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Supercharger in a stock '95?
What do you really have to do to put a supercharger in a stock '95 GT? What parts (besides the supercharger) would I have to get/replace? And how much would a decent one for this car cost? Thanks guys...
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I'm pretty sure that most kits you get (paxton, vortech, etc) come with just about everything you need. I have heard of people not having something they need, so see what other people here say, some of the companies have more complete kits but I don't know which ones.
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yeah the kit will come with everything you will need to put it in the car, but you might want to upgrade the valve springs, and fuel pump, thats what i am doing with mine, just the bare minimum, to get it to go. good luck.
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Like the others said, they come with everything you need. You can get a good one for less than $3k. I would however suggest atleast adding headers.
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What suggestions for brand would you guys have? I would think Paxton or Vortech right? Speaking mainly in terms of performance... Also, would it be good to do the headers and exhaust too? Thanks...
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Definitely upgrade the headers and the exhaust.
As for which brand is better or the best, I'm still looking into that also. :) |
I know a few who have used the ATI procharger. They were more than happy, and boy did it make my buddies 94 cobra run like a raped ape. He couldnt get the street tires to start to hook untill 3rd gear.
------------------ 85GT,auto/2400 stall,converted to carb. edelbrock 600, performer RPM, BBK equal length headers, mallory distr. and ignit., h-pipe, flows, 3:73, converting to five lug and installing 95 cobra rims. |
if it was me which it recently was i would go with the kenne bell blowzilla.it produces full boost at 2000 rpm and keeps it all the way to redline unlike centrificals which produce 1psi per 1000 rpm.the install was the easiest ive done.no oil lines,no 500$intake purchase comes with its own,and it looks awesome.just my 2 cents.
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Andrew, I'd strongly recommend a bigger radiator to handle the additional heat from the blower. A 180 thermostat is also strongly recommended. These two items are what you'll need to survive in stop 'n go traffic in the summer.
Finally, an MSD 6AL will ensure complete combustion (and maximum power) under boost. The MSD rev limiter will cut spark, and not cut fuel like the factory limiter does which makes the engine run lean. Are you going to Carlsbad on March 24? My stang needs a tranny so I'm taking the Lightning. Russ ------------------ '91 LX Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles. |
You'll want exhaust, but it's not required.
I'd say you have to change the intake as well, to really make the power. How much HP do you want? A supercharger on a stock 95 should make no more than 100 fwhp.(9/10 psi) This project could run you $4000+install. ------------------ 1995 GT Black sleeper Edelbrock 6037 heads,Edelbrock proformer intake,Edelbrock cam, 70mm TB,75mm pro-m mass air,Taylor wires, Underdrive pulleys,Equal length headers,K&N filter Flowmaster cat-back, Eibach pro rate springs lower control arms 3.73 gear Centerforce clutch |
I'm looking to get at least 300HP out of whatever set up I would use. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do this, or go with all the little stuff (headers, exhaust, intake, pulleys, gears, shift kit, etc). Which way would you guys go? Thanks...
Andy |
i would add the supercharger 1st.see what you think and then add other things later on.actually you should do exaust at the same time to work with the charger.by the way i noticed a price above of 4000.my kenne bell blowzilla cost me 3400 polished with 8,9 psi pulley and it comes with its own intake.it also comes with a fms(fuel management system)this goes in your return fuel line and is operated by boost pressure,comes with all the fittings.this raises the fuel pressure by about 30psi wich makes your stock 19# injectors flow like 24# injectors,so larger injectors are not neccessary.i like it because the kb also gets rid of that ugly factory upper intake.
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i would add the supercharger 1st.see what you think and then add other things later on.actually you should do exaust at the same time to work with the charger.by the way i noticed a price above of 4000.my kenne bell blowzilla cost me 3400 polished with 8,9 psi pulley and it comes with its own intake.it also comes with a fms(fuel management system)this goes in your return fuel line and is operated by boost pressure,comes with all the fittings.this raises the fuel pressure by about 30psi wich makes your stock 19# injectors flow like 24# injectors,so larger injectors are not neccessary.i like it because the kb also gets rid of that ugly factory upper intake.
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Kenne bell are good, adds 75 pounds. Not great for an already over weight mustang. Damn you SN95's!
Bad93gt- Later you'll have to enlighten us on how you make "19's flow like 24's" http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...d/rolleyes.gif Think about this. For the money you might spend on a blower you could get a pro built engine. Check out what some guys on here are running with N/A combos. No blower headaches. My original plan for my car was heads, cam, intake than the blower. I haven't even got to the blower, already I wish I had done a 306 or 347 project first. Start with good internals, and maybe add some CI's, and then add MAJOR power adders. Take this all with a grain of salt because I think N/A is the only way to go for a street car. (Here come the flames from the blower owners "I never had one problem...") Good luck ------------------ 1995 GT Black sleeper Edelbrock 6037 heads,Edelbrock proformer intake,Edelbrock cam, 70mm TB,75mm pro-m mass air,Taylor wires, Underdrive pulleys,Equal length headers,K&N filter Flowmaster cat-back, Eibach pro rate springs lower control arms 3.73 gear Centerforce clutch |
ill enlighten you right now.the fms cuts off the fuel return line under boost which raises the fuel pressure forcing the maximumamount of fuel that the injector allows.ok put it this way why do people add a larger fuel pump to stock injectors ?because it gives you same results.thi is tested and stated right in the kenne-bell installation manual.feel enlightened?????just need to read.
