Too tough to try at home???

Mike Souslin · 07-15-2001, 06:06 PM

My buddy, 302LXEric, just purchased an aluminum flywheel and 10.5 King Cobra clutch system. We would like to tackle this job on our own but have never done it before. Is this a job that we can complete in a home garage??? I know that the first steps are to remove the driveshaft and pull the tranny out but from there we may need some help. Is this more complicated that just removing the old and bolting up the new??? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.

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91 Coupe with fresh rebuild. Running Stage 2 Avenger heads (51cc chambers), Stage 2 cam (.549, .566)1.7 Crane Gold Race rockers, Port matched GT-40 upper & lower, 75mm Bullet MAF, 65mm Accufab TB, MSD 6AL, Long Tubes through off road and Dynomax muffs. Stock T-5 and 3.73 gears. Big Blue Bottle on it's way!!!
Best time so far = 60'=2.021, 1/8=8.366 at 86.37 mph and the 1/4 was 12.926 at 108.94mph.

withamc · 07-16-2001, 12:21 AM

You just need basic hand tools, a service manual would be a good idea. The two of you should be able to do it on a Saturday. An impact wrench would be helpful for getting the flywheel bolts off, I rent a puller to get the pilot bearing out of the end of the crankshaft, although some people swear by the grease and punch method. The pilot bearing and getting the top two bolts off the bellhousing will probably be the hardest things you'll run into.

MiracleMax · 07-16-2001, 12:34 AM

Naw, pretty straight forward.

Drop the trans, pull the clutch, then pull the flywheel.

Parts
1. Clutch & Flywheel
2. Pilot Bearing
3. Throwout Bearing
4. Thread locking compound.
5. Flywheel bolts
6. Presure Plate bolts

Tools
1. basic tool set
2. Clutch alignment tool
3. Torque wrench
4. breaker bar
5. Flywheel turning tool
6. Jack
(2, 4, 5 and 6 make things easier)

New bolts are cheap insurance along with the thread locking compound. The torque wrench is indespensible. Unless you buy into to the ding-dong tire installer method of using an impact wrench to stretch bolts down so tight as to become completely useless. Its a straight forward deal to swap things out. Just kinda awkward underneath a car with just jackstands.

302 LX Eric · 07-16-2001, 07:30 AM

Thanks for the quick replies.

What is a clutch alignment tool? How much $$$? And where could I get/rent a "puller" to get the pilot bearing out? What is a "flywheel Turning Tool?"

Thanks,
E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

[This message has been edited by 302 LX Eric (edited 07-16-2001).]

Mach 1 · 07-16-2001, 07:40 AM

A clutch alignment tool is very cheap (a couple dollars) and is available at auto parts stores. It keeps everything lined up when you bolt down the pressure plate, so your tranny input shaft will slide straight in. As mentioned above, you dont need it, but I would highly recommend it. Lifting a tranny up and down on your garage floor over and over because you cant get it seated is no fun.

You dont need the flywheel turning tool, so dont worry about that. I know I never used one anyway.

This is a great job to tackle by yourselves. Difficult and technical enough to be a great learning experience, but also rather simple at the same time.

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1993 GT/AOD
'93 Mustang GT

86LX5liter · 07-16-2001, 02:03 PM

Most clutch kits come with a clutch alignment tool. At least every single one I"ve ever bought has come with one. I put the billet steel flywheel with the same clutch, and it is nice. You'll be very happy. Just take your time, and you'll be fine.

------------------
Warmed over 302,
Edelbrock Carb, MSD, Accel, t-5 w/ frpp flywheel & clutch, Hurst shifter, traction bars, ds safety loop, subframes, 3.08 posi, shorties, H, and Flows. Same setup w/ auto netted a 12.54 @ 110.90
in a 300 lbs heavier car.
Can't wait till Spring for E-town.
1981 GT

302 LX Eric · 07-16-2001, 02:07 PM

Does anyone know if I need to pull my H-pipe before attempting the T5? Or, will the T5 slide through?

