2002 mustang - Page 2

02slashstang · 08-25-2002, 01:46 AM

MustngMan2002,

Depending on your brand of intake, you probably gained 5-7 HP from the CAI. You might want to think about getting duals. Now that your stang is breathing more balance it with some duals!
Even y-pipe quasi duals are better than the single exhaust.
Better yet, get a set of GT duals! Only drawback on the GT duals is the loss of low end torque, BUT you gain more on the high end. (above 2500RPM or so)

Food for thought:

There is a new CAI that is available for 99+ by Demolet.

Its a full length CAI Densecharger...

According to the link Ive listed..you get gains of 12.5 HP and 14.8 lbs of torque! Dynotested!

http://www.stungbymystangmotorsports...argerdyno.html

It was tested on a 99+ stock V6 mustang.

Cheers!

02slashstang · 08-25-2002, 01:55 AM

well i am not exactly sure but with a cold air intake it is up to 20 more hp and flowmasters single exhaust maybe 10 to 15 more hp

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Also the flowmaster muffler alone is not going to give you 10 to 15 more HP over stock. I don't think they improve exhaust flow that much...maybe 2-3 HP if that. With duals you might gain 10HP depending on the brand...Do some research online and see what you can find out. GOOD LUCK!

Cheers!

MustngMan2002 · 08-25-2002, 10:42 PM

Well u have a 94 V6 and i have a 2002 V6 so there is alot more on a 2002 then a 94 i know u have a H pipe but if i can beat 94 gts and I know i have around 224 or 230 HP and i went racing last night and i was power breaking it to get my rpms up and i couldn't stop spinning for chap on a stick. and oh yes i can get a 2nd gear. i have a Dense Charger cold air intake

mustang2000 · 08-25-2002, 10:48 PM

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Also the flowmaster muffler alone is not going to give you 10 to 15 more HP over stock. I don't think they improve exhaust flow that much...maybe 2-3 HP if that. With duals you might gain 10HP depending on the brand...Do some research online and see what you can find out. GOOD LUCK!

Cheers! [/B][/QUOTE]

well it depends but with duals u get up to 20 hp more and plus if they put in a bigger pipe for the exhaust can also increase hp cause its more that goes out and not less and ford mufflers are more restrictive then the flowmasters i put in a single exhaust with 2 and 1/4 exhaust with an aerochamer muffler and according to them they said they are alot better in performance then the single flowmasters and i noticed a big difference in hp and acceleration

MustngMan2002 · 08-25-2002, 10:49 PM

I really just want to know what i am running in the 1/4 b\c i am allways going to Galveston and racing at cherry hill and i raced a honda and whiped his butt in the long run he took me on start b\c i couldn't stop spinning and when i stoped spinning was after red line it shifted around 6000 RPMs and everyone said my font end came off the ground so i don't know if it did or not

mustang2000 · 08-25-2002, 10:57 PM

u probably have 230 hp not sure cause the cold air intake can give u up to 20 hp i am not sure that is including the K&N air filter or not if its not the K&N air fillter can give u up to 15 more hp with increase with acceleration and faster response in throttle the single flows i am not sure if u got just muffler with the stock size pipes or got bigger ones but u might get up 10 to 15 more hp estimating anyways the older mustang gts dont have that much hp they only have 225 hp with 285 lbs of torque i think so which it wouldnt really suprise me with what u got that u would beat one

GodStang · 08-26-2002, 11:23 AM

Also with the older GT's if they have more than 80,000 miles good chance they have dropped about 20hp due to ware and tear and timeing chain sagging. So good chance if you are racing a stock 1994-1998 GT and they have not kept up with it than they have about 200hp. Due to the less weight the 99-02 v-6's should smoke a 94-98 gt if both stock or near stock. Plus 99-02 have better gears which will also help them beat the GT.

Keep beating people in your v-6s because we need respect too.

99Pony3.8 · 08-26-2002, 01:29 PM

OK, I have to set the record straight here. There is no way a CAI kit is giving 20 HP. You are lucky to get 5 HP without changing the MAS. I have seen the dyno results of the new Demolet kit and don't see how replacing the rubber tube after the MAS with a plastic pipe alone will add that much HP over their other CAI's. Its not mechanically possible. The kit is just like the MAC kit now, but plastic, and MAC only claims up to 5 HP. I'd like to see an independant, objective dyno test first before I would trust thier claims. CAI's are mostly eye candy attached to a K&N filter. Tests have proven the only part of the kit that improves HP is the K&N. The other stuff is just for looks.

