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Old 08-01-2004, 10:08 PM   #1
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Default Installed taurus fan..works great!!

I just finished wiring up my taurus fan today. Wow!! What a difference that makes.
I let the engine idle for a good 10 minutes and the temp. gauge never went past 170*
If I would have tried that before, it would have gone up to 220-230*
I didn't get a chance to road test it yet but I'm sure it will still work well if I can let idle without any problems.
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:15 PM   #2
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What year Taurus' have those fans? How hard is to to hook up without instructions?
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Any pics of the final product please. My flex a lite make me nuts
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Old 08-02-2004, 02:31 PM   #4
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What year Taurus' have those fans? How hard is to to hook up without instructions?
Any late 80's or early 90's fan from a 3.8L taurus will work. You will need a 75 amp relay because it draws a lot of current at start up. They also recommend a 3G alternator upgrade.
Here is a link that shows you what you need and how to wire it up. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...an/index.shtml

You don't need the adjustable fan controller if you don't want one.
Just wire a switch between terminal 86 and power.
I got my fan from a '94 taurus at the junkyard for $25
You only need to wire high speed.
The relay was about $30(shipping included) and I ordered that from www.bpg-inc.com
Don't bother with the local parts stores for one because they give you a blank look when you ask about a 75amp relay and don't understand why you would even need one that size.
The hardest part(for me) was fabricating the brackets to hold the fan. I had to get a buddy to do it for me because I'm not good at "making parts".
Also, if you have a 3 or 4 core radiator like I do, you will have to trim some of the shroud off the fan to get the clearance you need between the water pump and radiator. You only need about 1/2 clearance though.
It's a fairly simple job.


WHITE GT , I don't have the means to post any pics of my installation.(no digital camera)
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Old 08-02-2004, 02:45 PM   #5
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So what consumes more HP:

1. a 75 amp fan and it's drain on the alternator (taken into account the larger alternator necessary too)

2. The clutch fan assembly.

I'm all about lightening the load to the motor and making everything spin easier. I really dont supposed that an underdriven stock alternator is anywhere up to the task. How about low speed with the stocker?...
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Old 08-02-2004, 03:11 PM   #6
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So what consumes more HP:

1. a 75 amp fan and it's drain on the alternator (taken into account the larger alternator necessary too)

2. The clutch fan assembly.

I'm all about lightening the load to the motor and making everything spin easier. I really dont supposed that an underdriven stock alternator is anywhere up to the task. How about low speed with the stocker?...
I was not looking for the small HP gain. I'm all about getting enough air to flow across my radiator to keep it cool at idle.
I tried the stock clutch fan and also a flex fan without any success.
Stock fans are useless at highway speeds anyway.
An electric fan works only when you want it to and doesn't rob as much HP as a rotating fan off an engine does.
It probably also increases the life of the water pump.
A stock fan will never flow 2000+ cfm of air either.

The taurus fan only draws high amps for a millisecond and then draws about 35-40 amps. That's the reason behind the 75 amp relay.
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:48 PM   #7
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82gt,
What part number did u get for that relay?

If anyone is interested, I will post pictures of the custom shroud I have for my taurus fan (going in 65), hoped to have it in this week, but the side stripes have set me back time wise ....so hopefully next week.
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Old 08-02-2004, 07:09 PM   #8
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I used part #332-002-156