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Hmmm...
I'd have to say, mustang17, you do seem mighty down on blowers. You say you've never had one, well, you're right about me thinking you've judged them based on something your grandpa had on his car. Benefits to blowers are, no significant loss of fuel economy when driving normally, no internal engine modifications, which makes the installation easy and inexpensive, huge power benefits, excellent drivablilty, and they are bolt on/bolt off parts that can be removed if you wish to sell the car as stock. I don't know as I've seen a lot of problems on this board relating to blower problems from quality units that are pushing less than 10psi. After reading tech on this board, researching, learning, and helping, I'm more convinced than ever that the blower route is the best route to go. As far as the 19lb injectors, you can run them up to about 350hp before they are done. Any blower with more than 6psi boost should be combined with the 24lbers in my opinion. You can risk it, bump the fuel pressure and run 19's, but for the measly couple hundred bucks, why would you want to risk it? Now the N/A tune route is nice too, it will help your blown car see even more potential, but now you double your expense and wind up with a tranny breaking, driveshaft bending, axle stipping monster. (Not that having that isn't cool in itself http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif, but other upgrades that must be made are very expensive.) |
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As far as blowers and wanting 300 hp, I beat a 97 ss with my stock motor and base A-trim at the track a few yrs ago. I also had exhaust, 3.73s, shift kit, and 2400 stall. I got it over 102mph. With that mph and my weight at the time translates to high 200- low 300 hp. ------------------ Rick My 89lx(updated 2/21/2001) My 97 Cobra |
bad93gt- You still did not tell me how you got you 19's to flow like 24's. I have been reading and I know, as Unit 5302 said, that 19's flow for up to 350hp. 24's go up to around 400hp. So again, how do you make 19's flow like 24's? You can get a fuel pump to do a thousand lph and that is still not going to make your injectors flow better. Do you see my point?
Unit 5302- I'm not anti-blower. With the right motor you can't beat the power. Why not start with a better motor though? Then you don't have to worry about the bottom end falling apart if you make over 400hp. You do,unfortunately, have to deal with other things breaking, as you said. Not many people are going to have trouble running 10psi on a stock mustang, very true. You're only making 300+hp, but there are much cheaper ways to make 300fwhp with a 5.0. Andrew- If you think you want around 300hp consider this combo. Ported stock heads, after market intake, a mild cam, exhaust and you should be there. All this for under $1500! It's always good to have more than one opinion. Hope this helps. |
UUUggghhhh, do I want to get in this?? Guess I do...
You can make 19# injectors flow more fuel by getting an afpr and/or fmu, this we all know. If you have 24#ers at 39 psi you can get 19#ers to flow the same amount of fuel by upping the fuel pressure, hence the (common) term "19s flowing like 24s". I really don't see why there is a debate on this matter. |
That's very misleading. Please clarify. You still can't make 19's work up past 350hp so how is that flowing like 24's? I thought no matter how much pressure you gave you're not getting past the 350hp wall. Maxing out 19's is known as flowing like 24's? It's not flowing like 24's, you could get 24's to flow more than 19's ever could.
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I understood what you meant the first time you said it http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif. We all understand that 24s can flow more. Its all a play on words and not worth a debate.
I can't believe its not butter, it taste like butter only half the calories... [This message has been edited by rbatson (edited 03-02-2001).] |
He is simply stating that by stopping the fuel return line you force more fuel through the 19 pounders which will flow the same or more as 24 pounders at X amount of fuel pressure. Of course if you max them both out the 24s will flow more...its just not always needed. But 19 ponders with the fuel return stopped will KILL you fuel economy which will cost you more in the long run.
ANDREW, if you want to make 300hp and hit a 13 look at my combo. Its cheaper than a blower and it still looks stock. Personaly I love blowers and would love to have one, but if you only want around 300 fly hp, just look at my sig. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
How fast do you want to go? I can tell you how to pick up 8.5mph, and drop 1.4 tenths for hundreds less than a blower. Look at my mods:
edelbrock intake 65mm T-body shorty headers X pipe stock flow tubes 2 chamber flowmasters stock tail pipes adjustable FPR pulleys K&N advanced timing HD clutch 3.73 gears alum DS and Nitto drag radials Stock-heads, MAF, injectors, and fuel pump I went from 15.2 at 90mph to 13.8's at 98.3-98.5mph. I know my cosuin's 100% stock 94GT coupe ran 14.8 at 93mph stock. Add to that what I gained and you're looking at 13.4 at 101.5mph. Again this hypothetical, but I can attest to the fact that I've seen many 94-95 GT's with heads, intake, cam etc that only run 101-102mph in the 1/4. I've even seen two SC 94-95's at my track that struggle to run 101mph. Its all up to you though. On a side note, my cousin mentioned above with just gears, pulleys, and mufflers ran 14.2's at 97mph on street tires. He has just added a Kenne Bell blowzilla rated at 6lbs, and the car has no traction until 3rd, and even then it spins sometimes. With traction I firmly believe he is in the 12 second zone. ------------------ 95 GT convt' 5 speed, 3.73's,FMS HD clutch, Pro 5.0 shifter, ASP alum. underdrive pulleys, Bassani offroad X pipe, 2 chmbr flowmasters, K&N w/o silencer, edelbrock performer intake, FRPP 65mm T-body, FRPP shorty headers, FRPP aluminum driveshaft.Hooker 4pt chrome car bar, Xenon/Wings West ground effects, custom interior Best ET: 13.83 Best MPH: 98.55mph with Best 60': 1.91 on Nitto DR's Homepage: <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/killercanary" TARGET=_blank>http://www.angelfire |
I think you could go a lot faster for less money. Your car in stock form would run low to mid 15's.
