Supercharger Questions - Page 3

Hozer 88GTConv · 12-30-2002, 07:14 PM

I'm not sure how many of us there are...but I think it's a great idea to have a supercharger forum..
I'm going to take a long hard look at the tweecer sites tonight. If my MAC cat back sells on ebay soon, I'm on it!....
I just finished swapping my equal shorty headers for some new ones...damn. What fun! Taking motor mounts off! Joy! (Yes I have had several beers)...found wet oil and a bunch of crud(and I mean debris) on the tip of the number 5 plug...uh oh..hope I haven't blown something....

stangsrule · 12-30-2002, 07:59 PM

I am all for a supercharger forum, I often have to go to the Corral for supercharger info...

Don't get me wrong, the Corral is a nice place and all, but Mustang Works is my home.

Let's talk to Dan about it!

Stang_Crazy · 12-31-2002, 04:35 PM

I think a supercharger forum is a GREAT idea!! I always have to go to Corral or Stangnet to get answers to some of my questions.

88workcar · 12-31-2002, 09:55 PM

HOZER, What would you car dyno with the blower disconnected? I am impressed with 460ftpd with 8# of boost.

Hozer 88GTConv · 12-31-2002, 11:14 PM

Before the blower with a misfire due to a bad PIP sensor in my then Mallory billet distributor (never, ever buy this piece of junk, a $225 mistake) it did 330 ft/lbs after some dyno tuning. I have to admit it was more the guys at the shop than me at the time, tweaking my a/f and my timing just right.
Of course now it seems I have a bit of a valve guide problem with number 5 cylinder...great, happy f-ing new year....

302man · 01-01-2003, 06:32 PM

88 workcar,
I must be part of the minority . My S trimed engine ran a 10.13@135 with base timing and a BTM . No chip ! Idled fine. Don't get all caught up in chips/fmu's and everything. I know quite a few guys who run and have ran up to 12lbs of boost with 30lb injectors. Although 42's are nice, they usually reqire a chip because the car just won't idle with them. If I were you, I would make sure the ProM 77 is calabrated for a supercharger. ( That makes it 10% richer everywhere but idle. ) Put the 30's in, base fuel pressure at 45lbs, get a big fuel pump. Then, first thing, put it on a dyno with a wideband and see where you are at. If you are interested in how I ran my timing, let me know, I will tell you what and where I had everything.

Tim

88workcar · 01-03-2003, 07:47 AM

Tim, FMU or not?

302man · 01-03-2003, 08:18 AM

I would try it with no FMU. But again, the true test is with a wideband. You have lots of money and a nice car, you don't need to granade the engine over $100 dyno session. If it turns out you need more fuel, larger injectors would be the way I would go. But, you have the 30's now, try them.

Hozer 88GTConv · 01-03-2003, 09:18 AM

What 302 is saying is true. I am not saying it is impossible to achieve good results w/o the aid of a chip. I just think it is money well spent.
If you drop the several grand for a blower setup, the extra couple of hundred was the best way for me (and for many others) to achieve optimum efficiency for their setup.
It allowed me to utilize known optimum fuel and timing curves for my combo.
Translation = Minimal guess work
Is it mandatory? Of course not.

That tweecer rt sure is nice though...

302man · 01-03-2003, 09:35 AM

I agree with Hozer 88GTConv, there are a bunch of ways to skin a cat. But, being new to Superchargers, it can be overwhelming on what you need, and what you have to have and what you need to get. Again , on my S trimed car, it was so basic it wasn't even funny. But it worked great. That is what I wanted to share with you so that you don't get sticker shock on all these have to have items.

88workcar · 01-03-2003, 07:15 PM

Lets rework the question, I have a 9# powerdyne. It at best made 8#s on the car it was on. I have a FMU, a boost gauge, a 77 pro M calibrated for 30#ers, a set of 30lb injectors, a bypass valve, all brackets, hoses clamps, ect.... the FMU even has a bleeder on it. Do I use all this? Is it the right stuff. Will it be safe?

