Where can I find more power?

ols0051 · 07-19-2004, 10:56 PM

I have the following.1-5/8 shortys,mac o/r x pipe,6al,msd coil,8.5mm wires,3:73's,t-5,no ac,no smog,weld draglites,26x10.5et streets,k&n,timing15degr, Now I just took off the stock upper and lower intake,and added a trick flow street upper & lower then replaced the stock throttle body with a bbk70mm and I only gained 2 tenths. Is this to be expected? I was hoping for a little more. Is my stock mass air meter now limiting air flow enough not to notice a gain with the intake swap??thanks...14.20@97

NO SLO PK · 07-19-2004, 11:51 PM

20 hp isn't a bad gain for the intake and TB, considering your stock heads and MAF are probably the bottleneck. I bet if you add a set of TW or AFR heads and a new MAF you'll gain 10 mph+.

jonnyk · 07-20-2004, 07:02 AM

You can find more power in your wallet

How fast do you want to spend?

ols0051 · 07-20-2004, 11:07 AM

I'll spend whatever it takes to keep seeing those fart pipe cars in my mirrors. And for now that is not the case..

LX5liter · 07-20-2004, 11:45 AM

Its time for heads and cam.

tireburner163 · 07-20-2004, 12:07 PM

You won't pick up a whole lot with just a intake swap because the heads are the real bottle neck.

A set of roller rockers would be my next mod if I was you.

ols0051 · 07-20-2004, 12:24 PM

I am going to put on a new set of afr165's this winter so I'll do the rockers than. So for the most part it looks like I'm stuck for now. I just went to the local junkyard and picked up a electric fan for a taurus, Hopefully I'll get that to workout. I also have to order a cage and put it in if I go.2ths faster being a convert. I hope the heads, cam, rockers,tub k-member w/coilovers,maf,24lbinj, gets me there???? All I have is the fan itself. Can I use the coolant temp sensor from the same 94taurus and somehow get it to work???

tireburner163 · 07-20-2004, 12:29 PM

with those heads and the other mods your planning you should be solidly into the 12's

Fat0eknee · 07-20-2004, 12:40 PM

you must find power in the bottle

ols0051 · 07-20-2004, 02:06 PM

Oh, I forgot about that, Why not, I'll spray it a little too. than maybe I can finally get out of the 14's... Does anyone know about wiring up that taurus fan I have? I just got the fan from the scrap yard $45 and I want it to turn on by itself, what all will I need for it to do that using parts from the local auto store???Thanks...

NO SLO PK · 07-20-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by ols0051
Oh, I forgot about that, Why not, I'll spray it a little too. than maybe I can finally get out of the 14's... Does anyone know about wiring up that taurus fan I have? I just got the fan from the scrap yard $45 and I want it to turn on by itself, what all will I need for it to do that using parts from the local auto store???Thanks...

Here's a link to wiring a MKVIII electric fan. The wiring and control layout should be the same with your Taurus fan.

http://www.qsl.net/wd4ngb/markviii.htm

ols0051 · 07-20-2004, 03:47 PM

That will work, Perfect thanks alot.

BLOCKER · 07-20-2004, 05:36 PM

did you try looking under the bed, or try behind the couch.....

Just kidding

RPM427 · 07-20-2004, 06:18 PM

Put your car on a diet, Dropping a couple hundred pounds is the easiest way to pick up a few tenths.

88fivepointoh · 07-23-2004, 08:39 AM

upgrade that small mass air sensor and go with at least 24lb injectors maybe 30's with matching mass air sensor and obviously adj. fuel pressure regulator ( bbk) and gauge. that would be my next buy in your setup. heads and cam do wonderss. I used the F-cam and i loved it.. great idle. scares the
$hit out of people when you go down the road. people will argue with me on the old technology of the Ford cams but it worked out great for me.

ols0051 · 07-23-2004, 10:22 AM

I'm working on choosing a mass air meter. I don't know if I should go with a 73mm or 75-76. I'm using a bbk 70mm tb. Than I'll have to figure out what size injector I need to run.

88fivepointoh · 07-23-2004, 12:45 PM

well decied well, cause if you get 24lb injectors then your stuck with a matching mass air.. i would do 30lb injectors safe injectors with plenty of mod capability. saves you in the long run.. I made that mistake.

ols0051 · 07-23-2004, 12:58 PM

I posted somewhere else yesterday asking about meters, and I was looking at one that came with a sample tube for 19# and 24#. Is it just a matter of swapping out the tube somehow. I didn't think getting thru this part of the mods was going to take this much thought. But like you say, I want to buy parts once not 4 times to get it right. But I suppose that is the nature of the beast.

tireburner163 · 07-23-2004, 01:53 PM

You don't need 24 lb/hr injectors on a stock headed motor and putting 30's on a stock headed N/A motor is just stupid.

Stick with the stock 19's for now until you've got a good heads, cam, intake set up on.

88fivepointoh · 07-23-2004, 03:02 PM

LIKE I SAID, BUY ONCE NOT MANY TIMES...

