Need Help Low Budget Combination?

Fostang · 10-22-2001, 03:40 PM

I have came up with a combination for the 67 coupe that I want to run in the 12's and I would greatly appreciate everyone's input on the pro's and con's of this combo. The kit consist of...
-89 roller block .030 over
-Stage 2 rods
-polished crank cut .010
-TRW forged slugs
-windage tray
-ARP Studs for heads and main
-351 Windsor 69 heads ported 1.84/1.55 valves
-tfs cam .499/.510 lift 221/225 duration
-hardened push rods
-comp cams roller rockers
-Performer intake
-600 cfm carb
-100 shot nitrous
I'm shooting for 330hp @ the crank n/a and 430 with the bottle. Are my expectations to high? What should I change in order to make the set up work correctly.

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67' Fastback-Mean Temper
67' Coupe Under Construction
70' Torino Cruiser
84' Svo Original

macx · 10-22-2001, 10:30 PM

For about the same money you'll spend fixing up the 351 heads you could have a set of gt40p heads - lots more power. check them out at www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/5755/gt40p.html

Fostang · 10-23-2001, 03:43 PM

I already have the windsor heads and also the stock ones from that engine so thats why I planned on using the windsor's. I can pick up a set of brand new holley heads from my dad for 550 but I really don't want to use aluminum ones on that car. I want em for the fastback

. This is a great website with lots of knowledgable people. One person may not know it all but together we do. That is why I wanted some input before I jumped into building the beast only to find out it is house broken.

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67' Fastback-Mean Temper
67' Coupe Under Construction
70' Torino Cruiser
84' Svo Original

exgmguy · 10-23-2001, 03:49 PM

I think it looks pretty good. I would probably use a Performer RPM intake though.

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1988 Mustang GT
11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01)
11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01)
1992 BadAzz Wrangler
1993 Explorer

See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

Fostang · 10-24-2001, 05:32 PM

Well I've been told by numerous people that my compression will be kinda high. So I went about calculating and came up with a 10.2:1 with the .030 overbore. Therefore my total timing is going to be placed at around 34-36 but my concern now is what type of gas would I need to run in the bad boy when the nitrous flows through it. I wonder if 91 octane will be sufficient?? Any ideas guys?help?

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67' Fastback-Mean Temper
67' Coupe Under Construction
70' Torino Cruiser
84' Svo Original

juiceman · 10-24-2001, 07:56 PM

well, first off the intake should be a perf. rpm, and it will need to be slightly ported . next, since youre using juice you should use a 650 dp. as far as comp. itll probably be around 9.5:1. just because you have .030 over bore it will not increase comp by one point. as far as pistons, ford uses trw's so its gonna be close to the same. realistically you will get around 260 hp or so. you will not get 100 hp from a 100 shot of nitrous. assuming you know nitrous and how to tune it properly you might get 70 hp. if you just want 12's then that is all you need. if you want a budget combo for 12's i have a few, and most use stock heads and cam.

Fostang · 10-25-2001, 05:55 PM

The reason I figured 10.2:1 compression is because the 351 windsor heads have 58 cc's and the stock 89' are around 62 cc's plus with the overbore I was guessing around the 10.2. Sure I'm up for suggestions on combo's especially if I can save some cash. Only thing is that I wanted to run a midto high 13 all motor then flip the switch to do a mid to high 12.

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67' Fastback-Mean Temper
67' Coupe Under Construction
70' Torino Cruiser
84' Svo Original

Shaggy · 10-26-2001, 10:35 AM

Here is what I would do different and prices that I can get here local for the stuff that is different than you choices.

347 or 331 crank 175.00
I would go 347 but both cranks go for the same price.
I-Beam rods 175.00
Performer RPM intake
and with the rest of the combo you have listed you shoud hit hifh 12's on motor alone with those differences.

Fostang · 10-26-2001, 03:42 PM

The cost to cut and polish crank would have turned up to 150 then the rods magnafluxed twice polished check for straightness and new arp bolts is 175. I didn't think I could find a 331 crank for that price the ones I saw were from 275 and up. 331 cubic inches sound temping. Where is it that the cranks are that price? Is there anyway I can contact them, do they have a web page?

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67' Fastback-Mean Temper
67' Coupe Under Construction
70' Torino Cruiser
84' Svo Original

88workcar · 10-26-2001, 10:11 PM

I would say use the POWER HEADS and the E cam.

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88workcar
1988 Mustang LX - 12.17 @ 112 MPH!

GA. BOY · 10-27-2001, 07:28 PM

my combo is very simalar to yours except i have:
e-303 cam ford motorsports
rpm intake
700 d/p holley
3050 lb, car
c-4
gt40-p heads, stock out of box except for spring upgrade.
notice my signature. good luck

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81 fox body
302
7.56 1/8 @ 88mph
1.58 60 ft.

[This message has been edited by GA. BOY (edited 10-27-2001).]