I wouldn't mind seeing your custom shroud.
Why did you need a custom shroud.....just out of curiousity?
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Old 08-02-2004, 08:55 PM   #9
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Glad to hear you got her cooling well.
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Old 08-02-2004, 11:55 PM   #10
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Yep...and Saturday she goes to the strip to see what she'll run
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Does anyone know how much current it will draw on the low setting and if the low setting is adequate to cool a mild NA motor? My clutchfan doesnt seem to be doing the job anymore, even with a new 3 core radiator. It will climb dangerously high in stop and go. I was going to do this mod but the 75 amp draw really scared me away.
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Old 08-03-2004, 02:22 PM   #12
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Low speed is useless.....forget about it.
You need the relay because of the high current it draws for the first millisecond of start up and then it levels out to about 40amps.
The taurus fan pulls about 2000cfm of air on high speed and about half of that on low which is not enough for even a stock V-8
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Old 08-03-2004, 05:39 PM   #13
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Crazypete, just go get you an aftermarket electric fan from the parts stores. I got a 16" fan for $75 and use it as a pusher. It cools my 351w very good. This fan only pulls like 13.6 amps. I tried to get 82GT to get one, but he had a hard time at the parts store. I am not knocking the taurus fan by any means, but 75 amps is a lot. Which like any other electric motor draws it most amps at startup
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If your afraid of the current the taurus fan pulls and don't have a high output alternator, like I do then do what ieatcamaros suggests. That would be your best bet.
On the other hand, if you have the alternator to handle the current draw, then don't worry about getting a taurus fan.
That's why every tech article about upgrading to a taurus fan strongly recommends an alternator upgrade.
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Old 08-03-2004, 09:12 PM   #15
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Low speed is useless.....forget about it.
You need the relay because of the high current it draws for the first millisecond of start up and then it levels out to about 40amps.
The taurus fan pulls about 2000cfm of air on high speed and about half of that on low which is not enough for even a stock V-8
The 3.8 Taurus fan pull a whole lot more than 2000cfm. That might be at the LOW setting. It's capable of nearly 4000cfm on the high setting.

Click here: http://www.dccontrol.com/kitsr1.htm

I have a 3.8 Taurus fan on my car with an FMS aluminum radiator (WAY overkill on my mild n/a motor, IMO) and when that fan kicks on, the temps drop in a hurry! I have it wired on high speed only. I suspect that low speed might be sufficient for a mild n/a motor depending on your radiator and climate. It might not work in South Florida, where I am.


Visit http://photos.yahoo.com/miamifiveoh and click on the Car Pictures folder for some pics of my setup and a rough sketch of my wiring schematic.

My suggestion would be to go with a used 3.8 Taurus fan (or SN95 GT OR Lincoln Mk VIII) and get the controller from www.dccontrol.com . You can pick up a used electric fan from any of the above vehicles for as little as $20 to maybe $75. Throw in the DCControl unit and you'll have a great setup.

The DCControl unit is great because it is a variable speed unit and eliminates the current spike when the fan first kicks on. The fan speed is continuously ramped up or down depending on temperature.

In any case, I HIGHLY recommend an alternator upgrade before going the electric fan route. Honestly, it was some of the best money I've spent on my car.

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I personally don't have a cooling problem right now, but that may change with the new engine on the horizon. But, my curiosity has the best of me. If you tell the "uninformed" at the parts counter that you need a fan relay for a '94 3.8 Taurus, whadda ya get? Is the factory relay enough to handle it, or are there wiring issues that we're not thinking of? Just curious, that's all!
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I personally don't have a cooling problem right now, but that may change with the new engine on the horizon. But, my curiosity has the best of me. If you tell the "uninformed" at the parts counter that you need a fan relay for a '94 3.8 Taurus, whadda ya get? Is the factory relay enough to handle it, or are there wiring issues that we're not thinking of? Just curious, that's all!
My thoughts exactly!! That why I say forget about a stock taurus relay and just get the 75amp unit from www.bpg-inc.com and be done with it.
With the current these fans pull, it's best do do it right.
Overkill is good when dealing with high currents like this.
I have a saying that goes like this: "It's better to HAVE and not need..... than to NEED and NOT HAVE "
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:57 AM   #18
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I built a custom shroud for mine, because no matter how I tried to think of ways to modify the stock taurus shroud, there was little to no way it was going to fit my mustang (65) radiator...and look decent for cruise-ins.
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with a little weather stripping, I think it will mount nicely..and look clean.
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Looks great rwhite....

What material did you use?
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