Clutch

Scrapla · 10-02-2002, 02:00 PM

Can anyone recomend a good aftermakretclutch I have a 90gt and working on gettin all the major bolt ons listend below and right now i'm gettin my tranny rebuilt and it has a stock clutch so I figured it would be a good time to look into gettin a nice aftermarket clutch i'm lookin to be on a reasonable budget nothing crazy and my cars a daily driver.

lx5091 · 10-02-2002, 04:58 PM

Alot of people goes crazy over Centerforce, another excellent choice and if I wanted to spend more than it cost for my King Cobra (which is awesome for my stock mustang) would be Clutchmaster, they are great. And moderately priced $140 for stock grade and $320 for better than a King Cobra up to $600. I don't have experience with these, but my local race shop MPE Racing in Taunton, MA swears by them. Gripping power per model ranges form stock to 400% over stock! www.clutchmasters.com

Scrapla · 10-02-2002, 08:05 PM

well I was looking with the centerforce 2 but I want some opnions cause i'm gonna be doin all the mojor bolt ons and maybe later down the road NOS or a Supercharge but for now I want a nice clutch to take to the strip once and a while but to drive everyday with to work just need some opinions and I dont wanna spend like $400

Coupe50h · 10-02-2002, 08:16 PM

I have the king cobra, i had all problems trying to install it myself, (gravel driveway, and rain) but i finally got an impact tool and knocked it out.......... it hooked well at the track last week, and i love the easier pedal, last clutch i had required alot of pedal effort (hd motsprt

) and im launching on e.t.m/t's at 4500+ stock motor.
i hear good things about SPEC clutches.
later....

Scrapla · 10-03-2002, 10:41 AM

So will the king cobra hold up to all my mods and maybe a fe more bolt ons later on?

saltzstang · 10-03-2002, 11:19 AM

King cobra has a little less pedal pressure,and more holding power. It has held up to my 175-juice.

10-03-2002, 12:10 PM

Centerforce dual friction has my vote. It handles my mild 306 & 150 shot of nitrous on slicks just fine. Easy pedal pushing & depending on how often (& far) you drive your stang...it should give you years of great performance.

MDM · 10-03-2002, 12:14 PM

I agree with Simi. The Centerforce DF is a great unit which will give you years of good service and will hold nicely under boost or the juice. Doing the job right now will servce you well moving forward. Don't forget to do a rear main seal and steel bearing retainer while you are in there. Try Summit for the DF kit. Should go for around $300./

Jthompson · 10-03-2002, 01:41 PM

I currently am on my second hd motorsport clutch, which is the same as the king cobra, but with more pedal effort. If you don't have a strong left leg, by the time you get out of your car, your leg will be shaking it is so stiff. That clutch is good, but I am a little bored of it. It won't hook up as good and chirp second without good gears, I have the 2.73 gears.

I am going to front the extra $$$ next time for the centerforce.

BTW, don't bother with any of that unless you get an aluminum quadrant with adjustable clutch cable also. Would suggest the steeda firewall adjuster-can use stock cable with it and just an alum. quad.

chris91LX · 10-03-2002, 03:05 PM

Spec Stage I or II. I just put a stage II in my car and the pedal feel is about a thousand times better than the CF I had in there before, and it's cheaper and comes with everything you need (t/o bearing, alignment tool, clutch disc and pressure plate). The CF only comes with the disc and pp, they want you to spend another $20 for their t/o bearing.

ultraflo · 10-03-2002, 03:32 PM

An adj. clutch cable and quadrant... and a firewall adjuster, are all really good items that need to be installed, IMO, to get the most out of your new clutch... not absolutely necessary, but a darn good idea!

The Spec unit sounds good to me, I have heard alot of good things about them... never tried one though. I ran the D/F setup on my old combo that went 11.70's on slicks and it held-up great!

And the steel bearing retainer just makes life so much easier... good thing to address while the tranny is out

Just reitterating what everyone has already said to stress the importance of taking care of all the weak-links found in the mustangs factory clutch setup.... if the money is there, I'd take care of all these things.

lx5091 · 10-03-2002, 03:38 PM

Is it the centerforce dual friction clutch that I've seen in other posts, that has the weights that keep getting out of balance? Some people have had to tear out the tranny a couple of times, 'til they got a good unit that was balanced. Is this the model?