Hozer 88GTConv · 01-03-2003, 09:16 PM

Yes, you will be fine.
I would say keep the timing initially conservative and bump it up incrementally.
As you become comfortable with the setup, after a couple of months, give a couple of the chip manufacturers a call.
Specify your combo, and I bet they could give you a product that would be worth it in tenths at the very least...
Just my .02
Either way you will love it, and that's all that matters...

12-30-2002, 07:14 PM	#31 (permalink)
Hozer 88GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 706	supercharged forum... I'm not sure how many of us there are...but I think it's a great idea to have a supercharger forum.. I'm going to take a long hard look at the tweecer sites tonight. If my MAC cat back sells on ebay soon, I'm on it!.... I just finished swapping my equal shorty headers for some new ones...damn. What fun! Taking motor mounts off! Joy! (Yes I have had several beers)...found wet oil and a bunch of crud(and I mean debris) on the tip of the number 5 plug...uh oh..hope I haven't blown something.... __________________ 1988 GT Convertible 331 10:1 TW heads, GT-40 intake, MSD, TRW flattops, B Cam w/ 1.7's, MAC exhaust, 24's, 70 TB, 76 MAF, 3.73's, Pro 5.0, Koni's, Anderson PMS, Wideband 02, yatta, yatta... One week with new motor, two speeding tickets...joy

12-30-2002, 07:59 PM	#32 (permalink)
stangsrule Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Indiana Posts: 512	I am all for a supercharger forum, I often have to go to the Corral for supercharger info... Don't get me wrong, the Corral is a nice place and all, but Mustang Works is my home. Let's talk to Dan about it! __________________ 92GT Lowered with Ebiach's and Koni's, Kenny Brown subframe connectors, lower G-brace and jacking rails. BBK upper and lower control arms, polyurethane bushings all around and Ken Bell blower, ram-air, 80mm mass air, SMC Alky Injection kit, J&S Knock Gaurd, TwEECer RT and a bunch of other stuff!

12-31-2002, 04:35 PM	#33 (permalink)
Stang_Crazy It's never clean enough! Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Shaler, PA Posts: 1,542	I think a supercharger forum is a GREAT idea!! I always have to go to Corral or Stangnet to get answers to some of my questions. __________________ ~Dan 2001 SVT Lightning 89' GT : Taking up garage space and waiting for a buyer... Rice Hater's Club - Member #11

12-31-2002, 09:55 PM	#34 (permalink)
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,836	HOZER, What would you car dyno with the blower disconnected? I am impressed with 460ftpd with 8# of boost. __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 408 @ 6800. Radial tires, 4.30s, 11.34 @ 126.52 so far. Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

12-31-2002, 11:14 PM	#35 (permalink)
Hozer 88GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 706	Non-blown torque numbers... Before the blower with a misfire due to a bad PIP sensor in my then Mallory billet distributor (never, ever buy this piece of junk, a $225 mistake) it did 330 ft/lbs after some dyno tuning. I have to admit it was more the guys at the shop than me at the time, tweaking my a/f and my timing just right. Of course now it seems I have a bit of a valve guide problem with number 5 cylinder...great, happy f-ing new year.... __________________ 1988 GT Convertible 331 10:1 TW heads, GT-40 intake, MSD, TRW flattops, B Cam w/ 1.7's, MAC exhaust, 24's, 70 TB, 76 MAF, 3.73's, Pro 5.0, Koni's, Anderson PMS, Wideband 02, yatta, yatta... One week with new motor, two speeding tickets...joy

