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ZR-1
I was just wondering if anybody has raced a ZR-1 Corvette. I have only read about you guys racing LS1's.........what would somebody need to make a Stang keep up with a Z?????
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I just bought my car Oct 10 2000 & never driven it, but a friend Has A 1990 LX with underdrive pulleys, bbk shorty headers, Mac 2.5" off road h- pipe, 3.55 gears, 14* of timing, lowering springs, & he has raced a ZR-1, Not to sucessfully though, he wants Heads, Cam & an intake to show those ZR-1's their place.
the easiest way to spank those Vettes is a blower, or nitrous (less work than installing Heads, Cam & Intake). Hope you tell them where it's at! ------------------ No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!). |
Yeah...someday I would love to run with a ZR-1. I don't want to piss anybody off but I do love vette's. I was brought up around them, and have driven my dads......although my stang is faster than it, it is just a whole nother feeling driving one. I guess I just respect a good car.
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One of my friends had a 91 ZR1 and those are pretty fast. His wan't stock though - it had some work done by Mallet. Iwas pretty cool though - even had a 6 point cage in it. He never ran it at the 1/4 but autocrossed it frequently. It was more than a rush than my car...
------------------ 87 LX50 Convertible - ProM conversion - Ported Cobra Intake - Ron Anderson TFS TW heads - Steeda 18 Cam - 30lb injectors - Kenny Brown chassis kit - Motorsport Springs -Steeda 17x8.5 Wheels - Light bar - etc... http://fastfreddy.stangnet.com |
There was a red ZR1 corvette at Gainesville FL running 12.90's @108.00mph.
Don't know if he had any mod's. ------------------ James Cox nochevy@hotmail.com 1991 Mustang LX 12.565 @109.38mph 1.764 60ft |
I used to be a vette freak, that is... until i went for a ride in a guy at my works 1990 5.0 lx hb with 3.55's pulleys...
the best run a STOCK zr-1 could run is 12.9, but thankfully there are many stangs that put them in their place (hopefully i will when i get NOS, if not when i get my twin turbo kit). Keep those vettes in the rearview mirror! ------------------ No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe (Sounds Mean), K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box), 198.9 rwhp @4200 (235 Motor!!), 285 lbs-ft @2900 (336 Motor!!!). |
The first stang i ever rode in was a friends 88 lx hatch, with 351 windsor ported hds, 70mm tb, 1-5/8 eql lnght saleen headers, h-pipe, e-cam, and cobra intk, 17in wheels lowered, it was said to run door to door with a zr1 http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif i wouldn't doubt it, that sucker flew!
------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,advncd ignition,3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 14.20(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph 97.80 Best 60' 2.1 next mods: subframes, 3.73's |
I did at the track and then he followed me home. I beat him by about 6 cars, Don't get me wrong they are fast but.......
------------------ 89 LX Supercharged DSS 357, 11 lbs Powerdyne, Downs Box intake, ported GT-40x heads, lockwired, Crane Cam 1.6 rockers, Crower cam, Oil cooler, Moroso oil evac kit, Taylor 10mm wires, MAC 70mm T/B, 30lb injectors, Vortech fuel rails, Pro M 75mm Mass air, Vortech T-Rex Fuel pump, 255lph intank pump, K&N, Cobra R radiator MSD6-BTM, Lakewood bellhousing, Tremec Trans, Pro 5.0 shifter, MAC headers and X-pipe, Dynomax race mufflers. Dyno at 556hp to the wheels. |
The only 'vette anyone should worry about is the one with a 427 between the shock towers. If you build it, they will run!
------------------ 1989 GT- Vortech blown 306, Anderson 3" power pipe, Vortech S-Trim 14# boost, MSD-6BTM, black wrinkle finish Cobra valve covers(woohoo), world class T-5, 3.55 gears, custom sub-frame connectors, Cobra grille insert and rear valance, Saleen "whale" wing, 4 wheel disc conversion, est 1/4mile time of 10.5+/- 1994 Cobra- MAC cold air fender kit, Motorsport underdrive pulley's, MAC 21/2" off-road H pipe, SVO mufflers, 3.73 gears, E-303 cam, 13.417@101.335mph |
The ZR1 is fast, but the new Z06 is suppose to be even faster. I have seen several 5.0's that can keep up and even beat it, at least in the 1/4 mile. Beyond the 1/4 the I don't think there are many 5.0's that can catch it, it's supose to be able to go to the 200mph.
------------------ 89 (GR40 Griggs)LX 89 LX Coupe 90 LX Coupe |
Pride in ownership is great guys, but lets wake up and smell the coffee. A STOCK Mustang has NO CHANCE against a stock, late model vette of any kind. A 1990 to 92 ZR1 has 375hp and runs high 12's, a 93 to 95 zr has 405 hp and is faster. A c5 has 355 hp and runs about 13 flat, a Z06 has 385 and runs mid 12's. Lets compare apples to apples. I dont know when the last time I saw a STOCK mustang run in the 14's and the sure the hell didnt run 13's or 12's. LETS TRY TO STAY OUT OF FANTASYLAND :-)
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I smell troll... ------------------ '91 LX Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles. |
YEP YEP YEP
------------------ 89 LX Supercharged DSS 357, 11 lbs Powerdyne, Downs Box intake, ported GT-40x heads, lockwired, Crane Cam 1.6 rockers, Crower cam, Oil cooler, Moroso oil evac kit, Taylor 10mm wires, MAC 70mm T/B, 30lb injectors, Vortech fuel rails, Pro M 75mm Mass air, Vortech T-Rex Fuel pump, 255lph intank pump, K&N, Cobra R radiator MSD6-BTM, Lakewood bellhousing, Tremec Trans, Pro 5.0 shifter, MAC headers and X-pipe, Dynomax race mufflers. Dyno at 556hp to the wheels. |
yeah but compare for what you pay for a vette look what you can do too a stang,any one of those vettes you could smoke and still have cash left over. http://hapygas.stangnet.com
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Don't let the one post troll get your panties in a bunch.....