07-19-2004, 10:56 PM	#1
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	Where can I find more power? I have the following.1-5/8 shortys,mac o/r x pipe,6al,msd coil,8.5mm wires,3:73's,t-5,no ac,no smog,weld draglites,26x10.5et streets,k&n,timing15degr, Now I just took off the stock upper and lower intake,and added a trick flow street upper & lower then replaced the stock throttle body with a bbk70mm and I only gained 2 tenths. Is this to be expected? I was hoping for a little more. Is my stock mass air meter now limiting air flow enough not to notice a gain with the intake swap??thanks...14.20@97

07-19-2004, 11:51 PM	#2
NO SLO PK Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Arcadia, CA, USA Posts: 731	20 hp isn't a bad gain for the intake and TB, considering your stock heads and MAF are probably the bottleneck. I bet if you add a set of TW or AFR heads and a new MAF you'll gain 10 mph+. __________________ Russ L '91 LX - 331 w/ Procharger '03 Cobra Convertible - Pullied '94 Lightning '65 Mustang Coupe

07-20-2004, 07:02 AM	#3
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	You can find more power in your wallet How fast do you want to spend? __________________ Novi 2000 now spinning off the snout of the 331... Mods Pics

07-20-2004, 11:45 AM	#5
LX5liter dude5l Join Date: May 2001 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada Posts: 603	Its time for heads and cam. __________________ Good luck! Brad R. 1992 L.X. 5.0 coupe MODS: A few little bolt ons New Best time ...11.60 @ 128 mph @ 2000+ ft altitude. Rice Haters Club member #39 Users rides #2542

07-20-2004, 12:07 PM	#6
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	You won't pick up a whole lot with just a intake swap because the heads are the real bottle neck. A set of roller rockers would be my next mod if I was you. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-20-2004, 11:07 AM	#4
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	I'll spend whatever it takes to keep seeing those fart pipe cars in my mirrors. And for now that is not the case..

07-20-2004, 12:24 PM	#7
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	I am going to put on a new set of afr165's this winter so I'll do the rockers than. So for the most part it looks like I'm stuck for now. I just went to the local junkyard and picked up a electric fan for a taurus, Hopefully I'll get that to workout. I also have to order a cage and put it in if I go.2ths faster being a convert. I hope the heads, cam, rockers,tub k-member w/coilovers,maf,24lbinj, gets me there???? All I have is the fan itself. Can I use the coolant temp sensor from the same 94taurus and somehow get it to work???

07-20-2004, 12:29 PM	#8
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	with those heads and the other mods your planning you should be solidly into the 12's __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-20-2004, 12:40 PM	#9
Fat0eknee I'm slow ...I know. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston Posts: 518	you must find power in the bottle

07-20-2004, 02:06 PM	#10
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	Oh, I forgot about that, Why not, I'll spray it a little too. than maybe I can finally get out of the 14's... Does anyone know about wiring up that taurus fan I have? I just got the fan from the scrap yard $45 and I want it to turn on by itself, what all will I need for it to do that using parts from the local auto store???Thanks...

07-20-2004, 03:47 PM	#12
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	That will work, Perfect thanks alot.

07-20-2004, 05:36 PM	#13
BLOCKER Registered Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: EDMONTON, Alberta, Canada Posts: 232	did you try looking under the bed, or try behind the couch..... Just kidding __________________ -1988 MUSTANG COBRA GT (Canadian...eh!) -1987 Mustang LX coupe (2.3L) -1978 Harley Davidson FLH -2008 Harley Davidson Nightster 1200 -2008 Harley Davidson Night Rod Special -1997 Jaguar XK8 Convertable

07-20-2004, 06:18 PM	#14
RPM427 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Huntington NY Posts: 573	Put your car on a diet, Dropping a couple hundred pounds is the easiest way to pick up a few tenths. __________________ -1993 Mustang, 900rwhp 03-04 cobra based 4v swap, full Griggs setup, project underway -1994 Ranger w/ 427cid windsor (daily beater) check it out!

07-23-2004, 08:39 AM	#15
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	upgrade that small mass air sensor and go with at least 24lb injectors maybe 30's with matching mass air sensor and obviously adj. fuel pressure regulator ( bbk) and gauge. that would be my next buy in your setup. heads and cam do wonderss. I used the F-cam and i loved it.. great idle. scares the $hit out of people when you go down the road. people will argue with me on the old technology of the Ford cams but it worked out great for me.

07-23-2004, 10:22 AM	#16
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	I'm working on choosing a mass air meter. I don't know if I should go with a 73mm or 75-76. I'm using a bbk 70mm tb. Than I'll have to figure out what size injector I need to run.

07-23-2004, 12:45 PM	#17
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	well decied well, cause if you get 24lb injectors then your stuck with a matching mass air.. i would do 30lb injectors safe injectors with plenty of mod capability. saves you in the long run.. I made that mistake.

07-23-2004, 12:58 PM	#18
ols0051 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cent.wis Posts: 203	I posted somewhere else yesterday asking about meters, and I was looking at one that came with a sample tube for 19# and 24#. Is it just a matter of swapping out the tube somehow. I didn't think getting thru this part of the mods was going to take this much thought. But like you say, I want to buy parts once not 4 times to get it right. But I suppose that is the nature of the beast.

07-23-2004, 01:53 PM	#19
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	You don't need 24 lb/hr injectors on a stock headed motor and putting 30's on a stock headed N/A motor is just stupid. Stick with the stock 19's for now until you've got a good heads, cam, intake set up on. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-23-2004, 03:02 PM	#20
88fivepointoh Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rochester Posts: 553	LIKE I SAID, BUY ONCE NOT MANY TIMES...

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