Bad @ss 351w combo. need help

BowTie Eater 5 Liter · 02-28-2001, 12:02 AM

I Really need cam help
I would like to build a BAD @SS N/A 351windsor & want ideas. It will be a
daily driver. It Will be fuel injected & have a roller cam.
A Combo i like is:
351w Stock Short block
stock 5.0 fuel lines
trick flow twisted wedge heads
trick flow "351" intake
24lb injectors
pro-m 77mm mass air
trick flow 1.6 Rocker arms
crane hi-6 ignition & ps-91 coil
190lph pump & AFPR
Stock 5.0 t-5 (when she blows, probably a Termec TKO)
bbk 70mm t-body & egr
3.55 or 3.73 gears
drop engine mounts (So It Fits under the stock hood. I Love Sleepers!)
new flywheel
new distributor
new (or used) oil pan
I DONT KNOW WHAT CAM WOULD SUIT THIS COMBO!!!
I dont want to cut the pistons.

I would apprecieate it if you could help me on a cam.
thanks!

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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!).
My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)
Future Plans Call For A 351 Windsor

Mean50 · 02-28-2001, 11:21 AM

Well I am not sure what cam you should use. I don know that it is a lot harder to be able to build a 351 compared to a 302. My suggestion would be a 347 stroker. There are several things I just don't like about 351's. I am planning on the stroker update soon.

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89 LX Coupe
306, 10:1 compression, Holley Heads, Intake, and Cam package, 70 mm Throttle body and Mass Air,
30 lb injectors, 255 lph fuel pump, 1 5/8" full length headers, Flowmaster 2 1/2" American Thunder Cat back system,
Centerforce dual friction clutch, 4.10 gears
50-175 hp Nitrous Works kit, 5" Auto Meter Shift Light

Kevin Price · 02-28-2001, 02:04 PM

Moved to Windsor Power

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SVO siamesed 351 stroked to 417ci,Yates heads, solid roller,Trans King glide and a little blue bottle
of giggle gas. My Car

macx · 03-02-2001, 09:41 PM

Crane has a good selection of retrofit roller cams (if you don't have a 94 or newer roller block) check www.cranecams.com they're good with Ford cams, too. Look at their descriptions - that will tell you operating characteristics. I'm sure you can also contact them & ask. You might have a problem with the pistons, though. At the VERY least, ALWAYS mock it up and check w/clay. I would suspect you're not going to do much for cam w/o doing something w/pistons. If you want a "ba" engine, definitely go the R heads. 20 more hp & torque than street heads even w/relatively mild cam. Also, they match the port flow of the intake better - the intake flows 310, the street heads something like 260 or so and the R's somewhere at or close to 300.

macx · 03-02-2001, 09:47 PM

Crane has a good selection of retrofit roller cams (if you don't have a 94 or newer roller block) check www.cranecams.com & can use w/steel distrib gear. They're good with Ford cams, too. Look at their descriptions - that will tell you operating characteristics. I'm sure you can also contact them & ask, specially about the pistons. You might have a problem with the pistons. At the VERY least, ALWAYS mock it up and check w/clay. I would suspect you're not going to do much for cam w/o doing something w/pistons. If you want a "ba" engine, definitely go the R heads. 20 more hp & torque than street heads even w/relatively mild cam. Also, they match the port flow of the intake better - the intake flows 310, the street heads something like 260 or so and the R's somewhere at or close to 300. AFter all this - I've got an article that tested both street & R heads on a street 351 w/Crane retro roller 220 @ 050 & only 498. Used modified 400 rods for better rod/stroke ratio, & Yates style JE pistons that had valve reliefs that matched the comb chamber shape for good quench & efficient combustion. Ran Performer efi w/custom WOT chip - trifk flow intake not yet available. All parts listed in article. Said could have used bigger cam w/R heads to do best output. Ran 11-1cr, ran best at only 32 advance (efficient combustion) on 87 octane (no misprint) and with the R's put out 450 torque at 4000 & 400 hp at 5000. That could probably go up 15 or more w/bigger cam. I've got article scanned if you'd like. I'm going to build one. macx@clas.net if you want, mention what you're after. 2 transmissions so I don't overload your mailbox.