Superpromustang · 10-03-2002, 05:47 PM

Honestly, if you want a good clutch for the price, go to autozone and get a cumberland clutch, when I running a 5-speed I blew three HD T-5's with that clutch and sold it with my fourth T-5, and that same clutch is still going strong in a convertible GT, but of course it's your car, that's just my input

2fcnbd · 10-03-2002, 06:24 PM

Best thing to do is rescearch. You must make your own decision
go to local tracks near your area. Ask questions like power out put,gears, traction devices. clutch pedal effort . Don't kown much
about spec ? But can say go with proven performer/centerforce d-f
they been doing it since 60- or-70's must be doing something right .Be sure to use aftermarket clutch quad. steeda seems
to be best quality. make sure to resurface flywheel inspect pilot bearing for excess wear/replace if possible,use locktite also.
other good advise stay away from local parts store junk!
bearing retainer excellent choice. better yet tremec 3550's
are real cheap.rear seal good time to change with all dissassembled! good luck?

87gt17815 · 10-03-2002, 07:37 PM

My vote goes to the SPEC stage I or II. A very good transmission builder by the name of Bob Hanlon who i talk to quite a bit once told me that a Centerforce is the killer of all stock T-5 trannys. Especially ones with a little power in front of them. If your T-5 is built it will be ok but those little weights shock the tranny when you power shift.

Scrapla · 10-03-2002, 09:39 PM

Well id like to thank everyone for the input and I broke it down to about two clutch's the centerforce 2 and SPec 2 , I'd love to go dual friction but cant really afford the tranny rebuild and the DF.

Scrapla · 10-03-2002, 10:26 PM

This is what I think i'm gonna invest in,

Steed quadrant and adjuster:$80
Rear Main seal and steel bearing retainer $60
Centerforce Dual Friction $289

Now I'm not sure if centerforce's kit includes the pressure plate and throw out bearing anyone familiar with there clutches?

2fcnbd · 10-03-2002, 10:40 PM

does not come with t/o/b 30.00extra

want more/imput on counter weights shocking trans when
they/only weighabout 4-5 grams problem not d/f t-5's are junk
so can't- knock centerforce d/f
would like more info on subject

chris91LX · 10-04-2002, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 2fcnbd
does not come with t/o/b 30.00extra

want more/imput on counter weights shocking trans when
they/only weighabout 4-5 grams problem not d/f t-5's are junk
so can't- knock centerforce d/f
would like more info on subject

Maybe not, but the weights did wear an uneven pattern, off center of the splines of the pressure plate on my CF DF I pulled this spring. The Spec is a much better value than the Centerforce. BTW the Spec I is comparable to the Centerforce, the Spec II is a step up. The Spec I kit is like $179 with the t/o bearing, clutch disc, pressure plate and the alignment tool.

429mustang · 10-04-2002, 11:37 AM

Do any local shops carry SPEC clutches? How is the stage 1 compared to the ford hd/kng cobra as far as holding strength?
Also, anyone know how much fluid a T-5 holds, I'm puting a clutch in tomorrow and I want to change/fill the fluid.

10-02-2002, 02:00 PM	#1
Scrapla Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 532	Clutch Can anyone recomend a good aftermakretclutch I have a 90gt and working on gettin all the major bolt ons listend below and right now i'm gettin my tranny rebuilt and it has a stock clutch so I figured it would be a good time to look into gettin a nice aftermarket clutch i'm lookin to be on a reasonable budget nothing crazy and my cars a daily driver. __________________ 90gt 347 and some bolt ons :-) RICE HATERS MEMBER #73

10-02-2002, 04:58 PM	#2
lx5091 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fall River, MA Posts: 467	Alot of people goes crazy over Centerforce, another excellent choice and if I wanted to spend more than it cost for my King Cobra (which is awesome for my stock mustang) would be Clutchmaster, they are great. And moderately priced $140 for stock grade and $320 for better than a King Cobra up to $600. I don't have experience with these, but my local race shop MPE Racing in Taunton, MA swears by them. Gripping power per model ranges form stock to 400% over stock! www.clutchmasters.com __________________ '02 Explorer XLT 4.0L --Nice Vehicle '97 Saturn SL1--Soon to be ditched for a Ford! Last edited by lx5091; 10-02-2002 at 05:07 PM..