E

LX NCH 50 · 07-16-2001, 03:20 PM

I dropped my H-Pipe to pull my Tranny, I don't think the Cross member for the tranny can come down with the H-Pipe.

foxandfoe · 07-16-2001, 03:41 PM

take the h pipe down its much simpler
be safe use jack stands if u put all
fours up it will be much esier if not chock the wheels shake the car a little before
u get under it to make sure its sturdy
spray the exuast bolts down and all the others with wd40 and drive the car for a while it will be much eiasier to get them
off do this a few days before you do the
job. its not a easy job to do on the ground your arms will hurt esp for beginer but it can be done take your time and be safe it
can be dangerous under there people are killed and hurt all the time from a car falling so be SAFE

Mike Souslin · 07-16-2001, 05:18 PM

Hey Eric! I know that I said that I would help you but that was before anybody said that cars would be falling on me! How about I just sit in the garage, drink beer and hand tools to you as you need them!?!

Just Kidding. Thanks for all of the replies. We are pulling the tranny this evening and will post to let you all know how it goes! Thanks again!

302 LX Eric · 07-17-2001, 08:14 AM

UPDATE

Tranny and clutch are out of the car! Finished about 1:00AM.

I am taking the tranny to a local shop to have them go through it and see what shape it is in.

One problem though, how in the hell do you get the flywheel bolts off?!?!? Those damn things are really in there.

E

withamc · 07-17-2001, 09:39 AM

Impact wrench. Or, you need to find some way to keep the engine from turning while you crank on them with a breaker bar.

btr · 07-17-2001, 01:24 PM

Try a 1/2 drive socket set with about an 18 inch breaker bar. They will come lose easily with the right leverage.

07-15-2001, 06:06 PM	#1
Mike Souslin Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Grove City Ohio Posts: 226	Too tough to try at home??? My buddy, 302LXEric, just purchased an aluminum flywheel and 10.5 King Cobra clutch system. We would like to tackle this job on our own but have never done it before. Is this a job that we can complete in a home garage??? I know that the first steps are to remove the driveshaft and pull the tranny out but from there we may need some help. Is this more complicated that just removing the old and bolting up the new??? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. ------------------ 91 Coupe with fresh rebuild. Running Stage 2 Avenger heads (51cc chambers), Stage 2 cam (.549, .566)1.7 Crane Gold Race rockers, Port matched GT-40 upper & lower, 75mm Bullet MAF, 65mm Accufab TB, MSD 6AL, Long Tubes through off road and Dynomax muffs. Stock T-5 and 3.73 gears. Big Blue Bottle on it's way!!! Best time so far = 60'=2.021, 1/8=8.366 at 86.37 mph and the 1/4 was 12.926 at 108.94mph.

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07-16-2001, 12:21 AM	#2
withamc Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 396	You just need basic hand tools, a service manual would be a good idea. The two of you should be able to do it on a Saturday. An impact wrench would be helpful for getting the flywheel bolts off, I rent a puller to get the pilot bearing out of the end of the crankshaft, although some people swear by the grease and punch method. The pilot bearing and getting the top two bolts off the bellhousing will probably be the hardest things you'll run into.

07-16-2001, 12:34 AM	#3
MiracleMax Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Hayes, Va, USA Posts: 798	Naw, pretty straight forward. Drop the trans, pull the clutch, then pull the flywheel. Parts 1. Clutch & Flywheel 2. Pilot Bearing 3. Throwout Bearing 4. Thread locking compound. 5. Flywheel bolts 6. Presure Plate bolts Tools 1. basic tool set 2. Clutch alignment tool 3. Torque wrench 4. breaker bar 5. Flywheel turning tool 6. Jack (2, 4, 5 and 6 make things easier) New bolts are cheap insurance along with the thread locking compound. The torque wrench is indespensible. Unless you buy into to the ding-dong tire installer method of using an impact wrench to stretch bolts down so tight as to become completely useless. Its a straight forward deal to swap things out. Just kinda awkward underneath a car with just jackstands.