GodStang - I have to disagree with you regarding a 99 or newer 3.8 beating an older GT. Yes, any car will lose HP after a great deal of wear, but the GT will still win. The GT has a ton of torque that a stock 3.8 can not touch. Usually a V-8 with the same HP numbers will still smoke a V-6 on torque alone. Any dragger will tell you it is torque that gets you off the line. I'd put my money on the GT.

mustang2000 · 08-26-2002, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 99Pony3.8
OK, I have to set the record straight here. There is no way a CAI kit is giving 20 HP. You are lucky to get 5 HP without changing the MAS. I have seen the dyno results of the new Demolet kit and don't see how replacing the rubber tube after the MAS with a plastic pipe alone will add that much HP over their other CAI's. Its not mechanically possible. The kit is just like the MAC kit now, but plastic, and MAC only claims up to 5 HP. I'd like to see an independant, objective dyno test first before I would trust thier claims. CAI's are mostly eye candy attached to a K&N filter. Tests have proven the only part of the kit that improves HP is the K&N. The other stuff is just for looks.

GodStang - I have to disagree with you regarding a 99 or newer 3.8 beating an older GT. Yes, any car will lose HP after a great deal of wear, but the GT will still win. The GT has a ton of torque that a stock 3.8 can not touch. Usually a V-8 with the same HP numbers will still smoke a V-6 on torque alone. Any dragger will tell you it is torque that gets you off the line. I'd put my money on the GT.

one it depends on the bran of CAI u get mac claim u get up to 20 hp more cause if u get 3 or 5 more hp thats probably the K&N filter since thats what comes with it and since the cold air intake basically brings the air straight to the engine cause most people take off the silencer and another thing the older gts a v-6 can too beat it depending what u put in the v-6 and u cannot say torque alone can beat a v-6 cause the new v-6 have 225 lbs of torque and the older gts have like 285 they do not have 302 in them like the new gts so in another words YES a new v-6 can beat a older GT by the way 225 hp is with the 98 gts 94-96 gts have 220 hp and another thing is that anyone can increase the torque on their cars but they have to replace the axle cause the axle they put on it wont stand the power so it will bend or break

GodStang · 08-26-2002, 04:07 PM

MM&FF ran a green 1999 V6 to a best of 14.96 @ I think 92 MPH. The 1994-1995 GT ran 15's and the 1996 ran 14.9-15.0 somewhere in there. That is all of them fresh off the factory line with less than 10,000 miles. As far as 1997-1998 I am not sure what they ran. MM&FF where making a huge deal about the V-6 beating the 302's and 1996 281. That is the only reason I said that.

As far as CAI they have been doing them in different magaizanes and unless you have a cool sticker to put on your car you will only get between 5-10hp. It is best to make your own CAI, than spend tons of money for one. Unless you like the looks of it.

If you would like to see any of the aritcles I will look for them and send them if you would like them just ask.

mustang2000 · 08-26-2002, 06:28 PM

thats cool i kinda knew that a new v-6 would even one get close to the older gts or something they dont have that much hp more then the new v-6 anyways i feel sorry for the guy that asked how much hp he wanted since we were arguing about the whole thing anyways doesnt a CAI also give u more torque i was reading the website for the new v-6 they were saying something not to extend the mas or something cause u would lose hp and torque i aint sure though

MustngMan2002 · 08-26-2002, 08:41 PM

So what do u guys think i sould get next i got wheels and tires i want some stuff to give me more HP i am thinking about getting NX wet kit nos but i don't want to mess something up. So u guys tell me what i sould get next

GodStang · 08-26-2002, 09:40 PM

I always thought that NOS would mess up v-6's but I think all the new kits out the engines handle them pretty well if you do not over abuse it. I think that NOS would be a good idea.

I HEARD that Nopi stickers give you like 300hp and you can run 8's in the 1/4. You might want some of them.

tireburner163 · 08-26-2002, 11:11 PM

mustang2000, I'm sorry I didn't catch this thread earlier because you are HUGELY misinformed about how much hp stuff like CAI and mufflers add. CAI is worth 1-3hp on a stock motor, and just a single in, single out flowmaster is worth maybe 1hp. Hell a whole cat-back is only worth about 5 or so hp. CAI is the biggest rip off of all mustang performace parts, it's just eye candy.

New V-6's are about on par with 96-98 GT's. A 94-95 should edge it out. A fox should kick it's *** pretty good.

mustang2000 · 08-26-2002, 11:15 PM

oh ok but it hought u get more hp if u were to take the silencer off and i thought u have to have the cold air intake to be able to take it off cause then the car would be getting hot air instead of cold or something if thats not true then heck maybe i should take my silencer off to gain more hp but not sure if that would ruin the warranty or not

tireburner163 · 08-26-2002, 11:36 PM

just yank the silencer....you don't need CAI to take it out. Stangs kinda have CAI from the factory, they draw air from inside the fender area.

mustang2000 · 08-26-2002, 11:38 PM

so what does the silencer do anyways and does it give me more hp just out of curiousity sorry if i am bothering u but thanks for helping

tireburner163 · 08-27-2002, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustang2000
so what does the silencer do anyways and does it give me more hp just out of curiousity sorry if i am bothering u but thanks for helping

I does just what it's name implies.....it quitens down the air coming into the ducting....it for those naby panby types who don't like there car to be loud.