10-02-2002, 08:05 PM	#3
Scrapla Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 532	well I was looking with the centerforce 2 but I want some opnions cause i'm gonna be doin all the mojor bolt ons and maybe later down the road NOS or a Supercharge but for now I want a nice clutch to take to the strip once and a while but to drive everyday with to work just need some opinions and I dont wanna spend like $400 __________________ 90gt 347 and some bolt ons :-) RICE HATERS MEMBER #73

10-02-2002, 08:16 PM	#4
Coupe50h Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 957	I have the king cobra, i had all problems trying to install it myself, (gravel driveway, and rain) but i finally got an impact tool and knocked it out.......... it hooked well at the track last week, and i love the easier pedal, last clutch i had required alot of pedal effort (hd motsprt ) and im launching on e.t.m/t's at 4500+ stock motor. i hear good things about SPEC clutches. later.... __________________ X-Texas highway patrol ssp 1990 coupe - exploder Gt-40 iron heads, Explorer intake, 19 lber's. E-cam. crane 1.7 rollers. 190fp. 75mm maf. 65mm tb, tubular subframe connectors, mac cai, Asp crank pulley, T-5, king cobra clutch, flowtech 1-5/8 unequals, mac X-pipe Frpp driveshaft, lakewood Lca's. race weight 3,160 12.69 @ 107.35, 1.71 60' 26x8.5 drag's 3.90 gear 13.20 @ 106.91 - 235/60/15 firestones 2.3 60' 3.27 gear

10-03-2002, 10:41 AM	#5
Scrapla Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 532	So will the king cobra hold up to all my mods and maybe a fe more bolt ons later on? __________________ 90gt 347 and some bolt ons :-) RICE HATERS MEMBER #73

10-03-2002, 11:19 AM	#6
saltzstang Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: southeast texas Posts: 90	King cobra has a little less pedal pressure,and more holding power. It has held up to my 175-juice. __________________ AFR 1492 heads,Track Heat Intake, d.s.s super pro bullet 331, lakewood bell, king cobra, 3550 ,UPR shifter, aluminum shaft, 4.10, 31-spline, spool,hoosier27x10, moroso ds-2, 175-juice, egt...11.40 on motor spray pass coming.

10-03-2002, 12:10 PM	#7
Simi Stang Guest Posts: n/a	Clutch Centerforce dual friction has my vote. It handles my mild 306 & 150 shot of nitrous on slicks just fine. Easy pedal pushing & depending on how often (& far) you drive your stang...it should give you years of great performance.

10-03-2002, 12:14 PM	#8
MDM Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Flemington, NJ USA Posts: 166	I agree with Simi. The Centerforce DF is a great unit which will give you years of good service and will hold nicely under boost or the juice. Doing the job right now will servce you well moving forward. Don't forget to do a rear main seal and steel bearing retainer while you are in there. Try Summit for the DF kit. Should go for around $300./

10-03-2002, 01:41 PM	#9
Jthompson Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Corona, Ca. Posts: 80	I currently am on my second hd motorsport clutch, which is the same as the king cobra, but with more pedal effort. If you don't have a strong left leg, by the time you get out of your car, your leg will be shaking it is so stiff. That clutch is good, but I am a little bored of it. It won't hook up as good and chirp second without good gears, I have the 2.73 gears. I am going to front the extra $$$ next time for the centerforce. BTW, don't bother with any of that unless you get an aluminum quadrant with adjustable clutch cable also. Would suggest the steeda firewall adjuster-can use stock cable with it and just an alum. quad. __________________ Jeremy 1986 Mustang GT Convertible 1972 2 door 302 Maverick 1994 POS head gasket clubbed broke down T-bird with $6000 left to pay off

10-03-2002, 03:05 PM	#10
chris91LX Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Suburban Chicago, Hanover Park Posts: 695	Spec Stage I or II. I just put a stage II in my car and the pedal feel is about a thousand times better than the CF I had in there before, and it's cheaper and comes with everything you need (t/o bearing, alignment tool, clutch disc and pressure plate). The CF only comes with the disc and pp, they want you to spend another $20 for their t/o bearing. __________________ My Ford Club http://www.midwestfords.org/ Best time N/A 12.9 @ 107 1.711 60' 125 shot - 12.04 @ 113 1.59 60'