10-22-2001, 03:40 PM	#1
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	Need Help Low Budget Combination? I have came up with a combination for the 67 coupe that I want to run in the 12's and I would greatly appreciate everyone's input on the pro's and con's of this combo. The kit consist of... -89 roller block .030 over -Stage 2 rods -polished crank cut .010 -TRW forged slugs -windage tray -ARP Studs for heads and main -351 Windsor 69 heads ported 1.84/1.55 valves -tfs cam .499/.510 lift 221/225 duration -hardened push rods -comp cams roller rockers -Performer intake -600 cfm carb -100 shot nitrous I'm shooting for 330hp @ the crank n/a and 430 with the bottle. Are my expectations to high? What should I change in order to make the set up work correctly. ------------------ 67' Fastback-Mean Temper 67' Coupe Under Construction 70' Torino Cruiser 84' Svo Original

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10-22-2001, 10:30 PM	#2
macx Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Gordonville MO USA Posts: 448	For about the same money you'll spend fixing up the 351 heads you could have a set of gt40p heads - lots more power. check them out at www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/5755/gt40p.html

10-23-2001, 03:43 PM	#3
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	I already have the windsor heads and also the stock ones from that engine so thats why I planned on using the windsor's. I can pick up a set of brand new holley heads from my dad for 550 but I really don't want to use aluminum ones on that car. I want em for the fastback . This is a great website with lots of knowledgable people. One person may not know it all but together we do. That is why I wanted some input before I jumped into building the beast only to find out it is house broken. ------------------ 67' Fastback-Mean Temper 67' Coupe Under Construction 70' Torino Cruiser 84' Svo Original

10-23-2001, 03:49 PM	#4
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	I think it looks pretty good. I would probably use a Performer RPM intake though. ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT 11.8 @ 123 (7/14/01) 11.5 @ 120 (9/14/01) 1992 BadAzz Wrangler 1993 Explorer See my car at: www.mustangworks.com/cgi-bin/moi-display.cgi?179

10-24-2001, 05:32 PM	#5
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	Well I've been told by numerous people that my compression will be kinda high. So I went about calculating and came up with a 10.2:1 with the .030 overbore. Therefore my total timing is going to be placed at around 34-36 but my concern now is what type of gas would I need to run in the bad boy when the nitrous flows through it. I wonder if 91 octane will be sufficient?? Any ideas guys?help? ------------------ 67' Fastback-Mean Temper 67' Coupe Under Construction 70' Torino Cruiser 84' Svo Original

10-24-2001, 07:56 PM	#6
juiceman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ny Posts: 197	well, first off the intake should be a perf. rpm, and it will need to be slightly ported . next, since youre using juice you should use a 650 dp. as far as comp. itll probably be around 9.5:1. just because you have .030 over bore it will not increase comp by one point. as far as pistons, ford uses trw's so its gonna be close to the same. realistically you will get around 260 hp or so. you will not get 100 hp from a 100 shot of nitrous. assuming you know nitrous and how to tune it properly you might get 70 hp. if you just want 12's then that is all you need. if you want a budget combo for 12's i have a few, and most use stock heads and cam.

10-25-2001, 05:55 PM	#7
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	The reason I figured 10.2:1 compression is because the 351 windsor heads have 58 cc's and the stock 89' are around 62 cc's plus with the overbore I was guessing around the 10.2. Sure I'm up for suggestions on combo's especially if I can save some cash. Only thing is that I wanted to run a midto high 13 all motor then flip the switch to do a mid to high 12. ------------------ 67' Fastback-Mean Temper 67' Coupe Under Construction 70' Torino Cruiser 84' Svo Original

10-26-2001, 10:35 AM	#8
Shaggy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 466	Here is what I would do different and prices that I can get here local for the stuff that is different than you choices. 347 or 331 crank 175.00 I would go 347 but both cranks go for the same price. I-Beam rods 175.00 Performer RPM intake and with the rest of the combo you have listed you shoud hit hifh 12's on motor alone with those differences.

10-26-2001, 03:42 PM	#9
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	The cost to cut and polish crank would have turned up to 150 then the rods magnafluxed twice polished check for straightness and new arp bolts is 175. I didn't think I could find a 331 crank for that price the ones I saw were from 275 and up. 331 cubic inches sound temping. Where is it that the cranks are that price? Is there anyway I can contact them, do they have a web page? ------------------ 67' Fastback-Mean Temper 67' Coupe Under Construction 70' Torino Cruiser 84' Svo Original

10-26-2001, 10:11 PM	#10
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	I would say use the POWER HEADS and the E cam. ------------------ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX - 12.17 @ 112 MPH!

10-27-2001, 07:28 PM	#11
GA. BOY Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: doerun, ga. usa Posts: 3	my combo is very simalar to yours except i have: e-303 cam ford motorsports rpm intake 700 d/p holley 3050 lb, car c-4 gt40-p heads, stock out of box except for spring upgrade. notice my signature. good luck ------------------ 81 fox body 302 7.56 1/8 @ 88mph 1.58 60 ft. [This message has been edited by GA. BOY (edited 10-27-2001).]