GodStang · 08-27-2002, 11:24 AM

I would like to know how to join the ricer hater's club anyone know?

MustngMan2002 · 08-27-2002, 05:19 PM

Ya Godstang i am thinking about going with a prochager for my car if i put a prochager in there it will give me 345 stock

08-25-2002, 10:42 PM	#23
MustngMan2002 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston texas Posts: 7	GodStang Well u have a 94 V6 and i have a 2002 V6 so there is alot more on a 2002 then a 94 i know u have a H pipe but if i can beat 94 gts and I know i have around 224 or 230 HP and i went racing last night and i was power breaking it to get my rpms up and i couldn't stop spinning for chap on a stick. and oh yes i can get a 2nd gear. i have a Dense Charger cold air intake __________________ J Mac

08-25-2002, 10:49 PM	#25
MustngMan2002 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston texas Posts: 7	I really just want to know what i am running in the 1/4 b\c i am allways going to Galveston and racing at cherry hill and i raced a honda and whiped his butt in the long run he took me on start b\c i couldn't stop spinning and when i stoped spinning was after red line it shifted around 6000 RPMs and everyone said my font end came off the ground so i don't know if it did or not __________________ J Mac

08-26-2002, 11:23 AM	#27
GodStang College Stanger Join Date: May 1999 Location: Aiken,south carolina, usa Posts: 1,097	Also with the older GT's if they have more than 80,000 miles good chance they have dropped about 20hp due to ware and tear and timeing chain sagging. So good chance if you are racing a stock 1994-1998 GT and they have not kept up with it than they have about 200hp. Due to the less weight the 99-02 v-6's should smoke a 94-98 gt if both stock or near stock. Plus 99-02 have better gears which will also help them beat the GT. Keep beating people in your v-6s because we need respect too. __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue Cobra

08-26-2002, 01:29 PM	#28
99Pony3.8 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 44	OK, I have to set the record straight here. There is no way a CAI kit is giving 20 HP. You are lucky to get 5 HP without changing the MAS. I have seen the dyno results of the new Demolet kit and don't see how replacing the rubber tube after the MAS with a plastic pipe alone will add that much HP over their other CAI's. Its not mechanically possible. The kit is just like the MAC kit now, but plastic, and MAC only claims up to 5 HP. I'd like to see an independant, objective dyno test first before I would trust thier claims. CAI's are mostly eye candy attached to a K&N filter. Tests have proven the only part of the kit that improves HP is the K&N. The other stuff is just for looks. GodStang - I have to disagree with you regarding a 99 or newer 3.8 beating an older GT. Yes, any car will lose HP after a great deal of wear, but the GT will still win. The GT has a ton of torque that a stock 3.8 can not touch. Usually a V-8 with the same HP numbers will still smoke a V-6 on torque alone. Any dragger will tell you it is torque that gets you off the line. I'd put my money on the GT. __________________ 99 Mustang 3.8L, C&L mass-air system, GT dual exhust and rear bumper, Maximum Motorsports 4-point K frame brace, full length sub frame connectors and strut tower brace.

08-26-2002, 04:07 PM	#30
GodStang College Stanger Join Date: May 1999 Location: Aiken,south carolina, usa Posts: 1,097	MM&FF ran a green 1999 V6 to a best of 14.96 @ I think 92 MPH. The 1994-1995 GT ran 15's and the 1996 ran 14.9-15.0 somewhere in there. That is all of them fresh off the factory line with less than 10,000 miles. As far as 1997-1998 I am not sure what they ran. MM&FF where making a huge deal about the V-6 beating the 302's and 1996 281. That is the only reason I said that. As far as CAI they have been doing them in different magaizanes and unless you have a cool sticker to put on your car you will only get between 5-10hp. It is best to make your own CAI, than spend tons of money for one. Unless you like the looks of it. If you would like to see any of the aritcles I will look for them and send them if you would like them just ask. __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue Cobra

08-25-2002, 01:46 AM	#21
02slashstang Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 8	MustngMan2002, Depending on your brand of intake, you probably gained 5-7 HP from the CAI. You might want to think about getting duals. Now that your stang is breathing more balance it with some duals! Even y-pipe quasi duals are better than the single exhaust. Better yet, get a set of GT duals! Only drawback on the GT duals is the loss of low end torque, BUT you gain more on the high end. (above 2500RPM or so) Food for thought: There is a new CAI that is available for 99+ by Demolet. Its a full length CAI Densecharger... According to the link Ive listed..you get gains of 12.5 HP and 14.8 lbs of torque! Dynotested! http://www.stungbymystangmotorsports...argerdyno.html It was tested on a 99+ stock V6 mustang. Cheers!

