t-5 vs. AOD

90LxDroptop · 05-18-2002, 12:08 PM

Well, I've pretty much decided on doing the t-5 swap. BORED with this AOD!

I'm just wondering, if driven well (the T5) how much faster is the manual going to be than my AOD with a TransGo shift kit? thanx.

silver_pilate · 05-18-2002, 12:34 PM

If you can drive it right, a good bit faster. I'd say upwards of .5 - .7 seconds. The biggest problem you're gonna start seeing is traction problems and getting the hang of power shifting. I can pull a good many people on the street because (with decent tires), I don't have to worry about spinning. I can punch it and go....and go it will. If you haven't driven a stick Mustang in a while, it's gonna take some time to learn to launch the thing out of the hole. Also, no T-5 is gonna shift like a properly setup AOD, no matter the person at the helm. Drivers can't shift as fast nor as consistant.

With a proper gear and a torque converter, you could get there with the AOD, but I understand how you feel. Heck, I learned to drive on a stick, and I only bought this AOD car because it was too good to pass up. I've thought a couple of times about swapping out, but now that I've got basically a new tranny, I'll just "suffer" with my fun little AOD. When set up right they can sure get you your jollies

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--nathan

sn95gt19 · 05-18-2002, 12:48 PM

id say the same .4-.7 tenths faster with a 5 speed, that is if you know how to drive it. people always say that aod's can be better if built right, but i think that the only time an aod is at an advantage is when your running 11.30's or faster, some people may think otherwise. thats just my 2 cents

silver_pilate · 05-18-2002, 02:18 PM

Yeah, AOD's have the definate advantage if you've got enough power to spin 'em. For street use and track use, they can be built to run with five speeds. A valve body, gears, and a loose converter will almost get you there. The main thing with AOD's is the increased amount of rotating mass. A 9" converter helps to lessen this (an alumium shaft also helps) and the gearing allows the motor to get in the power band more quickly.

It takes money, but an AOD can be made to run with a T-5 if you've got the power. You're right however, in that for the most part if you've got two cars with identical power mods, the T-5 can be quicker than the modded AOD. But alot depends on the driver. Modded AOD's can have an advantage because driver error is taken away. All you gotta do is throw the lever and mash the pedal. With a stick, you've gotta learn how to launch, how to slip the clutch, and you've gotta make the correct shifter throws. That's what can make a daily driven moddified AOD quicker than a T-5....the driving element alone.

--nathan

Mach 1 · 05-18-2002, 06:30 PM

The AOD can be made fun to drive like Nathan said, but to do it right costs some coin (good converter, valve body, shifter, gears, etc..) and the 5 speed will still be faster if driven by a good driver due to the AOD sucking up a lot more power to operate.

I enjoy the convience of the automatic and dont like to shift, so I modded my AOD and can live with it being a little slower than similar 5 speed cars. After all, there always someone faster, and it all comes down to how much coin you have. More coin, faster you can go.

Yeah, the AOD can still be boring at times, but when your stuck in traffic, it sure is nice then

Just make sure you want a stick before you go through the expense of the swap. And dont waste your time swapping to a T-5, go straight to a Tremec.

90LxDroptop · 05-19-2002, 01:04 AM

Thanx a lot for the input guys. I appreciate it. Mach 1, I would love to go to a Tremec but unfortunately I'm in high school and I don't make that much money. (toys R' us doesn't shower their employees with riches I guess...) so I'm probably gonna have to settle with a T-5. oh well. thanx again.

Mach 1 · 05-19-2002, 04:48 AM

I dont think a tremec is that much more? A few hundred maybe? Its worth it. Well, if your car isnt that strong a runner, I guess you dont need the Tremec, but its nice to do it right the first time and not worry about it again, especially if you plan to keep the car or make more power later.

Silver5.0 · 05-20-2002, 01:02 AM

Well I'm still in high school too i'm a junior (11th) and I have 1991 GT and i'm lovng it with the new tranny it's the TCI street fighter w/ the manuel valvebody, it shifts extremely hard and handles pretty much everthing i've thrown at it so maybe think about building the aod first.

HOT-RUD · 05-20-2002, 09:42 AM

WHY NOT A C-4 CONVERSION CHEAP PARTS GREAT RESULTS PARTS ARE ALMOST HALF THE PRICE. IVE USED AOD LENTECH $$$$ C-4 CHEAP AND A VARIETY OF 5 SPEEDS
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO $$$

sn95gt19 · 05-20-2002, 09:50 AM

it sounds like a street driver to me-so with no overdrive i dont think that would be a good idea.

Mach 1 · 05-20-2002, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HOT-RUD
WHY NOT A C-4 CONVERSION CHEAP PARTS GREAT RESULTS PARTS ARE ALMOST HALF THE PRICE. IVE USED AOD LENTECH $$$$ C-4 CHEAP AND A VARIETY OF 5 SPEEDS
IT ALL COMES DOWN TO $$$

Bad for cruising when you have steep gears in the back

05-18-2002, 12:08 PM	#1
90LxDroptop Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arlington Hts. IL Posts: 315	t-5 vs. AOD Well, I've pretty much decided on doing the t-5 swap. BORED with this AOD! I'm just wondering, if driven well (the T5) how much faster is the manual going to be than my AOD with a TransGo shift kit? thanx. __________________ 90 LX Convertible 5.0 AOD 3.73 Gears, Underdrive Pulleys, TransGo shift kit, A servo, Subframe Connectors, o/r h-pipe, 2 chamber flows, Pony Wheels