BowTie Eater 5 Liter · 03-04-2001, 04:18 PM

macx, could you send me that article on the 351 with 400hp to beallur@axion.net, Im ot sure if you got the e-mail

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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!).
My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)

BowTie Eater 5 Liter · 03-04-2001, 08:27 PM

macx my e-mail is phuct at the moment, so could you please e-mail me at bowtieeater5liter@yahoo.ca so i can print it off at my dads
thanks

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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!).
My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)

BowTie Eater 5 Liter · 03-04-2001, 08:31 PM

macx my e-mail is phuct at the moment, so could you please e-mail me the 400hp 351 info at bowtieeater5liter@yahoo.ca so i can print it off at my dads
thanks

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1988 Mustang GT, T-5
No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!).
My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)

DirtKing · 03-05-2001, 10:05 PM

email me too please...dirtking358@mn.mediaone.net

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88LX notch, Speedpro EFI Procharged!

isno302 · 03-05-2001, 11:47 PM

I'm new to here but not to Mustangs. I run almost what you want. Induction is the only diff. Check out users rides, isno302
Hope that helps you, Reggie

03-06-2001, 06:47 PM

What is it you don't like about 351's?? The are more powerful than a 302/306/347 and put out more torque. Plus, the main caps are much stronger. Go WITH THE 351!! The only downside is weight.

82 GT · 03-06-2001, 11:14 PM

I agree with stroker 393 about the 351.My '82 Gt used to have a balanced and blueprinted 302 with early 302 heads machined to accept 202/160 chevy valves,port work,screw in studs, Compcam with 292 duration and .535 lift, shorty headers and flowmaster exhaust system,Holly 650 carb and forged 10:1 pistons. I spent about $3000 total. After I installed a mild 351W I saw a night and day difference in power with the 351. Remember, torque is what actually moves the car down the track...not HP which is a byproduct of torque.
Enough of the science lesson for now...bottom line is I will never put a 302 back into that car. When it is time for another engine in my '88 GT it will also get a 351.
Just my 2 cents

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'82 GT 351W,BBK shorties,
Comp Cam,edelbrock intake
625 cfm carter carb. c-4 tranny w/ pro stick shifter. 4 core radiator
Mallory distributor. 3:27
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02-28-2001, 12:02 AM	#1
BowTie Eater 5 Liter Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Canada, The Best Place In The World Posts: 871	Bad @ss 351w combo. need help I Really need cam help I would like to build a BAD @SS N/A 351windsor & want ideas. It will be a daily driver. It Will be fuel injected & have a roller cam. A Combo i like is: 351w Stock Short block stock 5.0 fuel lines trick flow twisted wedge heads trick flow "351" intake 24lb injectors pro-m 77mm mass air trick flow 1.6 Rocker arms crane hi-6 ignition & ps-91 coil 190lph pump & AFPR Stock 5.0 t-5 (when she blows, probably a Termec TKO) bbk 70mm t-body & egr 3.55 or 3.73 gears drop engine mounts (So It Fits under the stock hood. I Love Sleepers!) new flywheel new distributor new (or used) oil pan I DONT KNOW WHAT CAM WOULD SUIT THIS COMBO!!! I dont want to cut the pistons. I would apprecieate it if you could help me on a cam. thanks! ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT, T-5 No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!). My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!) Future Plans Call For A 351 Windsor

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02-28-2001, 11:21 AM	#2
Mean50 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 118	Well I am not sure what cam you should use. I don know that it is a lot harder to be able to build a 351 compared to a 302. My suggestion would be a 347 stroker. There are several things I just don't like about 351's. I am planning on the stroker update soon. ------------------ 89 LX Coupe 306, 10:1 compression, Holley Heads, Intake, and Cam package, 70 mm Throttle body and Mass Air, 30 lb injectors, 255 lph fuel pump, 1 5/8" full length headers, Flowmaster 2 1/2" American Thunder Cat back system, Centerforce dual friction clutch, 4.10 gears 50-175 hp Nitrous Works kit, 5" Auto Meter Shift Light

02-28-2001, 02:04 PM	#3
Kevin Price Registered Member Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Oxford, KS Posts: 935	Moved to Windsor Power ------------------ SVO siamesed 351 stroked to 417ci,Yates heads, solid roller,Trans King glide and a little blue bottle of giggle gas. My Car

03-02-2001, 09:41 PM	#4
macx Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Gordonville MO USA Posts: 448	Crane has a good selection of retrofit roller cams (if you don't have a 94 or newer roller block) check www.cranecams.com they're good with Ford cams, too. Look at their descriptions - that will tell you operating characteristics. I'm sure you can also contact them & ask. You might have a problem with the pistons, though. At the VERY least, ALWAYS mock it up and check w/clay. I would suspect you're not going to do much for cam w/o doing something w/pistons. If you want a "ba" engine, definitely go the R heads. 20 more hp & torque than street heads even w/relatively mild cam. Also, they match the port flow of the intake better - the intake flows 310, the street heads something like 260 or so and the R's somewhere at or close to 300.