ZR1's run about as quick as a lightly modded WS6. Nothing special. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...oard/smile.gif |
Don't forget that the parts on the vetts are made for higher proformance also. You put a set of heads on a mustang that flow as well as a ZR-1s you will notice a breathing difference. Then also price in working on it too is steep. They are nice but expensive!
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Well I don't know about the 5.0's that have a hard time running 14's, but I know my stock 87GT can run 11's. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...ard/tongue.gif Just ask the ricers who say they run 12's before I whoop up on 'em. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif
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I dont know when the last time I saw a STOCK mustang run in the 14's and the sure the hell didnt run 13's or 12's. LETS TRY TO STAY OUT OF FANTASYLAND :-)
Where have you been? My stock 88GT runs 13.80 in the 1/4 and my stock 93GT runs 14.90 STOCK!! ------------------ 93 Mustang GT. Vortec exhaust,K&N 14.90@93 |
OH sorry for the misguided response. So your saying a MODIFIED mustang can run with a STOCK corvette, hmmmm that was pretty much my point too.
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A ZR1 compared to a 5.0 is not much of a comparsion, its like comparing a VW to a porsche. A VW can beat a Porsche if modified, a 5.0 can beat the ZR1 if modified. So whats the point..
------------------ 89 (GR40 Griggs)LX 89 LX Coupe 90 LX Coupe |
It's all simple economics for me. I'd rather spend $20,000 or so for a new stang and then a few thousand extra on performance stuff. Who the hell wants to spend $40,000 on a car anyway...a CHEVY no less? Think what you could do with a Mustang for $40,000 (including the car). And, yes, while stock-for-stock Mustang vs. Corvette races are pretty much in the bag for the Vette, you can always laugh at those pathetic balding middle aged accountants driving them. Hell, ever notice only people over 35 drive them? That's because you have to save up till you're middle aged to afford one! It makes me feel dirty just to think about it. I'm gonna take a shower now.
------------------ 1984 1/2 GT350 (#842 Hatchback w/ T-tops), 302HO, Comp cams Xtreme Energy cam, Carter 625cfm carb, Weiand Stealth intake, MSD distributor, MSD coil, FMS 9mm wires, 1 5/8" MAC unequal shorties, 2 1/2" MAC Prochamber H-pipe, Flowmaster 2 chambers, KYBs, 16"x8" 4 lug Cobra Rs, Falken 245/45ZR16s |
So whats the point..
There isn't one and a Mustang is no VW, in case you hadn't noticed. 'Vette lovers know that the 40-large (plus) the Vette costs is what buys the high-12 to low 13-second et's. The Corvette is a great car and maybe a good buy for the price but the Mustang is a lot more practical and certainly more responsive to low-cost mods that can keep it running with most stock 'Vettes, should the owner want to do so. Many do. $5,000. (blower and heads plus some suspension work) on any 5.0 will put it in the mid 12's and just a blower on a new 4.6 will usually have it even with a stock "Vette in the quarter. Your results may vary. Pride in ownership is fine but too many Covette owners think they own the road and all should bow to them and the plastic god they presume to worship. Ain't so. Most Mustang owners respect the Corvette for it's history and cache, as well as it's current real-world performance but we are not awed, just respectful. I believe this respect should cut both ways but often, the 'Vette owners are a bit too impressed with themselves and the presumed uniqueness of the Corvette, to the extent that they get an 'attitude' toward other performance cars that is reflected in sneering comments about the ability of Corvettes to 'run 12's' (rare and usually a 12.9) while claiming that new Mustangs can't run 14's. This sours the whole discussion because it's false and just ego talking. So it goes; the old 'mine is better than yours' argument. No real point to it all but it keeps the juices flowing and as long as it doesn't get foul or absurd, all in the spirit of healthy competition. I hope. http://www.mustangworks.com/interact...rd/biggrin.gif |
MR 5.0 I never would consider a VW a Mustang I used the comparsion as an example.
The Mustang & VW are mass produced cars, they are both made for a mass market. The the ZR1 is not a mass market car and like the Porsche both are a limited high performance car. In stock form the Mustang compared to the ZR1 is not much of a comparsion and the same goes for the VW compared to the Porsche. The aftermarket is really what makes the Mustang able to run circles around most any car on the road if done right, including the ZR1, Porsche, Viper, etc., but that kind of power does not come cheap. ------------------ 89 (GR40 Griggs)LX 89 LX Coupe 90 LX Coupe |
Man.....I didn't think this topic would turn into an argument. All I really wanted to know was how many mods it would take to run with a ZR-1. And after being on this site for awhile now it seems like the most important thing to do is hook up, no matter what you have for HP.
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