The blower plus labor would be 3500-4000 dollars. You could get ram air, pullies and gears for 500 dollars and be just as fast. I raced a 95 GT that had (8lb of Vortech boost) which equates to about 80 hp. His time was 14.45 to my 14.2 (just gears and exhaust). He and his friends were surprised because they thought he should win just because he had a blower. ------------------ '93 GT Conv. 13.35 @ 104.8 mph |
Pulley's, exhaust, gears, GO AS FAST AS WITH 10lbs of boost.
No ******* way! All you guys are discounting what it would cost to install all stuff (heads, exhaust, gears, etc) and then adding the install to the cost of the blower. Not a fair comparison. Installing a blower is actually easier than heads and a cam swap. I like the blower because the car can be put back to stock in a day. Al ------------------ 95 GT, GT40 Aluminum Heads, Intake u/l, 9# Powerdyne SC, 65 mm FMS TB, 70 mm FMS MAS, 30 lb injectors, E303 cam, Hooker Super Comp equal shorty headers, H pipe, Flows, Nitto DR, MSD BTM, Adjustable FP reg, 255 fuel pump, Autometer gauge pod with Electric FP guage and Boost guage, a few other odds and ends |
AJ most sn95 5.0's do not run 15's stock! Mine happend to hit a 14.6 at 96 mph without even powershifting. The auto verts might pull 15's but a hartop stick will keep up with a fox. A 95 gt with a blower running a 14.5 is f*cking rediculous. I know people who have ran a 14.5 stock. That is just down right insulting.
I am installing longtubes, controll arms, and a cat back tommorow and I going to the track on the 24th. I guarantee you I will be close to your time. I will post the results. ------------------ 95GT B303 cam, 1.7 rockers, 65mm TB, 73mm MAF, milled heads, 355's K&N, off road pipes, pulleys, msd coil, 9mm wires, Tremec 3550, Pro5.0 shifter,10.5 Motorsport clutch, FMS aluminum driveshaft, weld in subframe connectors |
thanks rbatson and fastang for helping me get my point across.i was sure i knew what i was talking about.i am wondering how badly this will hurt my fuel economy by blockink off the return line with the fms.i can`t wait to try my car out with the charger installed it is still winter here.hopefully it won`t be to be since it is only under boost.but im sure ill have a hard time staying out of it.at least at first.
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Okay! Maybe I got a little carried away. But that is what he ran.
Most 95's don't run 14.6 either. Let's say on the avg...15.0 sec. 8 lb of boost on a totally stock set up is low 14's maybe high 13's with good weather and traction. |
Damn guys! I didn't mean to start a flame! anyway, it's gonna get a little more intense, because...
I'm racing my friends '67 camaro on the 24th. And he's DEFINITELY not stock. He's got a 383 stroker, cam, headers, 4:10 gears and a racing clutch. And I'm AOD!!! Now, here's the dilemma. I HAVE to beat him! Were talking PRIDE here boys! It's your typical one best friend is a stanger, the other is a bow tie! I'm going to spend around 2K before the 24th (cause I got 2 checks coming in), and he's not gonna do anything by then. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO??? I CAN'T LOSE!!! Right now I'm leaning towards the following: 1. 11 or 13 degree timing 2. remove air silencer 3. 4:10 gears 4. shift kit 5. headers (maybe exhaust) 6. cold air intake Now I know I can do the first two myself, so now labor, but how much for parts and installation on the rest? What brands? Is this the best way to go, considering the budget? It's crunch time boys... http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif |
Nevermind [This message has been edited by fastang (edited 03-03-2001).] |
Re: Supercharger in a stock '95?
Blowers on anything always make more pony's
Take a look at my other posts regrding blowers & Superchargers ABC Do your research Read the instructions the biggest problem is the fuel system. However what goes in must come out so all the rest of the stuff is also necessary. The MFG may tell you that stuff is not required but they want to sell you a KIT - so they may evade the actual truth a bit. If you have a MOD-MOTOR stay away from the Roots, & Screw type blowers, and find a centrifugal, Vortex, Procharger, Paxton-Novi, or other, one of those others has an internal belt-drive, we had trouble with the belt breaking. Denny@JDS Induction Products HeadDoctor out |
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