03-02-2001, 09:47 PM	#5
macx Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Gordonville MO USA Posts: 448	Crane has a good selection of retrofit roller cams (if you don't have a 94 or newer roller block) check www.cranecams.com & can use w/steel distrib gear. They're good with Ford cams, too. Look at their descriptions - that will tell you operating characteristics. I'm sure you can also contact them & ask, specially about the pistons. You might have a problem with the pistons. At the VERY least, ALWAYS mock it up and check w/clay. I would suspect you're not going to do much for cam w/o doing something w/pistons. If you want a "ba" engine, definitely go the R heads. 20 more hp & torque than street heads even w/relatively mild cam. Also, they match the port flow of the intake better - the intake flows 310, the street heads something like 260 or so and the R's somewhere at or close to 300. AFter all this - I've got an article that tested both street & R heads on a street 351 w/Crane retro roller 220 @ 050 & only 498. Used modified 400 rods for better rod/stroke ratio, & Yates style JE pistons that had valve reliefs that matched the comb chamber shape for good quench & efficient combustion. Ran Performer efi w/custom WOT chip - trifk flow intake not yet available. All parts listed in article. Said could have used bigger cam w/R heads to do best output. Ran 11-1cr, ran best at only 32 advance (efficient combustion) on 87 octane (no misprint) and with the R's put out 450 torque at 4000 & 400 hp at 5000. That could probably go up 15 or more w/bigger cam. I've got article scanned if you'd like. I'm going to build one. macx@clas.net if you want, mention what you're after. 2 transmissions so I don't overload your mailbox.

03-04-2001, 04:18 PM	#6
BowTie Eater 5 Liter Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Canada, The Best Place In The World Posts: 871	macx, could you send me that article on the 351 with 400hp to beallur@axion.net, Im ot sure if you got the e-mail ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT, T-5 No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!). My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)

03-04-2001, 08:27 PM	#7
BowTie Eater 5 Liter Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Canada, The Best Place In The World Posts: 871	macx my e-mail is phuct at the moment, so could you please e-mail me at bowtieeater5liter@yahoo.ca so i can print it off at my dads thanks ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT, T-5 No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!). My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)

03-04-2001, 08:31 PM	#8
BowTie Eater 5 Liter Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Canada, The Best Place In The World Posts: 871	macx my e-mail is phuct at the moment, so could you please e-mail me the 400hp 351 info at bowtieeater5liter@yahoo.ca so i can print it off at my dads thanks ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT, T-5 No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box, Removed air silendcer), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!). My Stang This Is What Dynomax Ultra-Flo's Do (Soon To Be On My Stang!)

03-05-2001, 10:05 PM	#9
DirtKing Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: brooklyn center,mn,USA Posts: 169	email me too please...dirtking358@mn.mediaone.net ------------------ 88LX notch, Speedpro EFI Procharged!

03-05-2001, 11:47 PM	#10
isno302 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UTICA,NY,USA Posts: 6	I'm new to here but not to Mustangs. I run almost what you want. Induction is the only diff. Check out users rides, isno302 Hope that helps you, Reggie

03-06-2001, 06:47 PM	#11
stroker393 Guest Posts: n/a	What is it you don't like about 351's?? The are more powerful than a 302/306/347 and put out more torque. Plus, the main caps are much stronger. Go WITH THE 351!! The only downside is weight.

03-06-2001, 11:14 PM	#12
82 GT Import Slayer Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 2,241	I agree with stroker 393 about the 351.My '82 Gt used to have a balanced and blueprinted 302 with early 302 heads machined to accept 202/160 chevy valves,port work,screw in studs, Compcam with 292 duration and .535 lift, shorty headers and flowmaster exhaust system,Holly 650 carb and forged 10:1 pistons. I spent about $3000 total. After I installed a mild 351W I saw a night and day difference in power with the 351. Remember, torque is what actually moves the car down the track...not HP which is a byproduct of torque. Enough of the science lesson for now...bottom line is I will never put a 302 back into that car. When it is time for another engine in my '88 GT it will also get a 351. Just my 2 cents ------------------ '82 GT 351W,BBK shorties, Comp Cam,edelbrock intake 625 cfm carter carb. c-4 tranny w/ pro stick shifter. 4 core radiator Mallory distributor. 3:27 .........................