not solenoids. You can call the thing on the starter and by the strut tower a relay, but you can only call the thing on the starter a solenoid. Does that make sense? __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

06-01-2003, 05:52 PM	#20
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	so the only one with a moveable core is the solenoid. yeah, that makes sense, although i cant picture why you would want a moveable core? __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

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