10-03-2002, 03:32 PM	#11
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	An adj. clutch cable and quadrant... and a firewall adjuster, are all really good items that need to be installed, IMO, to get the most out of your new clutch... not absolutely necessary, but a darn good idea! The Spec unit sounds good to me, I have heard alot of good things about them... never tried one though. I ran the D/F setup on my old combo that went 11.70's on slicks and it held-up great! And the steel bearing retainer just makes life so much easier... good thing to address while the tranny is out Just reitterating what everyone has already said to stress the importance of taking care of all the weak-links found in the mustangs factory clutch setup.... if the money is there, I'd take care of all these things. __________________ RLS Racing! 93 LX 9.20 @ 147mph 03 Mach 1 12.39 @ 116mph

10-03-2002, 03:38 PM	#12
lx5091 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fall River, MA Posts: 467	Is it the centerforce dual friction clutch that I've seen in other posts, that has the weights that keep getting out of balance? Some people have had to tear out the tranny a couple of times, 'til they got a good unit that was balanced. Is this the model? __________________ '02 Explorer XLT 4.0L --Nice Vehicle '97 Saturn SL1--Soon to be ditched for a Ford!

10-03-2002, 05:47 PM	#13
Superpromustang Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carthage, MO Posts: 59	Honestly, if you want a good clutch for the price, go to autozone and get a cumberland clutch, when I running a 5-speed I blew three HD T-5's with that clutch and sold it with my fourth T-5, and that same clutch is still going strong in a convertible GT, but of course it's your car, that's just my input

10-03-2002, 06:24 PM	#14
2fcnbd Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: tampa, fla Posts: 6	clutch ? Best thing to do is rescearch. You must make your own decision go to local tracks near your area. Ask questions like power out put,gears, traction devices. clutch pedal effort . Don't kown much about spec ? But can say go with proven performer/centerforce d-f they been doing it since 60- or-70's must be doing something right .Be sure to use aftermarket clutch quad. steeda seems to be best quality. make sure to resurface flywheel inspect pilot bearing for excess wear/replace if possible,use locktite also. other good advise stay away from local parts store junk! bearing retainer excellent choice. better yet tremec 3550's are real cheap.rear seal good time to change with all dissassembled! good luck?

10-03-2002, 07:37 PM	#15
87gt17815 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bloomsburg,PA Posts: 34	My vote goes to the SPEC stage I or II. A very good transmission builder by the name of Bob Hanlon who i talk to quite a bit once told me that a Centerforce is the killer of all stock T-5 trannys. Especially ones with a little power in front of them. If your T-5 is built it will be ok but those little weights shock the tranny when you power shift.

10-03-2002, 09:39 PM	#16
Scrapla Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 532	Well id like to thank everyone for the input and I broke it down to about two clutch's the centerforce 2 and SPec 2 , I'd love to go dual friction but cant really afford the tranny rebuild and the DF. __________________ 90gt 347 and some bolt ons :-) RICE HATERS MEMBER #73

10-03-2002, 10:26 PM	#17
Scrapla Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 532	This is what I think i'm gonna invest in, Steed quadrant and adjuster:$80 Rear Main seal and steel bearing retainer $60 Centerforce Dual Friction $289 Now I'm not sure if centerforce's kit includes the pressure plate and throw out bearing anyone familiar with there clutches? __________________ 90gt 347 and some bolt ons :-) RICE HATERS MEMBER #73

10-03-2002, 10:40 PM	#18
2fcnbd Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: tampa, fla Posts: 6	clutch does not come with t/o/b 30.00extra want more/imput on counter weights shocking trans when they/only weighabout 4-5 grams problem not d/f t-5's are junk so can't- knock centerforce d/f would like more info on subject

10-04-2002, 11:37 AM	#20
429mustang Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: westerville, OH USA Posts: 618	Do any local shops carry SPEC clutches? How is the stage 1 compared to the ford hd/kng cobra as far as holding strength? Also, anyone know how much fluid a T-5 holds, I'm puting a clutch in tomorrow and I want to change/fill the fluid. __________________ 1990 Notchback: BBK Ceramic Coated Full length headers, Dr. Gas 3"- 2 1/2" x-pipe, Flowmaster 40's/turndowns.

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