07-16-2001, 07:30 AM	#4
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	Thanks for the quick replies. What is a clutch alignment tool? How much $$$? And where could I get/rent a "puller" to get the pilot bearing out? What is a "flywheel Turning Tool?" Thanks, E ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60' [This message has been edited by 302 LX Eric (edited 07-16-2001).]

07-16-2001, 07:40 AM	#5
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	A clutch alignment tool is very cheap (a couple dollars) and is available at auto parts stores. It keeps everything lined up when you bolt down the pressure plate, so your tranny input shaft will slide straight in. As mentioned above, you dont need it, but I would highly recommend it. Lifting a tranny up and down on your garage floor over and over because you cant get it seated is no fun. You dont need the flywheel turning tool, so dont worry about that. I know I never used one anyway. This is a great job to tackle by yourselves. Difficult and technical enough to be a great learning experience, but also rather simple at the same time. ------------------ 1993 GT/AOD '93 Mustang GT

07-16-2001, 02:03 PM	#6
86LX5liter Registered Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NY Posts: 524	Most clutch kits come with a clutch alignment tool. At least every single one I"ve ever bought has come with one. I put the billet steel flywheel with the same clutch, and it is nice. You'll be very happy. Just take your time, and you'll be fine. ------------------ Warmed over 302, Edelbrock Carb, MSD, Accel, t-5 w/ frpp flywheel & clutch, Hurst shifter, traction bars, ds safety loop, subframes, 3.08 posi, shorties, H, and Flows. Same setup w/ auto netted a 12.54 @ 110.90 in a 300 lbs heavier car. Can't wait till Spring for E-town. 1981 GT

07-16-2001, 02:07 PM	#7
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	Does anyone know if I need to pull my H-pipe before attempting the T5? Or, will the T5 slide through? E

07-16-2001, 03:20 PM	#8
LX NCH 50 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Schaumburg, IL, USA Posts: 31	I dropped my H-Pipe to pull my Tranny, I don't think the Cross member for the tranny can come down with the H-Pipe.

07-16-2001, 03:41 PM	#9
foxandfoe Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: new castle pa Posts: 32	take the h pipe down its much simpler be safe use jack stands if u put all fours up it will be much esier if not chock the wheels shake the car a little before u get under it to make sure its sturdy spray the exuast bolts down and all the others with wd40 and drive the car for a while it will be much eiasier to get them off do this a few days before you do the job. its not a easy job to do on the ground your arms will hurt esp for beginer but it can be done take your time and be safe it can be dangerous under there people are killed and hurt all the time from a car falling so be SAFE

07-16-2001, 05:18 PM	#10
Mike Souslin Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Grove City Ohio Posts: 226	Hey Eric! I know that I said that I would help you but that was before anybody said that cars would be falling on me! How about I just sit in the garage, drink beer and hand tools to you as you need them!?! Just Kidding. Thanks for all of the replies. We are pulling the tranny this evening and will post to let you all know how it goes! Thanks again!

07-17-2001, 08:14 AM	#11
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	UPDATE Tranny and clutch are out of the car! Finished about 1:00AM. I am taking the tranny to a local shop to have them go through it and see what shape it is in. One problem though, how in the hell do you get the flywheel bolts off?!?!? Those damn things are really in there. E

07-17-2001, 09:39 AM	#12
withamc Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 396	Impact wrench. Or, you need to find some way to keep the engine from turning while you crank on them with a breaker bar.

07-17-2001, 01:24 PM	#13
btr Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Mandan, ND USA Posts: 184	Try a 1/2 drive socket set with about an 18 inch breaker bar. They will come lose easily with the right leverage.