08-25-2002, 01:55 AM	#22
02slashstang Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 8	well i am not exactly sure but with a cold air intake it is up to 20 more hp and flowmasters single exhaust maybe 10 to 15 more hp ================================ Also the flowmaster muffler alone is not going to give you 10 to 15 more HP over stock. I don't think they improve exhaust flow that much...maybe 2-3 HP if that. With duals you might gain 10HP depending on the brand...Do some research online and see what you can find out. GOOD LUCK! Cheers!

08-25-2002, 10:48 PM	#24
mustang2000 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: loveland Posts: 25	================================ Also the flowmaster muffler alone is not going to give you 10 to 15 more HP over stock. I don't think they improve exhaust flow that much...maybe 2-3 HP if that. With duals you might gain 10HP depending on the brand...Do some research online and see what you can find out. GOOD LUCK! Cheers! [/B][/QUOTE] well it depends but with duals u get up to 20 hp more and plus if they put in a bigger pipe for the exhaust can also increase hp cause its more that goes out and not less and ford mufflers are more restrictive then the flowmasters i put in a single exhaust with 2 and 1/4 exhaust with an aerochamer muffler and according to them they said they are alot better in performance then the single flowmasters and i noticed a big difference in hp and acceleration

08-25-2002, 10:57 PM	#26
mustang2000 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: loveland Posts: 25	u probably have 230 hp not sure cause the cold air intake can give u up to 20 hp i am not sure that is including the K&N air filter or not if its not the K&N air fillter can give u up to 15 more hp with increase with acceleration and faster response in throttle the single flows i am not sure if u got just muffler with the stock size pipes or got bigger ones but u might get up 10 to 15 more hp estimating anyways the older mustang gts dont have that much hp they only have 225 hp with 285 lbs of torque i think so which it wouldnt really suprise me with what u got that u would beat one

08-26-2002, 06:28 PM	#31
mustang2000 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: loveland Posts: 25	thats cool i kinda knew that a new v-6 would even one get close to the older gts or something they dont have that much hp more then the new v-6 anyways i feel sorry for the guy that asked how much hp he wanted since we were arguing about the whole thing anyways doesnt a CAI also give u more torque i was reading the website for the new v-6 they were saying something not to extend the mas or something cause u would lose hp and torque i aint sure though

08-26-2002, 08:41 PM	#32
MustngMan2002 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston texas Posts: 7	So what do u guys think i sould get next i got wheels and tires i want some stuff to give me more HP i am thinking about getting NX wet kit nos but i don't want to mess something up. So u guys tell me what i sould get next __________________ J Mac

08-26-2002, 09:40 PM	#33
GodStang College Stanger Join Date: May 1999 Location: Aiken,south carolina, usa Posts: 1,097	I always thought that NOS would mess up v-6's but I think all the new kits out the engines handle them pretty well if you do not over abuse it. I think that NOS would be a good idea. I HEARD that Nopi stickers give you like 300hp and you can run 8's in the 1/4. You might want some of them. __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue Cobra

08-26-2002, 11:11 PM	#34
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	mustang2000, I'm sorry I didn't catch this thread earlier because you are HUGELY misinformed about how much hp stuff like CAI and mufflers add. CAI is worth 1-3hp on a stock motor, and just a single in, single out flowmaster is worth maybe 1hp. Hell a whole cat-back is only worth about 5 or so hp. CAI is the biggest rip off of all mustang performace parts, it's just eye candy. New V-6's are about on par with 96-98 GT's. A 94-95 should edge it out. A fox should kick it's *** pretty good. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

08-26-2002, 11:15 PM	#35
mustang2000 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: loveland Posts: 25	oh ok but it hought u get more hp if u were to take the silencer off and i thought u have to have the cold air intake to be able to take it off cause then the car would be getting hot air instead of cold or something if thats not true then heck maybe i should take my silencer off to gain more hp but not sure if that would ruin the warranty or not

08-26-2002, 11:36 PM	#36
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	just yank the silencer....you don't need CAI to take it out. Stangs kinda have CAI from the factory, they draw air from inside the fender area. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

08-26-2002, 11:38 PM	#37
mustang2000 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: loveland Posts: 25	so what does the silencer do anyways and does it give me more hp just out of curiousity sorry if i am bothering u but thanks for helping

08-27-2002, 11:24 AM	#39
GodStang College Stanger Join Date: May 1999 Location: Aiken,south carolina, usa Posts: 1,097	I would like to know how to join the ricer hater's club anyone know? __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue Cobra

08-27-2002, 05:19 PM	#40
MustngMan2002 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Houston texas Posts: 7	Ya Godstang i am thinking about going with a prochager for my car if i put a prochager in there it will give me 345 stock __________________ J Mac

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