01-01-2003, 06:32 PM	#36 (permalink)
302man Registered Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: INDIANAPOLIS Posts: 404	88 workcar, I must be part of the minority . My S trimed engine ran a 10.13@135 with base timing and a BTM . No chip ! Idled fine. Don't get all caught up in chips/fmu's and everything. I know quite a few guys who run and have ran up to 12lbs of boost with 30lb injectors. Although 42's are nice, they usually reqire a chip because the car just won't idle with them. If I were you, I would make sure the ProM 77 is calabrated for a supercharger. ( That makes it 10% richer everywhere but idle. ) Put the 30's in, base fuel pressure at 45lbs, get a big fuel pump. Then, first thing, put it on a dyno with a wideband and see where you are at. If you are interested in how I ran my timing, let me know, I will tell you what and where I had everything. Tim __________________ old S trim combo 10.13@ 135 New YS combo = 680RWHP (no times)

01-03-2003, 07:47 AM	#37 (permalink)
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,836	Tim, FMU or not? __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 408 @ 6800. Radial tires, 4.30s, 11.34 @ 126.52 so far. Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

01-03-2003, 08:18 AM	#38 (permalink)
302man Registered Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: INDIANAPOLIS Posts: 404	I would try it with no FMU. But again, the true test is with a wideband. You have lots of money and a nice car, you don't need to granade the engine over $100 dyno session. If it turns out you need more fuel, larger injectors would be the way I would go. But, you have the 30's now, try them. __________________ old S trim combo 10.13@ 135 New YS combo = 680RWHP (no times)

01-03-2003, 09:18 AM	#39 (permalink)
Hozer 88GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 706	FMU or Not... What 302 is saying is true. I am not saying it is impossible to achieve good results w/o the aid of a chip. I just think it is money well spent. If you drop the several grand for a blower setup, the extra couple of hundred was the best way for me (and for many others) to achieve optimum efficiency for their setup. It allowed me to utilize known optimum fuel and timing curves for my combo. Translation = Minimal guess work Is it mandatory? Of course not. That tweecer rt sure is nice though... __________________ 1988 GT Convertible 331 10:1 TW heads, GT-40 intake, MSD, TRW flattops, B Cam w/ 1.7's, MAC exhaust, 24's, 70 TB, 76 MAF, 3.73's, Pro 5.0, Koni's, Anderson PMS, Wideband 02, yatta, yatta... One week with new motor, two speeding tickets...joy

01-03-2003, 09:35 AM	#40 (permalink)
302man Registered Member Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: INDIANAPOLIS Posts: 404	I agree with Hozer 88GTConv, there are a bunch of ways to skin a cat. But, being new to Superchargers, it can be overwhelming on what you need, and what you have to have and what you need to get. Again , on my S trimed car, it was so basic it wasn't even funny. But it worked great. That is what I wanted to share with you so that you don't get sticker shock on all these have to have items. __________________ old S trim combo 10.13@ 135 New YS combo = 680RWHP (no times)

01-03-2003, 07:15 PM	#41 (permalink)
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,836	Lets rework the question, I have a 9# powerdyne. It at best made 8#s on the car it was on. I have a FMU, a boost gauge, a 77 pro M calibrated for 30#ers, a set of 30lb injectors, a bypass valve, all brackets, hoses clamps, ect.... the FMU even has a bleeder on it. Do I use all this? Is it the right stuff. Will it be safe? __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 408 @ 6800. Radial tires, 4.30s, 11.34 @ 126.52 so far. Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

01-03-2003, 09:16 PM	#42 (permalink)
Hozer 88GTConv Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 706	Yes... Yes, you will be fine. I would say keep the timing initially conservative and bump it up incrementally. As you become comfortable with the setup, after a couple of months, give a couple of the chip manufacturers a call. Specify your combo, and I bet they could give you a product that would be worth it in tenths at the very least... Just my .02 Either way you will love it, and that's all that matters... __________________ 1988 GT Convertible 331 10:1 TW heads, GT-40 intake, MSD, TRW flattops, B Cam w/ 1.7's, MAC exhaust, 24's, 70 TB, 76 MAF, 3.73's, Pro 5.0, Koni's, Anderson PMS, Wideband 02, yatta, yatta... One week with new motor, two speeding tickets...joy

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