05-18-2002, 12:34 PM	#2
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	If you can drive it right, a good bit faster. I'd say upwards of .5 - .7 seconds. The biggest problem you're gonna start seeing is traction problems and getting the hang of power shifting. I can pull a good many people on the street because (with decent tires), I don't have to worry about spinning. I can punch it and go....and go it will. If you haven't driven a stick Mustang in a while, it's gonna take some time to learn to launch the thing out of the hole. Also, no T-5 is gonna shift like a properly setup AOD, no matter the person at the helm. Drivers can't shift as fast nor as consistant. With a proper gear and a torque converter, you could get there with the AOD, but I understand how you feel. Heck, I learned to drive on a stick, and I only bought this AOD car because it was too good to pass up. I've thought a couple of times about swapping out, but now that I've got basically a new tranny, I'll just "suffer" with my fun little AOD. When set up right they can sure get you your jollies . --nathan __________________ '91 GT, Coast 347, 9.5:1 compression, full intake, Wolverine 1087 cam, exhaust, Keith Craft ported Windsor Jr. Irons (235 cfm intake, 195 cfm exhaust), AOD, PI 3500 converter, Lentech valve body, 3.73's (4.10's in the works), and Yokohama ES100's out back. Daily Car: '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT

05-18-2002, 12:48 PM	#3
sn95gt19 motors done......woohooo Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 799	id say the same .4-.7 tenths faster with a 5 speed, that is if you know how to drive it. people always say that aod's can be better if built right, but i think that the only time an aod is at an advantage is when your running 11.30's or faster, some people may think otherwise. thats just my 2 cents __________________ 95gt lazer red (98 cobra clone) Rice Haters Club Member #116

05-18-2002, 02:18 PM	#4
silver_pilate DURKA DURKA!! Join Date: Sep 1997 Location: Lubbock, TX...(TX panhandle) Posts: 1,418	Yeah, AOD's have the definate advantage if you've got enough power to spin 'em. For street use and track use, they can be built to run with five speeds. A valve body, gears, and a loose converter will almost get you there. The main thing with AOD's is the increased amount of rotating mass. A 9" converter helps to lessen this (an alumium shaft also helps) and the gearing allows the motor to get in the power band more quickly. It takes money, but an AOD can be made to run with a T-5 if you've got the power. You're right however, in that for the most part if you've got two cars with identical power mods, the T-5 can be quicker than the modded AOD. But alot depends on the driver. Modded AOD's can have an advantage because driver error is taken away. All you gotta do is throw the lever and mash the pedal. With a stick, you've gotta learn how to launch, how to slip the clutch, and you've gotta make the correct shifter throws. That's what can make a daily driven moddified AOD quicker than a T-5....the driving element alone. --nathan __________________ '91 GT, Coast 347, 9.5:1 compression, full intake, Wolverine 1087 cam, exhaust, Keith Craft ported Windsor Jr. Irons (235 cfm intake, 195 cfm exhaust), AOD, PI 3500 converter, Lentech valve body, 3.73's (4.10's in the works), and Yokohama ES100's out back. Daily Car: '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan 6MT

05-18-2002, 06:30 PM	#5
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	The AOD can be made fun to drive like Nathan said, but to do it right costs some coin (good converter, valve body, shifter, gears, etc..) and the 5 speed will still be faster if driven by a good driver due to the AOD sucking up a lot more power to operate. I enjoy the convience of the automatic and dont like to shift, so I modded my AOD and can live with it being a little slower than similar 5 speed cars. After all, there always someone faster, and it all comes down to how much coin you have. More coin, faster you can go. Yeah, the AOD can still be boring at times, but when your stuck in traffic, it sure is nice then Just make sure you want a stick before you go through the expense of the swap. And dont waste your time swapping to a T-5, go straight to a Tremec. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

05-19-2002, 01:04 AM	#6
90LxDroptop Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arlington Hts. IL Posts: 315	thanx! Thanx a lot for the input guys. I appreciate it. Mach 1, I would love to go to a Tremec but unfortunately I'm in high school and I don't make that much money. (toys R' us doesn't shower their employees with riches I guess...) so I'm probably gonna have to settle with a T-5. oh well. thanx again. __________________ 90 LX Convertible 5.0 AOD 3.73 Gears, Underdrive Pulleys, TransGo shift kit, A servo, Subframe Connectors, o/r h-pipe, 2 chamber flows, Pony Wheels

05-19-2002, 04:48 AM	#7
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	I dont think a tremec is that much more? A few hundred maybe? Its worth it. Well, if your car isnt that strong a runner, I guess you dont need the Tremec, but its nice to do it right the first time and not worry about it again, especially if you plan to keep the car or make more power later. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

05-20-2002, 01:02 AM	#8
Silver5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mukilteo,Wa,U.S. Posts: 53	Well I'm still in high school too i'm a junior (11th) and I have 1991 GT and i'm lovng it with the new tranny it's the TCI street fighter w/ the manuel valvebody, it shifts extremely hard and handles pretty much everthing i've thrown at it so maybe think about building the aod first.

05-20-2002, 09:42 AM	#9
HOT-RUD Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1	WHY NOT A C-4 CONVERSION CHEAP PARTS GREAT RESULTS PARTS ARE ALMOST HALF THE PRICE. IVE USED AOD LENTECH $$$$ C-4 CHEAP AND A VARIETY OF 5 SPEEDS IT ALL COMES DOWN TO $$$

05-20-2002, 09:50 AM	#10
sn95gt19 motors done......woohooo Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 799	it sounds like a street driver to me-so with no overdrive i dont think that would be a good idea. __________________ 95gt lazer red (98 cobra clone) Rice Haters Club Member #116